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p.28 #1 · Olympus OM-D EM-5

jforkner wrote:
Which is which? I couldn't find anything that indicated.

Jack

omd left.. gh2 right... it was posted in another forum.

May 23, 2012 at 10:03 PM

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p.28 #2 · Olympus OM-D EM-5

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Maybe wait until you actually get a chance to use the camera before going all fanboy on it ? EM-5 sounds great on paper, and does have some fantastic features/is a great camera overall but I for one ended up returning mine.

Spec's and other user reviews mean little when you've actually got something in your hand but just don't enjoy shooting with it.

Yup. This thread is edging close to dpreviewish.

May 23, 2012 at 10:33 PM

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p.28 #3 · Olympus OM-D EM-5

The GH2's video quality is a little sharper but the OM-D's IBIS is really good. Very cool comparison video. Thanks for posting.

May 23, 2012 at 10:36 PM

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p.28 #4 · Olympus OM-D EM-5

Ya..I Am going a little fanboy on it I admit, haha... I guess I am just excited and hoping it will satisfy me after replacing my 5n with it

...lets see some pics then

May 23, 2012 at 10:46 PM

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p.28 #5 · Olympus OM-D EM-5

Tons o pics from mine in the Micro Four Thirds Image Thread.

May 24, 2012 at 04:19 AM

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p.28 #6 · Olympus OM-D EM-5

Is this due to the lens or em-5 video processing. Also any chance it can be improved in firmware (if processing); or is this hardware. I actually think 18mb/s is pretty decent (blu-ray is 25mb/s); but more important than the actual bit/s is how the data is processed and this is not mentioned (you can get darn good 1080p at 10mb/s).

LXShooter wrote:
The GH2's video quality is a little sharper but the OM-D's IBIS is really good. Very cool comparison video. Thanks for posting.

May 24, 2012 at 07:57 AM

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p.28 #7 · Olympus OM-D EM-5

yeah, well I put my money where my mouth was and ordered one. I know the FIRST place I'm going when the battery is charged. Fortunately I live by a mountain range with canyons I can readily access. I'll have the kit zoom along with the longer 75-300 to work with. Maybe I can see some wildlife who knows. Another week or so away from having this happen. I'm pretty stoked...and don't anticipate being disappointed. I had a long hands on at a dealer with it and it won me over. I don't have the issues some have with the control interface as I have smaller hands (guess that can be a good thing). The lugs never got touched with the way I hold it. Love the grip on it, but man that autofocus is like greased lighting.

May 24, 2012 at 09:08 AM

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p.28 #8 · Olympus OM-D EM-5

Traveler, you will not be disappointed for sure. You will be thrilled at how well this IBIS keeps pictures sharp! Handholding the 75-300 will amaze you!

May 24, 2012 at 10:21 AM

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p.28 #9 · Olympus OM-D EM-5

I saw that, Jordan, and you have some amazing portrait and low-light night photography samples. As a matter of fact, I am sold on the OM-D because of your samples! Having said that, I still have a lot of reservation about how clean/noise-free the files would be ... as m4/3 is not FF which is what I am used to. I can probably live with an APS-C sensor quality but I don't know if the OM-D files are at least close to, say the 7D or NEX. I guess I may have to try one and see it for myself.

Jman13 wrote:
Tons o pics from mine in the Micro Four Thirds Image Thread.

May 24, 2012 at 12:42 PM

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p.28 #10 · Olympus OM-D EM-5

Maybe for non-moving subjects but BIF or fast-action sports is another story, right ... as I am hearing that the AI servo or focus tracking on the OM-D is not brilliant!

RickPerry wrote:
Traveler, you will not be disappointed for sure. You will be thrilled at how well this IBIS keeps pictures sharp! Handholding the 75-300 will amaze you!

