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p.38 #1 · Olympus OM-D EM-5

Sorry google is not helping me but what is IBIS?

Thanks

Jun 13, 2012 at 06:15 PM

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p.38 #2 · Olympus OM-D EM-5

IBIS - In Body Image Stabilization - Move the sensor to stabilize the image

OIS - Optical Image Stabilization - Move an optical group in the lens to stabilize the image

Jun 13, 2012 at 06:34 PM

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p.38 #3 · Olympus OM-D EM-5

Edgar Maguyon wrote:
I think we are going to be forced to buy these modern, but crappy, clutch-focus, plastic, lightweight, flimsy, overpriced, expensive, native lenses, if we want Video-IBIS

Olympus = FAIL!!!

:/

Odd findings because from a majority of user feedback both from FM and places like mu-4/3 forums, the native lenses are increasingly being favored for the more compact size/weight, autofocus (yes most people like to have that) and most importantly of all, the best possible IQ.

The 45mm f1.8 for example is simply a sharper, better corrected lens with much less CA and a smoother overall bokeh than darn near any legacy 50's I've tried.

Unless one simply prefers to shoot with a heavier, adapter requiring, CA and fringe having, jittery bokeh producing, shot missing due to lack of AF having legacy lens just to be different and feel like more of a "real" photographer there really isn't much point in legacy glass for a majority of focal lengths covered by m4/3 other than 300mm+ where there are no good native superrelephoto options yet.

Sure it can be fun to play around with a few low cost adapters and the boxes of old MF legacy lens many of us have sitting around, but other than the fun of just messing around and seeing what you get, I just don't see the point in them.

I find it rather frustrating trying to ask my subject to hold still while I try to critically judge focus on a 10x magnified screen, especially when I know that my EM-5 can lock focus for me at the touch of a button and can do it accurately down to the eye I ask to be in focus.

I just don't think your going to find too many m4/3 users moaning that there are more and more optically excellent, lightweight, and by and by affordable native lenses coming out.

I personally would love to see more!

Jun 13, 2012 at 06:34 PM

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p.38 #4 · Olympus OM-D EM-5

If you are doing professional video work you shouldn't be doing it with an OM-D period, as video is not one of the OM-D's strong points.

Jman13 wrote:
Edgar, I get it...you want IBIS in video with adapted lenses. I think we all do, but you are harping on it like it is the most important thing for a system to do (is there any system with a decent video system that does this?) Considering the wide variety of great native lenses, it's something that I think most people can live with. Plus, if you're doing professional video work, you're probably using a tripod anyway, aren't you?

Jun 13, 2012 at 06:55 PM

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p.38 #5 · Olympus OM-D EM-5

+1

millsart wrote:
Sure it can be fun to play around with a few low cost adapters and the boxes of old MF legacy lens many of us have sitting around, but other than the fun of just messing around and seeing what you get, I just don't see the point in them.

I find it rather frustrating trying to ask my subject to hold still while I try to critically judge focus on a 10x magnified screen, especially when I know that my EM-5 can lock focus for me at the touch of a button and can do it accurately down to the...Show more →

Jun 13, 2012 at 06:59 PM

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p.38 #6 · Olympus OM-D EM-5

How many cross-type AF points are there in the OM-D? Pardon my ignorance but I am simply clueless as to how the EVF works, as I have never used one before.

Jun 13, 2012 at 07:02 PM

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p.38 #7 · Olympus OM-D EM-5

No such thing as a cross type AF point on a CDAF camera. The E-M5 has 35 selectable focus points, but you can increase that by using the magnification box (either via touch or the magnify button and the arrows), which will give you smaller points and much more (you can focus anywhere in the frame)

Jun 13, 2012 at 07:04 PM

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p.38 #8 · Olympus OM-D EM-5

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How many cross-type AF points are there in the OM-D? Pardon my ignorance but I am simply clueless as to how the EVF works, as I have never used one before.

EVF is just like looking at the LCD only its in a little window up to your eye and obviously doesn't have the ability to control it by touch.

Speaking of the touchscreen, I finally got around to activating the super control panel option and have to say it works quite nicely with the touch screen.

Just press a button to bring up a big grid of nearly all the shooting controls, use your finger to highlight what your after, say IS "on/off" or metering mode etc and spin the front control dial to move through the settings.

You can also use the direction pad to move the highlighted tab around but the touch screen is quite fast and accurate.

