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p.3 #1 · Leica X2


According to first impressions




'Our initial impressions are that the X2 feels improved in a couple of key areas. Autofocus is rather faster, especially in low light, and while it may not match the very fastest around it should be fast enough for most purposes. The top-plate dials have also been improved, with more-positive click stops. The clean lines of the original are slightly spoiled by the top-plate 'hump' to accomodate the EVF port, but that plug-in 'Visoflex' viewfinder shoould make the camera far more useable in bright light.'
May 10, 2012 at 07:41 PM
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p.3 #2 · Leica X2


super yawn camera
May 10, 2012 at 07:55 PM
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p.3 #3 · Leica X2


Ming Thein did a nice review of the X2 camera here:

http://blog.mingthein.com/
May 10, 2012 at 09:01 PM
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p.3 #4 · Leica X2


That guys does fantastic watch photography.

Interesting to note he feels the build quality improved so much. As someone who is intimately familiar with fine watches, that seems to be a good sign.
May 10, 2012 at 09:06 PM
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p.3 #5 · Leica X2


FlyPenFly wrote:
That guys does fantastic watch photography.

Interesting to note he feels the build quality improved so much. As someone who is intimately familiar with fine watches, that seems to be a good sign.

Yeah, I thought of you and your watch photography when I saw his recent swiss watch gallery display event which he shot with a Leica M9.
May 10, 2012 at 09:17 PM
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p.3 #6 · Leica X2


wayne seltzer wrote:
Ming Thein did a nice review of the X2 camera here:

http://blog.mingthein.com/


Quote:

"I did an experiment with the EVF out of curiosity – the plug looked like any one of the existing EVF plugs. Expecting it to fit my D-Lux 5 Titanium, I was surprised when it didn’t; but it did fit my Olympus OM-D and Pen Mini. Even more interestingly, it worked! Draw whatever conclusion you wish; it’s a very nice EVF all the same, and my preferred way of working with the camera. Oh, and it tilts, too, and locks securely in the down position (something not all tiltable EVFs seem to manage.)"

"you have to wait while the camera writes the files – it doesn’t seem to buffer in parallel. This is true whether you shoot one or eight frames."

Argh, sounds like the GXR. I can't stand that aspect..

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May 10, 2012 at 09:29 PM
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p.3 #7 · Leica X2


His review makes it sound like a big winner.

With the Sony alpha ff coming out soon and the D600 out soon too, it's going to be a tough year in purchase. I might have to sell a watch...
May 10, 2012 at 09:30 PM
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p.3 #8 · Leica X2


Yeah, and M10 for Photokina.

He implies it's the same sensor as in the NEX-5N. This would be encouraging... also considering how well that sensor worked with many M mount lenses. Pull the AA filter and top with a thinner IR cut filter and it could be promising as the sensor an interchangeable lens X camera version...
May 10, 2012 at 09:35 PM
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p.3 #9 · Leica X2


Size wise, this is probably the smallest APS-c camera with a AF lens attached.

http://leicarumors.com/2011/05/12/fuji-x100-vs-leica-x1-comparison-review.aspx/



God all that writing looks horrible.
May 10, 2012 at 09:49 PM
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p.3 #10 · Leica X2


rscheffler wrote:
Yeah, and M10 for Photokina.

He implies it's the same sensor as in the NEX-5N. This would be encouraging... also considering how well that sensor worked with many M mount lenses. Pull the AA filter and top with a thinner IR cut filter and it could be promising as the sensor an interchangeable lens X camera version...


Ron any innovative company would do it.
But we are talking Leica, they invite people to Berlin to show them
a hermes edition of an old camera...


May 10, 2012 at 09:58 PM
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p.3 #11 · Leica X2


FlyPenFly wrote:
Size wise, this is probably the smallest APS-c camera with a AF lens attached.

http://leicarumors.com/2011/05/12/fuji-x100-vs-leica-x1-comparison-review.aspx/

http://leicarumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/fuji-x100-vs-leica-x1-camera.png







I think you really need to see just how ungainly and huge the X2 looks with the big honking EVF attached to the top. That's the only way it can really be compared to the size of the X100 unless you only intend to use the lcd screen.
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2012/05/leicax207eng.jpg
May 10, 2012 at 11:25 PM
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p.3 #12 · Leica X2


I think i'll keep my X100. Viewfinders alone make more sense. Faster lense also key.
May 11, 2012 at 12:36 AM
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p.3 #13 · Leica X2


Yeah but the evf comes off so you can use it or not.
May 11, 2012 at 01:24 AM
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p.3 #14 · Leica X2


millsart wrote:

I think it would certainly bit a bit bigger, but, like Fuji showed with the X100, if you design the lens into the camera body, you can reduce the overall size a bit.

