fredmiranda.com
Login

Moderated by: Fred Miranda
  New fredmiranda.com Mobile Site
  New Feature: SMS Notification alert
  New Feature: Buy & Sell Watchlist
  

FM Forums | Canon Forum | Join Upload & Sell

       2       end
  

Archive 2012 · 5D3 VS 1DS3 Hands-On Comparison

  
 
Sneakyracer
Offline
• • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #1 · 5D3 VS 1DS3 Hands-On Comparison


Hi, I just got my 5D mark III yesterday. I am currently shooting with a 1Ds mark III which I have had for about 4 years.

First thoughts with the cameras in hand.

Wow, the 5D3 is a HUGE improvement over the 5Dc (which I had for many years) and the 5D2 (which I have used a few times) in build quality and feel. It really feels like a small 1 series. The plastic has a matte, more rough finish that is quite slip resistant and the rubber also has a higher quality feel that is grippy. The CF compartment door is much more solid and feels more secure (and has some sealing). All buttons and controls feel better, specially the rear control wheel since it has more damping. The view finder is basically just like the one in my 1DS3, nice!

I still prefer how the 1DS3 feels in my hand since the grip gets to the bottom of my palm and the one on the 5D3 ends at a point above and the corner of the camera pushes against it. The 5D3 also feels chunkier.

The Shutter:

Snapping a few images I noticed that the shutter on the 5D3 sounds clankier and sounds like more moving parts, the 1DS3 shutter sounds more authoritative, smoother but solid, nice. BUT, the Silent mode on the 5D3 is AMAZING, super quiet and smooth, much quieter than the Silent mode on the 1DS3, WOW. It is a huge difference. Some of you might not care BUT I shoot a lot in film and comercial production sets, so its a big plus.

AF performance:

I took out my 50mm1.4 and 35mm1.4L and used both lenses on both cameras in EV light levels of about 3-6 (most common indoor situations). WOW, the 5D3 AF was faster to acquire focus (not a huge difference) and more authoritative and hit perfect focus with both lenses even though I did not do any microadjustment. Overall I felt without a doubt that the AF in the 5D3 is better. Wow, on a 5D? Really? Yes it is. The lower light there is, the bigger the difference from previous Canons. amazing.

LCD screen:

The 5D3 screen is great, bright and very sharp. The one in the 1DS3 is not bad but I welcome the extra resolution and brightness, color seems smoother also. The 5D3 however produced some aliasing when using live view in high magnification (10x, for manual focusing) but I was able to critically focus the image perfectly and easily. Also, at it has been said, the wider aspect ratio of the screen on the 5D3 allows the images to fill it completely.

Image quality:

I will post images later but I put my 70-200 on a tripod and took images at iso 50-100-200-400-800-1600-3200 on the 1DS3 and at iso 50-25600 on the 5D3 (with all High iso noise reduction, lon-exp noise red., highlight tone priority etc, turned off on both cameras). I shot both JPG and RAW, on standard (default) picture profile and preset tungsten white balance. I used a single lowel totta light at about 3ft from a white tabletop ciclorama and 2 books and a dust-off bottle as subjects. (Exposure value (EV) of 8 at point of focus)

General observations of the JPGs. The 1DS3 is still VERY good. Usable for critical work up to ISO 3200 in those light levels (barely), at lower light levels than EV8 then id say 1600 is the max. The 5D3 JPGs were a tad smoother but usable critically up to iso 6400. BUT, the preset white balance on the 5D3 seemed more accurate and color was better overall even at high ISOs. The noise looked more monocromatic on the 5D3. Overall the 5D3 wins in high ISOs but the 1DS3 holds its own at 1600 and below and at low ISO (50-200) I see no reason to upgrade other than the improved white balance. General impression is that the 5D3 has more color depth / dynamic range at ISOs of 1600 and above. It is a very noticeable difference. At least with tungsten light and light levels of EV8 and below (which is the most commonly encountered type of light and light levels whenever one is most likely to use high ISO in the first place!, I find it useless to test high ISO outdoors in good light).

But, of course, the 5D3 keeps going up in ISO! I was amazed that 25600 is very usable. The 5D3 owns the night.

I do have to test the cameras with black or dark backgrounds to better see the noise and shadow detail.

To be continued...



May 19, 2012 at 12:24 PM
kaycephoto
Offline
• • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #2 · 5D3 VS 1DS3 Hands-On Comparison


good read & very useful feedback for 1Ds3 owners like myself (and many others likely reading this), thanks for taking the time to share your experiences..