In fact, I'm finding I'm often trying to touch the LCD on some of my other cameras to do things like flip through photos lol

Jun 13, 2012 at 07:28 PM

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p.38 #9 · Olympus OM-D EM-5

bobbytan, both answers above are perfectly correct and not contradictory - its just that you asked about two quite different subjects sorta in the same breath, so to speak. Jman13 is addressing AF and millsart is addressing EVF. And Touchscreen came up because that is where you select a "custom" autofocus point. Hang in there - this camera has a degree of control and customization that leaves ol' timers like me gasping. Not that I can afford one yet, sadly. My G3 does share some of the control features, but not most of the customization options. Olympus has hit a home run on this one.

Jun 13, 2012 at 07:43 PM

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p.38 #10 · Olympus OM-D EM-5

bobbytan asked: "Is there an extender from Olympus or Panasonic? An m4/3 1.5x TC would be sweet."

No m43 TC is available that I know of. But Kenko has a m43 extension tube set (10mm and 16mm) for increasing magnification with any lens. Pricy, however - $179 just to add distance (air!) between the camera and lens, and connect the electronics. But could be an interesting way to get close focusing and (probably, depending on light fall-off) AF with the excellent normal-ish m43 primes.
BHPhoto has 'em: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/859014-REG/Kenko_AEXTUBEDGM43_Auto_Extension_Tube_Set.html

Jun 13, 2012 at 08:28 PM

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p.38 #11 · Olympus OM-D EM-5

For video work, focus pulls, or set up in a rig that has a focus-follower and gears, or double-focus-anamorphic lens: Real MF lens focusing > Clutch manual focusing (shouldn't matter if the OMD is pro or not for video work; should make it the best it can be and give it to us anyways..nor if no other body has this..that's the point - OMD is awesome because it could have IBIS for All lenses, unlike any other)

For flicker-free timelapse photography: Real Manual Ap ring > electronic Ap (Still-photography, not video, I know; but it'd be nice to have 1 system in your bag, either mf lenses or modern af..and MF is preferred for timelapes)

Jun 13, 2012 at 09:00 PM

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p.38 #12 · Olympus OM-D EM-5

Cool .... thanks!

Jman13 wrote:
No such thing as a cross type AF point on a CDAF camera. The E-M5 has 35 selectable focus points, but you can increase that by using the magnification box (either via touch or the magnify button and the arrows), which will give you smaller points and much more (you can focus anywhere in the frame)

Jun 13, 2012 at 09:06 PM

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p.38 #13 · Olympus OM-D EM-5

Jman13 wrote:
No such thing as a cross type AF point on a CDAF camera. The E-M5 has 35 selectable focus points, but you can increase that by using the magnification box (either via touch or the magnify button and the arrows), which will give you smaller points and much more (you can focus anywhere in the frame)

Is there a way to focus at the last 1/3 edges of the frame? For both AF and MF the bounding box seems limited to 2/3 of the frame from the center (in either the normal view or the 14x view).

Jun 13, 2012 at 09:09 PM

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p.38 #14 · Olympus OM-D EM-5

Thanks! How do you pick the focus point on the EVF? Is there a joy stick or something and how easy is it to move the focus box around the EVF?

millsart wrote:
EVF is just like looking at the LCD only its in a little window up to your eye and obviously doesn't have the ability to control it by touch.

Speaking of the touchscreen, I finally got around to activating the super control panel option and have to say it works quite nicely with the touch screen.

Just press a button to bring up a big grid of nearly all the shooting controls, use your finger to highlight what your after, say IS "on/off" or metering mode etc and spin the front control dial to move through the settings.

You can also use...Show more →

Jun 13, 2012 at 09:09 PM

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p.38 #15 · Olympus OM-D EM-5

Thanks for your 2 responses!

CalW wrote:
bobbytan asked: "Is there an extender from Olympus or Panasonic? An m4/3 1.5x TC would be sweet."

No m43 TC is available that I know of. But Kenko has a m43 extension tube set (10mm and 16mm) for increasing magnification with any lens. Pricy, however - $179 just to add distance (air!) between the camera and lens, and connect the electronics. But could be an interesting way to get close focusing and (probably, depending on light fall-off) AF with the excellent normal-ish m43 primes.
BHPhoto has 'em: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/859014-REG/Kenko_AEXTUBEDGM43_Auto_Extension_Tube_Set.html

Jun 13, 2012 at 09:11 PM

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p.38 #16 · Olympus OM-D EM-5

Edgar Maguyon wrote:
For video work, focus pulls, or set up in a rig that has a focus-follower and gears, or double-focus-anamorphic lens: Real MF lens focusing > Clutch manual focusing (shouldn't matter if the OMD is pro or not for video work; should make it the best it can be and give it to us anyways..nor if no other body has this..that's the point - OMD is awesome because it could have IBIS for All lenses, unlike any other)

For flicker-free timelapse photography: Real Manual Ap ring > electronic Ap (Still-photography, not video, I know; but it'd be nice to have 1...Show more →

I would imagine that anyone who's got things like a focus-follower rig isn't doing handheld shooting to where the IBIS would be useful anyways, nor did they buy an EM-5 to do it, nor was the EM-5 marketed to video professionals.