I doubt many people are buying the X2 specifically because it can fit into a pocket, rather because its a Leica. If you want a pocketable Leica they have the V series, aka Panasonics at a 50% markup.


the size is probably the best thing the x2/1 has going for it and my biggest complaint about the fuji x100 (and xp1). it really is tiny and more pocketable. the lenses on both cameras seem extremely good and they both have super obnoxious interface issues that would drive me crazy.

why would anybody looking at this camera consider the leica panny knockoffs as an alternative? totally different cameras. i'd love it if panasonic offered a cheaper version of this though.
May 11, 2012 at 02:10 AM
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p.3 #15 · Leica X2


I tried the Leica X1, and I am with Luka here. When I could get it to produce a good picture, it was very good indeed. Certainly in a class with NEX 5N and top glass. Problem is, since then, many competitors have invaded this once empty space, and are making rapid strides .
My brother just commented that the sales price of the X2 just got him his 5N pluss Contax G 28, 35, 35, 90 and Leica R 60mm Makro.... The Elmarit is a great lens not doubt, but his lenses are not exactly bad, and he has 5....
And, of course, the 230K display is just plain stupid. It is because German firms are so good at electronics (Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Bosch, Continental, Cassidian, etc...) that Leica can only hire the leftovers....:-))))
I was also sort of sad to see them offer 5 new S lenses, rather than use their R&D on a system with more potential...
May 11, 2012 at 02:33 AM
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p.3 #16 · Leica X2


IF someone wanted a pocketable camera, yet, still needed a red dot on it to feel its worth carrying, then the V-Lux series has its fans I'm sure.

I personally would never buy a V-Lux, but I have owned a couple of the Panasonic ZS travel zooms and they are decent cameras, easy to pocket and take a decent picture in the realm of sub $300 P&S

The X1, while small, I just didn't find pocketable. It can go in a coat pocket, or some baggier cargo shorts could hold it, but in the 3 months or so I owned one, it was never an always with me camera. It just isn't going to fit into your jeans pocket etc

Frankly I don't think any mirrorless cameras are true pocket cameras for daily carry.

NEX even with a 16mm is hardly something I'd always want to walk around with. Heck, even some compacts like my Panny LX5 are far from comfortable in a pair of jeans.

Canon S100, Panny ZS15 (Or V-Lux), etc are camera's that one could actually always carry, or more so, would reasonably want to carry.

Theres a different between getting something a pocket and actually wanting have it there.

I can take my NEX7 and take the lens off, be it the Sigma 30, or the 50 1.8 etc and technically fit the lens into one jeans pocket and the camera body into the other pocket. Works for jeans, jackets, kahki's, even suit pants.

Does that make the NEX7 a pocketable camera ? I don't think so because its not that comfortable, it hinders my ability to carry cell phone, car keys etc, and most of all, I don't want to have to put a lens onto a camera body everytime I want to take a shot, and then unmount it again to put it in back.

Thats not what I call pocketable, and the X1, nor the X2 isn't either, at least in my time actually owning one, which it seems few here have done
May 11, 2012 at 02:39 AM
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p.3 #17 · Leica X2


I'm not sure if anyone said they're going to pocket this camera literally. I certainly wouldn't. Even a slim tx5 is too noticeable for me. The size advantage is for how does it fit in a small iPad or MacBook air bag or how does it feel to carry around all day if you're going somewhere.
May 11, 2012 at 02:47 AM
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p.3 #18 · Leica X2


philber wrote:
And, of course, the 230K display is just plain stupid. It is because German firms are so good at electronics (Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Bosch, Continental, Cassidian, etc...) that Leica can only hire the leftovers....:-))))
I was also sort of sad to see them offer 5 new S lenses, rather than use their R&D on a system with more potential...

Agreed about the display. They really need to source some high-resolution displays.

The 5 S lenses are just central shutter versions of the existing 5 lenses. Little R&D went into that, apart from the shutter.
May 11, 2012 at 03:55 AM
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p.3 #19 · Leica X2


I owned the X1 the last few months. I wanted to try it myself and most that has been said is true.
The screen is terrible and the buttons feel flimsy IMO. Not really acceptable for a camera at this price.
The only good things I can say about it is that the IQ is really nice and it fits my jacket pocket. The elmarit is great.

Looks like the X2 is more or less in the same boat. Disappointing.


May 11, 2012 at 04:50 AM
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p.3 #20 · Leica X2


snowboarder wrote:
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Can someone design a great FF mirrorless camera to work with M lenses? Please.
Because there's no hope those Leica morons will ever do that.
Amazing lenses and crappy cameras.

+1. And all my other old, but well loved glass.
May 11, 2012 at 06:59 AM
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