May 24, 2012 at 12:48 PM

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p.28 #11 · Olympus OM-D EM-5

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I saw that, Jordan, and you have some amazing portrait and low-light night photography samples. As a matter of fact, I am sold on the OM-D because of your samples! Having said that, I still have a lot of reservation about how clean/noise-free the files would be ... as m4/3 is not FF which is what I am used to. I can probably live with an APS-C sensor quality but I don't know if the OM-D files are at least close to, say the 7D or NEX. I guess I may have to try one and see it for myself....Show more →

Well, the OM-D files are not noise free, at least not the RAWs. There is a fine grained noise at base ISO that is (to me) not objectionable at all. It will not show up in any size print, though (at least not any print I've ever made). At higher ISO, there is definitely noise there, but it's competitive with APS-C from what I've seen. If you want pristine, completely noise free images, then you may be disappointed, but I've been very very pleased with low ISO images out of this camera. Good dynamic range, great color and plenty of detail.

I find at middle ISOs, it takes Lightroom noise reduction very well, to provide very low noise images with still lots of detail.

May 24, 2012 at 01:39 PM

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p.28 #12 · Olympus OM-D EM-5

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... as m4/3 is not FF which is what I am used to.

No its not and unfortunately that is something that there is no getting around. Only thing you can really change is your expectations and more importantly, the compromises your willing to make for a smaller/lighter package.

If IQ is the only thing your after, then m4/3 isn't it. Plenty of other great choices like the Nikon D800e, or probably the D600 which looks to be 24meg FF and for around $1500 (wow if true!)

Nobody though is shooting a FF dslr and thinking "hmmm, I really want better IQ than what I'm currently getting, maybe I'll go m4/3" That would be total and utter nonsense to do so.

But what many people (even some that are pretty anal when it comes to IQ) have found, is that the overall compromise of a small/light system is worth giving up some IQ for.

A 2 seat street legal sports car may have amazing performance, and if all you care about is the 0-60 hole shot, then it can't be beat, but many have found that some 4 door sports sedans can still have very exciting performance and still allow 3+ people to go somewhere without taking 2 cars.

If you compare m4/3 to FF though, with the mindset you want it to be as good, (or better) then your going to be disappointed because its not. Don't even waste your time buying one, its a no-go right out of the gate.

If you though buy it because you want a small compact camera, and your mind isn't comparing it to other formats, you can actually be rather surprised at how well it works for its size. Its frankly amazing how good of files you can get from sensor so small.

Its all about perspective

May 24, 2012 at 02:03 PM

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p.28 #13 · Olympus OM-D EM-5

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Well, the OM-D files are not noise free, at least not the RAWs. There is a fine grained noise at base ISO that is (to me) not objectionable at all. It will not show up in any size print, though (at least not any print I've ever made). At higher ISO, there is definitely noise there, but it's competitive with APS-C from what I've seen. If you want pristine, completely noise free images, then you may be disappointed, but I've been very very pleased with low ISO images out of this camera. Good dynamic range, great color and plenty of...Show more →

Yeah, I know whatcha guys mean.. I hope the OMD will at least be close to my recently sold 5n. My 5n, was honestly, nothing short of spectacular in high-iso. Better than my previous 60d, and close to my old 5d2 and better than my old 5d1.

Comparison iso still pics of OMD vs. 5N would be nice... but there are already some on dpreview compare page...and I don't know if they have a busted/broken 5n, lol...but the OMD actually stacks up to the low-noise, color, detail, sharpness of the already impressive 5N...actually not even just "stacks up"...in some cases, I see it besting the 5n ...!??! I couldn't believe it either...

Don't believe me? Go on dpreview on the 5n review page, and compare those zoomed-in samples page, of the OMD against and pick the 5N, 7, XPro, X100, etc...on raw (or jpeg, really), and pick 1600, 3200, 6400...

...i am pretty shocked how nice the OMD stills stacks up to all the top-APSC cameras...and I think, even besting some of them..

Now video output (internal processing and compression of OMD)... thats a different story, and I am still waiting for legit comparison videos and frame grabs out there...