May 19, 2012 at 01:52 PM
Langran
Offline
• • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #3 · 5D3 VS 1DS3 Hands-On Comparison


Thanks for this, good to get some feedback from someone who has both. Also I keep meaning to read Delirious New York, Koolhaas comes up so regularly on my course that I really should get round to it!


May 20, 2012 at 07:38 AM
Geofn
Offline
• • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #4 · 5D3 VS 1DS3 Hands-On Comparison


kaycephoto wrote:
good read & very useful feedback for 1Ds3 owners like myself (and many others likely reading this), thanks for taking the time to share your experiences..


+1 Thanks for posting this!



May 20, 2012 at 07:43 AM
jcolwell
Offline
• • • • • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.1 #5 · 5D3 VS 1DS3 Hands-On Comparison


Yes, thanks for sharing your experience. I'm waiting with great interest to hear your comments about IQ from RAW files, with minimal processing.


May 20, 2012 at 07:47 AM
Pixel Perfect
Offline
• • • • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #6 · 5D3 VS 1DS3 Hands-On Comparison


Well imagine how you feel when you see the 1D X is 5 stops better than the 1Ds III in jpg, ISO 3200 = ISO 100.



Nice write up and good to see the 5D III AF really is delivering across the board.



May 20, 2012 at 06:50 PM
Sneakyracer
Offline
• • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #7 · 5D3 VS 1DS3 Hands-On Comparison


Hi!

I just finished a long 14 hour day on a TV commercial set.

I took both the 5D3 and the 1DS3.

I mostly used the 70-200mm f2.8L IS I lens. I did try the 50mm1.4 and the 35mmL.

I shot outside, with HMI lights giving a nice edge, and inside with mixed lighting (HMI, and Kino-Flos with both daylight and tungsten tubes). The lighting intensity varied greatly. I did have to shoot in EV5 conditions (the film production was using an ARRi ALEXA at iso 800).

Again, the 5D3 had to MAJOR pluses! The silent shutter was a godsend (even though no direct sound was being recorded on set it was quiet inside and I was next to the DP and the DIrector), the 5D3 AF, WOW. The hit rate was perfect pretty much. I mostly used center point only but switched a few times to outside points. In one interior the conditions were terrible. Low light, very contrasty side light and the space was filled with smoke from the smoke machine which reduces contrast. The AF worked great.

I think its the first time EVER that has happened to me with a Canon Camera in 9 years of shooting digital.




May 20, 2012 at 08:08 PM
Mike Mohrmann
Offline
• • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #8 · 5D3 VS 1DS3 Hands-On Comparison


Sneakyracer wrote:
Again, the 5D3 had to MAJOR pluses! The silent shutter was a godsend (even though no direct sound was being recorded on set it was quiet inside and I was next to the DP and the DIrector) ...


Really that quiet? I was thinking this would be useful when shooting candids, although I have to wonder if slowing down the shutter response to make it "silent" could cause one to lose some candid moments (likely the same for other DSLRs with a "silent" shutter option).



May 20, 2012 at 09:18 PM
Sneakyracer
Offline
• • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #9 · 5D3 VS 1DS3 Hands-On Comparison


Mike Mohrmann wrote:
Really that quiet? I was thinking this would be useful when shooting candids, although I have to wonder if slowing down the shutter response to make it "silent" could cause one to lose some candid moments (likely the same for other DSLRs with a "silent" shutter option).


Its amazingly quiet. I could not believe it. Also, it has a single shot S AND a continuous drive S setting. On the 1DS3 its single shot only. Its very responsive too. Its the quietest DSLR shutter I have heard, ever.




May 20, 2012 at 09:33 PM
Daan B
Offline
• • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #10 · 5D3 VS 1DS3 Hands-On Comparison


How about DR in RAW? And how about shadow noise/banding in RAW?




May 21, 2012 at 04:36 AM
RobertLynn
Offline
• • • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #11 · 5D3 VS 1DS3 Hands-On Comparison


If I could just give up fps and metering from af point.


May 21, 2012 at 08:10 AM
campyone
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #12 · 5D3 VS 1DS3 Hands-On Comparison


Pixel Perfect wrote:
Well imagine how you feel when you see the 1D X is 5 stops better than the 1Ds III in jpg, ISO 3200 = ISO 100.



Nice write up and good to see the 5D III AF really is delivering across the board.


And imagine how you feel when you see the 1Dx costs $10,000. : - )



May 21, 2012 at 08:45 AM
Sneakyracer
Offline
• • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #13 · 5D3 VS 1DS3 Hands-On Comparison


Hi, I had another long day today on set. What I have been doing is shooting JPG (L) + RAW.

