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p.39 #1 · Olympus OM-D EM-5


millsart wrote:
Seems your trying to make the camera into something it isnt, that it wasn't ever designed to be, and that those who have such needs never even asked for.


OTOH, it would be trivial to add the support; likely only an accidental omission left it out anyway (different programmer handling the movie shooting mode and not being aware of the manual lens focal length hack; something so simple as that).

It's been my general observation that Olympus is reluctant to fix anything other than overt bugs in firmware, so this issue would be borderline. However, a well organized campaign did eventually convince them to add legacy IS support to the E-510. If Edgar can make enough noise to get his concerns recognized then more power to him.



Jun 13, 2012 at 11:48 PM
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p.39 #2 · Olympus OM-D EM-5


Thx... Don't forget to ask Olympus directly, for Video-IBIS to work with adapted non-native lenses, here:

https://support.olympus.co.jp/cf_secure/en/contact/index.cfm?consumer=ProDigitalSLR



Jun 14, 2012 at 02:04 AM
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p.39 #3 · Olympus OM-D EM-5


Edgar Maguyon wrote:
It's a trade off.... GH2 = mega IQ with the hacks, but without IBIS and only nice when on tripods and rigs... OMD = awesome for handheld shooting, amateur, run and gun, hobbyist.

...one answer to all = the awesome IBIS is what makes the OMD, an OMD. GH2 hacked has IQ. OMD has IBIS. Might as well exploit OMD's Best feature to it's greatest capabilities and compatibility, is what I'm trying to say.


If video is your thing, the GH2 is still a better option - either stock or hacked. Unhacked GH2 video is still superior to what the EM5 outputs and the stock GH2 lens has OIS and silent focusing for video, along with a number of other Panasonic lenses. It also has a mic input which is huge for video since on-camera audio recording is so dreadful. The stock GH2 outputs 1080/24p and 30p at higher bitrates than the EM5. What makes the GH2 video so good is how the information is taken off the sensor, it doesn't do the line skipping thing that most DSLR's do, resulting in less moire, aliasing and false detail.

I'd like to see legacy glass IBIS support as well, but I would rather see focus peaking make its way to the EM5. Its the one feature that's keeping me from selling my Nex7 and adding more m43 glass to my EM5 kit. If a small company like SmallHD can have focus peaking built into its monitors that works with any camera - surely Olympus can make it work in its cameras.



Jun 14, 2012 at 07:49 AM
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p.39 #4 · Olympus OM-D EM-5


In manual mode, I am trying to use manual flash with a high aperture, base iso, and F8. The screen goes totally dark because it's trying to show me exposure preview.

How do I set it so that it doesn't show me exposure preview?

edit: You have to turn on live view boost mode.



Jun 14, 2012 at 08:30 AM
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p.39 #5 · Olympus OM-D EM-5


There's a setting in the menu somewhere. Can't remember off hand (the one major downside to the massive customizability of this camera is that things are easy to lose in the menus.) I've thought about moving that setting to a MySet preset so that I can easily turn it on and off...maybe I'll do that.

Just found it. Gears -> D -> Live View Boost. (turn on). That option is on the second page of D. Do be aware that this will make it so that your EVF/LCD will no longer show you the estimated exposure live, so you'll have to base off the live histogram or the shadow/highlight warning (which, if you haven't turned on yet, is AWESOME...shows live highlight and shadow clipping in the viewfinder...do realize that when these are just clipped in the JPEG (when tone curve Auto is set), you still have some headroom in RAW. With Normal tone curve set, you'll have a LOT of headroom in RAW.)



Jun 14, 2012 at 09:20 AM
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p.39 #6 · Olympus OM-D EM-5


Hum. So I called around and one store has a dozen black e-m5 with 14-42 in stock; should i go that route or gamble on getting a silver body in another week (desired date for camera is June 27) ? I was kind of hoping for body only so the extra $100 for the 14-42 is not a big deal and it woudl allow me to pick up the 40-150 for $100 ($100 if you buy with a kit; else $200).


Jun 14, 2012 at 10:48 AM
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p.39 #7 · Olympus OM-D EM-5


Nobody can answer this question but you. I was tossed between the elegant black body and the more retro look of the silver body but I eventually opted for the latter. My only concern is that if I get my camera and invoice after end June will I still qualify for the mail-rebate and $99 promo offer on the 40-150 lens?

you2 wrote:
Hum. So I called around and one store has a dozen black e-m5 with 14-42 in stock; should i go that route or gamble on getting a silver body in another week (desired date for camera is June 27) ? I was kind of hoping for body only so the extra $100 for the 14-42 is not a big deal and it woudl allow me to pick up the 40-150 for $100 ($100 if you buy with a kit; else $200).




Jun 14, 2012 at 11:00 AM
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p.39 #8 · Olympus OM-D EM-5


Depends what lens will be glued to the body more. The silver body goes with more lenses. Black lenses look much nicer on the silver body than silver lenses look on the black body.