May 24, 2012 at 02:14 PM

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p.28 #14 · Olympus OM-D EM-5

I have no delusions about the noise issue. I am fully aware of the trade-offs, and that I am not going to get FF sensor quality with a m4/3 or even APS-C sensor. I am aware too that sensor quality is getting better and better, as shown by the NEX sensor and the D800 sensor. As I said in my email, I would be happy if the OM-D sensor quality is almost as good as the NEX or 7D.

millsart wrote:
No its not and unfortunately that is something that there is no getting around. Only thing you can really change is your expectations and more importantly, the compromises your willing to make for a smaller/lighter package.

If IQ is the only thing your after, then m4/3 isn't it. Plenty of other great choices like the Nikon D800e, or probably the D600 which looks to be 24meg FF and for around $1500 (wow if true!)

Nobody though is shooting a FF dslr and thinking "hmmm, I really want better IQ than what I'm currently getting, maybe I'll go m4/3" That would be total...Show more →

May 24, 2012 at 02:20 PM

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p.28 #15 · Olympus OM-D EM-5

The GH-2 video quality is supposed to be exceptionally good. It's obvious from the link that you posted earlier that the OM-D video quality is superior. That in my books is quite amazing already.

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Now video output (internal processing and compression of OMD)... thats a different story, and I am still waiting for legit comparison videos and frame grabs out there...

May 24, 2012 at 02:28 PM

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p.28 #16 · Olympus OM-D EM-5

bobbytan wrote:
I have no delusions about the noise issue. I am fully aware of the trade-offs, and that I am not going to get FF sensor quality with a m4/3 or even APS-C sensor. I am aware too that sensor quality is getting better and better, as shown by the NEX sensor and the D800 sensor. As I said in my email, I would be happy if the OM-D sensor quality is almost as good as the NEX or 7D.

Then you should be just fine. From samples I've seen (I have not owned an NEX or the 7D), the E-M5 stacks up quite well against them.

May 24, 2012 at 02:31 PM

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p.28 #17 · Olympus OM-D EM-5

bobbytan wrote:
The GH-2 video quality is supposed to be exceptionally good. It's obvious from the link that you posted earlier that the OM-D video quality is superior. That in my books is quite amazing already.

Yeah..we all know the GH2 is very excellent..even if it wasn't and you owned one, and wanted the best quality, you can easily hack it and get even better video quality than a 5d2/3... so I am totally not even trying to compare the OMD vs GH2....

...but, the OMD vs Nex on the other hand, would be a better/closer and very good comparison..as both are unhackable (albeit diff sensor sizes and bitrates)

May 24, 2012 at 02:57 PM

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p.28 #18 · Olympus OM-D EM-5

This is a weird discussion.

You're talking about which has better video quality but it seems few people actually care about technique which will have far far more impact on the quality of your video than hacked bit rate. If you cared about technique you would know any sort of artificial stabilization is useless next to a monopod.

This kind of reminds me of gun forums. People will post all about how they're getting a $4000 custom 1911 yet they have no idea how to use it or even clean it.

May 24, 2012 at 03:51 PM

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p.28 #19 · Olympus OM-D EM-5

Of course I, and others, know true stabilization is best and nothing beats it - like tripods, fluid heads, monopods, etc. It's besides the point. I was interested in video quality and its' video output of said camera (OM-D) ...not technique or grip gear. This is an OMD thread, isn't it?

If I, or others, wanted to discuss technique, grip gear, tripods, fluid heads..then there's a completely different forum for that.

A monopod is useless if you happen to walk by a nice shot, that only gives you a window of a few seconds to capture. A monopod or tripod is useless if you are at a casual outing, dinner, a party, a nightclub, the street, travel, etc. What? You want to bust out a gigantic tripod and fluid head or a monopod in the middle of a busy dancefloor or at a busy restaurant while you are eating? Lol

May 24, 2012 at 04:16 PM

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p.28 #20 · Olympus OM-D EM-5

You video record eating? That's awful. Nobody looks good eating in video.

It sounds like you want to do random ass casual video clips. You'll barely tell the difference in these shots of 720p vs 1080p much less hacked bit rate.

May 24, 2012 at 04:20 PM

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