I have to say the JPGs are pretty amazing straight out of the camera (every off in-camera and default settings, standard picture profile). I have been shooting RAW only forever it seems. The JPGs are definitely an alternative with the 5D3 even for serious use. The lens corrections in-camera work wonders. This might save some folks a LOT of work.

I have some images today that are PERFECT for shadow and highlight recovery! I might be able to post some soon.



May 21, 2012 at 05:34 PM
Sneakyracer
Offline
• • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #14 · 5D3 VS 1DS3 Hands-On Comparison


Highlight recovery however is Amazing. Guess one cant have it all


May 21, 2012 at 06:24 PM
garyvot
Offline
• • • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.1 #15 · 5D3 VS 1DS3 Hands-On Comparison


Sneakyracer wrote:
(ISO 200, Highlight tone priority on, the shot was vertical so the noise patterns go up and down the sensor) ((


Sneakyracer, FYI: you should never enable Highlight Tone Priority if you want to minimize banding and shadow noise. (Of course, perhaps you turned it on here intentionally to *try* to see banding?)

HTP results in a one-stop underexposure at the time of capture; it's not just an alternative tone curve; it effects the RAW data and is irreversible.

This "feature" is the single biggest contributor to the Canon "shadow noise and banding" controversy.

As a RAW shooter I have yet to find a situation where HTP made a significant difference in highlight recoverability (using my normal exposure practice); howver, I've seen MANY situations where it has caused significant increased noise and banding in the shadows.

I avoid it like the plague.



May 21, 2012 at 07:02 PM
cputeq
Offline
• • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #16 · 5D3 VS 1DS3 Hands-On Comparison


*sigh* Posters like you aren't making it any easier to switch back over to Canon on the cheap.

Here I am, almost content to go with a 5Dc and 24-105 as a "reintro" if you will, and now you've got me thinking to just screw it and go for broke (literally) with the 5D3 instead. I'm pretty sure my wife will kill me. Hrm....do I value AF performance and noise over my life? Tough choice!



May 21, 2012 at 07:15 PM
jcolwell
Offline
• • • • • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.1 #17 · 5D3 VS 1DS3 Hands-On Comparison


cputeq wrote:
... I'm pretty sure my wife will kill me. Hrm....


Perhaps you could will your gear to a FM foundation for providing gear to schools of photography.

P.S. Fred - do you have a foundation for providing gear to schools of photography?




May 21, 2012 at 07:19 PM
cputeq
Offline
• • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #18 · 5D3 VS 1DS3 Hands-On Comparison


^ much better than the earlier banding shot, not bad at all considering the circumstances.
edit - Whoops, page 2.

<-- Much better than the earlier banding shot, not bad at all considering the circumstances.





May 21, 2012 at 07:39 PM
Sneakyracer
Offline
• • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #19 · 5D3 VS 1DS3 Hands-On Comparison


cputeq wrote:
^ much better than the earlier banding shot, not bad at all considering the circumstances.
edit - Whoops, page 2.

<-- Much better than the earlier banding shot, not bad at all considering the circumstances.




yeah, it definitely has to do with the HTP "feature". I mean, I am going to do more testing. But it seems pretty obvious.

The 5D3 has been awesome in very tough lighting conditions. I still have 2 more days to go in this production. When im done il have a pretty good idea of the capabilities (and limitations) of the 5D3. But so far its a lot like my 1DS3 but better at high ISO. The AF is better I think, so far!

It obviously shoots video! (dont really need that feature)



May 21, 2012 at 08:28 PM
mttran
Offline
• • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #20 · 5D3 VS 1DS3 Hands-On Comparison


Sneakyracer wrote:
yeah, it definitely has to do with the HTP "feature". I mean, I am going to do more testing. But it seems pretty obvious.

The 5D3 has been awesome in very tough lighting conditions. I still have 2 more days to go in this production. When im done il have a pretty good idea of the capabilities (and limitations) of the 5D3. But so far its a lot like my 1DS3 but better at high ISO. The AF is better I think, so far!

It obviously shoots video! (dont really need that feature)


It's a canon shame while camera has FTP fancy feature that can not be used by any means... Well, this is just a small part of the house of shame since most latest canon sensor can't be under-exposed. To validate 5D3/1Ds3 sensor noise performance, try both at 8 stops or wider DR scenes. Otherwise, flat light shot comparison does not mean much at all...seriously. My 1ds2 blow my 5d2 by a mile while doing these DR low iso test, both still can't compete to sony/nikon sensor though...

Edited on May 21, 2012 at 11:37 PM · View previous versions



May 21, 2012 at 10:48 PM
       2       end




FM Forums | Canon Forum | Join Upload & Sell

       2       end
    
 

Welcome back
Log in to your account