How likely is it that the typical EM-5 who's shooting video of little Timmy's birthday party has a pro focus rig costing as much as the camera or anamorphic lenses etc ??

Its just consumer level video anyways with lacking the bit rate and formats most video enthusiast and professionals want.

Seems your trying to make the camera into something it isnt, that it wasn't ever designed to be, and that those who have such needs never even asked for.

Why not get a hacked GH2 with its awesome video specs, put your focus rig onto that camera, which should be easy as I'm sure there are premade setups already out there due to its popularity ??

Seems far more productive to go with an industry proven tool than to try to hope the EM-5 becomes something its not

Jun 13, 2012 at 09:17 PM

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Either use the 4 way direction pad, just like you'd use to select the focus point on any DSLR or point and shoot etc, OR, merely touch the LCD screen where you want the focus to be (if you have it enabled)

I think your either thinking way too in depth about something very simple or you haven't actually looked at any product shots showing the back of the camera.

EVF and LCD are the exact same thing, just like any other camera. Put your eye to the EVF, its on. Take your eye away, image goes to LCD instead.

bobbytan wrote:
Thanks! How do you pick the focus point on the EVF? Is there a joy stick or something and how easy is it to move the focus box around the EVF?

Jun 13, 2012 at 09:20 PM

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p.38 #18 · Olympus OM-D EM-5

Thanks! Have to confess that I have not really looked at the specs or construction of the OM-D too closely even though I've ordered the camera.

millsart wrote:
Either use the 4 way direction pad, just like you'd use to select the focus point on any DSLR or point and shoot etc, OR, merely touch the LCD screen where you want the focus to be (if you have it enabled)

I think your either thinking way too in depth about something very simple or you haven't actually looked at any product shots showing the back of the camera.

EVF and LCD are the exact same thing, just like any other camera. Put your eye to the EVF, its on. Take your eye away, image goes to LCD instead.

Jun 13, 2012 at 09:38 PM

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p.38 #19 · Olympus OM-D EM-5

They made some great strides on the usability of this thing.

I like how I can tie the function button a custom my setting and its a Hold instead of a toggle. I tied FN2 to my DRAMA filter and its nice I can just hold on to that, take the picture, and then release FN2 to return to normal mode.

I wish the custom arrow settings had more useful functions though.

Jun 13, 2012 at 10:33 PM

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p.38 #20 · Olympus OM-D EM-5

millsart wrote:
I would imagine that anyone who's got things like a focus-follower rig isn't doing handheld shooting to where the IBIS would be useful anyways, nor did they buy an EM-5 to do it, nor was the EM-5 marketed to video professionals.

How likely is it that the typical EM-5 who's shooting video of little Timmy's birthday party has a pro focus rig costing as much as the camera or anamorphic lenses etc ??

Its just consumer level video anyways with lacking the bit rate and formats most video enthusiast and professionals want.

Seems your trying to make the camera into something it isnt,...Show more →

- Yes, of course..but it's always handy to have IBIS when not shooting with a rig, or just to have it, regardless of buying it for pro work or not. Yes, it's not marketed to pros; but neither is the most popular hdslr, the gh2.

- Yes, the gh2 is actually consumer too and not marketed to pros. The hacks is what make it "pro".

- Anamorphic are abundant and cheap...and actually, most ana shooters like doing amateur, cheap, vacay, little videos, small art pieces, aesthetic

- Yes I am maybe trying to make the OMD to something it aint... but the gh2 doesn't do anything special either without the hacks, and people made it something it def isn't - a top notch best bang for the buck video performer.

No, Im not saying that the OMD even remotely stack up due to its limited frame rates and low bit-rate.. but what it does have, IBIS, will make up for it in spades for the amateur, hobbyist, videographer. It's a trade off.... GH2 = mega IQ with the hacks, but without IBIS and only nice when on tripods and rigs... OMD = awesome for handheld shooting, amateur, run and gun, hobbyist.

...one answer to all = the awesome IBIS is what makes the OMD, an OMD. GH2 hacked has IQ. OMD has IBIS. Might as well exploit OMD's Best feature to it's greatest capabilities and compatibility, is what I'm trying to say.

And MF lenses will help the broke videographer...cheap lenses, great IQ, abundant, true MF focus for the ones that aren't n00b videographers that leave it on AF or auto-exp all the time, and that actually appreciate real MF lenses, etc.

Jun 13, 2012 at 10:39 PM

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