I'm going to do my NEX-7 and C3 vs E-M5 tests this weekend and if the E-M5 comes within 10% of the dynamic range and resolved detail, I may get an additional black body and sell the C3.

My initial impression though is that the build quality isn't quite as spectacular as other people have been writing. I love that it's weather sealed but it doesn't feel quite as well put together as the NEX-7 but that might be a density issue? Also the OM-2n really raised the bar for me on how a camera should feel.



Jun 14, 2012 at 11:04 AM
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p.39 #9 · Olympus OM-D EM-5


I think its all relative to what you otherwise compare it to. For example, if you upgraded from a cheaper m4/3 body, say a EPL1, which personally I found to be one of the cheapest plastic feeling bodies I've ever used, then yes, the EM-5 is a tank.

If on the other hand, your using to shooting high end, rugged magnesium bodied cameras, the EM-5 isn't anything special.

I remember reading some reviews talking about how good the dials feel. I personally think the EM-5 dials click and feel pretty cheap and plasticy. I have no doubts they will hold up just fine, but they hardly give me the feeling of turning a precision made instrument either with just the right amount of weight behind it yet still fluid movement.

All and all it just depends on what other experiences you've got to draw from.

FlyPenFly wrote:
Depends what lens will be glued to the body more. The silver body goes with more lenses. Black lenses look much nicer on the silver body than silver lenses look on the black body.

I'm going to do my NEX-7 and C3 vs E-M5 tests this weekend and if the E-M5 comes within 10% of the dynamic range and resolved detail, I may get an additional black body and sell the C3.

My initial impression though is that the build quality isn't quite as spectacular as other people have been writing. I love that it's weather sealed but it doesn't feel quite
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Jun 14, 2012 at 12:06 PM
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p.39 #10 · Olympus OM-D EM-5


Personally I've found Sony electronics extremely well put together and designed. Something they're just good at.

Between all the stupid electronics I own from Panasonic, Sony, Olympus, Samsung, etc I have the most faith in my Sony gear. I once dropped my running PS3 about 6 feet on a hardwood floor and it still works perfectly fine even a year later. I've also done this with other Sony gear I owned and its the one thing that keeps me coming back to them despite their many shortcomings.

When you look at the blogs that do the documented disassembles, you always see Sony gear being just well designed internally and having that extra level of safety. Probably not a coincidence that Jobs copied that ethos from Sony when he visited their factories early in his career.



Jun 14, 2012 at 12:10 PM
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p.39 #11 · Olympus OM-D EM-5


Here is the newest answer/email someone else got:

"Thank you for your E-mail regarding IBIS.
We are sorry to inform you that we are unable to guarantee the
operation with non-native adapted lenses in exception of genuine
products.
However, we are constantly making efforts to improve our products.
We are always grateful for customers' opinion.
Thank you.
Best regard,
T.Katagiri
Customer Support Center
OLYMPUS IMAGING CORP. Tokyo, Japan"

USA and Japan emailed me as well a few weeks ago, but didn't deny or say they weren't going to fix the IBIS-Video-w-Adapted-Lenses like the aforesaid message..they just wrote me the above, but only the 3rd sentence, "we are constantly making efforts to improve our products. We are always grateful for customers' opinion."... I guess we have our answer

What a let down.

The biggest and most special feature of the OMD is IBIS. Without it, there are many better options for video with more features - GH1/2/3, Nex, etc.. the OMD doesn't have variable frame rates nor high bitrates for video...but it Does have IBIS; something the other cameras don't have. That's what sets it apart (IBIS) and that's what will make up for its' shortcomings (24p, higher bitrate) compared to the other cameras that do have 24p and higher bitrate. Olympus should really be exploiting the OMD's best and most unique feature, IBIS, instead of dumbing it down.

Dangit... I guess I will be forced to buy the modern AF lenses, which is a major drawback for video work. Real MF focus rings are so much better for video work. I also use double focus anamorphic-lenses, which likes real MF focus, and not clutch/electronic MF focus of the modern AF lenses. Also, i guess all my timelapses will be full of flickering now, since my kit will be full of modern lenses now with electronic Ap blades that close and open after every shot, unlike an MF lens whose Ap blades just stay still and don't move per shot. My work will be slightly inferior; but I guess I can live with it and work with the modern, plastic, Overpriced, AF lenses.

Sucks really... cant use IBIS to its' full potential, with Video... can't use leica, old dslr and rf canon & nikon, pen-f, legacy, minolta, vintage Russian primes, old zeiss, contax lenses, and the list goes on and on. Just some examples of some really great lenses for the poor videographer..as they are much more inexpensive than modern af lenses, but still offer really great IQ, plentiful, the important real MF focus control and Not the icky clutch-focus of modern lenses, real manual Ap ring (which also can be modified for smooth Ap turning; something kinda needed since OMD locks exp while video shooting), etc., etc.

Edited on Jun 14, 2012 at 12:22 PM · View previous versions



Jun 14, 2012 at 12:18 PM
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p.39 #12 · Olympus OM-D EM-5


I don't get why someone cares about this so much.

I'm extremely upset my iPhone doesn't make ice cream. No matter how much i email Apple, they keep replying that they can't guarantee it in a future iPhone X.



Jun 14, 2012 at 12:20 PM
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p.39 #13 · Olympus OM-D EM-5


lol... I love IBIS + video, (more than higher bitrates and 24p).. that's why

I like ice cream too... but I know that the OMD cannot make ice cream. It already has IBIS in it..why not make it fully work with all lenses, no?

Edited on Jun 14, 2012 at 12:29 PM · View previous versions



Jun 14, 2012 at 12:24 PM
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p.39 #14 · Olympus OM-D EM-5


Edgar, geez, give it a rest already. We get it.

BTW, you can shoot video in manual mode on the E-M5...so the aperture blades will stay right where you put them. You CAN use all those lenses, you just won't get IBIS with them....sure, it'd be nice, but how is it any different than with ANY OTHER CAMERA out there?



Jun 14, 2012 at 12:24 PM
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p.39 #15 · Olympus OM-D EM-5


Because any other camera doesn't have IBIS.

And timelapses are stills... the Ap blades on modern lenses close and open for each shot. Yes, I can use an adapted lens, but it's expensive, more heavy and more of a pain to have both native and non-native lenses in your kit..to switch, to have both native and adapted lenses in your kit for both timelapses/stils and others/modern-native for video-IBIS..as compared to having 1 or 2 lenses that can do it all



Jun 14, 2012 at 12:27 PM
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p.39 #16 · Olympus OM-D EM-5


Edgar, have you actually tried using native AF lens for video work even ??

I personally found using the touch screen, on my GH2 at least, to do focus pulls works far better than MF lenses anyways.

Why muck about with a geared rig etc when it can be as simple as having one spot in focus and then simply touching what you want to shift focus to ? Camera smoothly shifts focus right to that point in a smooth linear manner.

I think its surely the way of the future



Jun 14, 2012 at 12:31 PM
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p.39 #17 · Olympus OM-D EM-5


millsart wrote:
Edgar, have you actually tried using native AF lens for video work even ??

I personally found using the touch screen, on my GH2 at least, to do focus pulls works far better than MF lenses anyways.

Why muck about with a geared rig etc when it can be as simple as having one spot in focus and then simply touching what you want to shift focus to ? Camera smoothly shifts focus right to that point in a smooth linear manner.

I think its surely the way of the future


Yes I have. But I use double-focus anamorphic lenses. So AF is totally a no go. I'd have to use the native lenses' clutch focus; which I guess I can settle on and it works..but real MF is always better. Also, its better to attach the Ana-lens on metal filter threads, and not the plastic threads of newer lenses.

The geared focus rig is only an extra example I gave where real MF focus is better. I do not use it. I had a few shoulder rigs before...but sold em and only do handheld nowadays for hobby, amateur videos.

But, oh well, no more Video-IBIS for adapted lenses. Time to give it a rest, and stop posting, hahaha. Take care guys



Jun 14, 2012 at 12:36 PM
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p.39 #18 · Olympus OM-D EM-5


Well I obviously prefer to have the silver body; but not sure there will be one avaialble between now and the 27th


bobbytan wrote:
Nobody can answer this question but you. I was tossed between the elegant black body and the more retro look of the silver body but I eventually opted for the latter. My only concern is that if I get my camera and invoice after end June will I still qualify for the mail-rebate and $99 promo offer on the 40-150 lens?





Jun 14, 2012 at 12:38 PM
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p.39 #19 · Olympus OM-D EM-5


you2 wrote:
Well I obviously prefer to have the silver body; but not sure there will be one avaialble between now and the 27th




I read that some people placed an order with Amazon for a silver one and to their surprise they got a shipping that same evening.

You could maybe claim a black one, keep in in the box and also try ordering a silver, if you don't get a ship notice in the next few days, cancel that order and open and enjoy the black camera.

I had the black originally and frankly didn't care for it. I didn't like the weird grip material and just found that the camera looked like any other nameless black plastic (even though its metal) Japanese camera of the past few decades, frankly, it looked like a Panasonic

They work the same and it really doesn't matter that much in the grand scheme of things, but if you like the silver, and have a chance to get one, might as well try since you'll be using the camera for a while I'm sure.



Jun 14, 2012 at 12:49 PM
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p.39 #20 · Olympus OM-D EM-5


Bit confused I thought both the black and silver had the exact same 'weird grip material"; are you saying there is a difference in teh grip material on the body itself ?


Jun 14, 2012 at 01:15 PM
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