You're talking about which has better video quality but it seems few people actually care about technique which will have far far more impact on the quality of your video than hacked bit rate. If you cared about technique you would know any sort of artificial stabilization is useless next to a monopod.
This kind of reminds me of gun forums. People will post all about how they're getting a $4000 custom 1911 yet they have no idea how to use it or even clean it.
Same could be said for darn near every gear, rather than photo forum for any given type/brand of camera.
Anywhere you go on the net on gear photos is always about discussion of this lens or that lens, resolving power etc and yet no one ever really cares to talk about tripod or good heads etc.
So many people will spend thousands of dollars on glass but no want to buy/use a tripod because its not their "style" or whatever. Somewhat makes all the obsession and hours spent pouring over reviews etc a bit meaningless because they are never really going to get that last bit of resolution they obsess about if they don't want to use a tripod.
Then again, humanity by its very nature seems to be a contradiction and we as a species do A LOT of weird things that don't make much sense.
Thats why I tried to point out that in the "real world" of consumer level video, its not so much about the absolute quality, but rather what system provides the "best" overall results in the hands of unskilled operators who are typically unwilling to do anything more than shoot handheld footage.
When you 3 year old is taking his/her first steps into the ocean while on vacation, few if any dads are going to want to setup a video tripod and fluid head after all. Rather they are going to want to shoot handheld and probably then hand the camera off to another family member as they wade in with junior. Its stuff like that, no feature films and trying to get 4k video quality that most people want a video button on their camera for.
From the Comparometer samples I saw on Image Resource's review and such, I compared the OMD's image up to ISO6400 with the NEX-7 and my former D7000. Frankly it appears to keep up nicely with BOTH for noise and pixel sharpness. Better than the D7000 actually. So I'm not too concerned yet that it will have an issue meeting my expectations. I DO have high expectations where IQ is concerned. However keep in mind I don't print larger than 22x17 and typically it's 13x19, so my requirements aren't as demanding as some of you out there apparently. Even the lowly E-PL1 with the kit lens provided prints that nobody at work sees the difference in between my D7000 and D700 prints from a vacation. I'm sure Millsart will jump right in and slam me for this heresy, but I'm absolutely serious. The colors were outstanding and there was no noise present in the prints. So why should I think the OMD will let me down with even better glass? I'm fine
My epl2 messed up some once in a lifetime shots.
Well not messed up but if I had a nex, it would have looked much better to my eyes although I'm sure very few people would care.
The silver OMD looks Sexy! I kind of wish the hotshoe was removable, that part kind of looks like a growth.
traveler wrote:
From the Comparometer samples I saw on Image Resource's review and such, I compared the OMD's image up to ISO6400 with the NEX-7 and my former D7000. Frankly it appears to keep up nicely with BOTH for noise and pixel sharpness. Better than the D7000 actually. So I'm not too concerned yet that it will have an issue meeting my expectations. I DO have high expectations where IQ is concerned. However keep in mind I don't print larger than 22x17 and typically it's 13x19, so my requirements aren't as demanding as some of you out there apparently. Even the lowly E-PL1 with the kit lens provided prints that nobody at work sees the difference in between my D7000 and D700 prints from a vacation. I'm sure Millsart will jump right in and slam me for this heresy, but I'm absolutely serious. The colors were outstanding and there was no noise present in the prints. So why should I think the OMD will let me down with even better glass? I'm fine...Show more →
Why would I slam you for that I've basically said nothing but praise for the EM-5 the whole time.
I think its a fantastic camera, and a really good system with lots of lens choices. I personally didn't enjoy the handling (I wasn't able to try the grip though) and instead went the NEX7 route, which I think has a far more ergonomic design, and technically an edge in resolution at base ISO, but the EM-5 takes fantastic images overall.
Great color, great exposure, and an IBIS that is unreal. Not much not to like really
I was able to get mine to do the same thing (that is at 1/80sec on the 45/1.8 in IS1 mode I get a double image if I hold the camera steady but a sharp image if I hold it with one hand). More than one person in that thread could get the same results, but some people didn't have the problem at all.
Sounds like they've calibrated the IBIS for a shaky shooter. Might be just the ticket for me, I am about as steady as a 5.0 earthquake. The closest thing to a workable camera stabilization system for me has been the NEX OSS system. I'm hoping the OMD is even better, which is should be
I've had the IS thing occur for me a few times, but not very often. It saves far more shots than there are issues. I think it gets confused if you're too steady and turns off IS (tripod sensing)...then it can't compensate and turn on fast enough when you press the shutter. At least, that's my theory. I'm very rarely so steady that it's an issue, though (but I am relatively steady).
One thing that I really do like about the E-M5 is that Oly preserved the ability to use the VF-2 with it. I like being able to look down at the VF for many of my subjects.
FlyPenFly wrote:
My epl2 messed up some once in a lifetime shots.
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How so?
I'm using both an E-PL2 and a NEX 5N right now and at the moment I prefer the output of the E-PL2 (I admit that I shoot mostly low ISO). When I'm shooting indoors at high ISO in crappy light that's when I use the 5d2.
As skeptical as I was as to how much utility I would get out of the OM-D grip, I decided to pick one up, primarily for the ability to carry an extra battery. I had found that battery life was poor and was left racing to swap batteries a few times).
I was really quite happy with the way the camera felt bare, but I must say the grip is wonderful. I love being able to walk around having the camera hang from my finger tips partly curled around the grip, which is how I often hold my D700 (sans grip).
I do notice that I tend to end up doing this with the portrait part of the grip, which screws me up royally when I raise it and expect it to be in landscape orientation. That's happened a few times, but I've found myself using my D700 less and less since I got the OM-D.
As a Blackrapid user, however, I find the positioning of the tripod hole (and the attendant BR nubbin) to be EXACTLY where I want my hand to lie. With strap attached, this makes it a much bigger impediment to use than the lugs that others complained about. Not sure how that would be avoidable, however.
To my surprise after being away this weekend I found myself with a surprise CC charge on my account and a FedEx delivery at the door this morning with a silver Em-5 from a preorder I forgot I had placed months ago
Whom did you preorder this from and what lens is this?
I have a copy sitting on my shopping cart with Sony and Amazon but I have not pulled the trigger.
Can't wait to hear your first impressions and thoughts about the RAW file noise which is my biggest concern.
millsart wrote:
To my surprise after being away this weekend I found myself with a surprise CC charge on my account and a FedEx delivery at the door this morning with a silver Em-5 from a preorder I forgot I had placed months ago
Its from B&H in NYC and the lens is the Olympus 45mm 1.8, which is a fantastic lens btw. Its got a knock off hood on it was well which not only looks great, but also the front is threaded 46mm making it possible to share filters with the 12mm f2.0 and 20mm 1.7
I actually have an older thread about my impressions from a month or so ago. I originally had the black model. In a nutshell, I find the camera a bit too small and not very ergonomic for my hands. Its got some great features and produces nice images though.
Having a Gh2 and EP3 I can say the EM-5 is hands down the best m4/3 camera to date in terms of performance and IQ (video aside) but the other cameras certainly feel better in the hand.
I have not tried the camera with the accessory grip though which many have reported really helps handling. I think I may look around to give that a go before deciding what to do with this camera.
Its got a lot going for it and I've already got some m4/3 glass, but as I said in my original thread, its just not a camera I found enjoyable to shoot with given how I found it rather awkward to handle. If you've got larger sized hands I think its worth trying to pick one up in person and see how it feels. Its got some very tiny little buttons on it.
millsart wrote:
Its from B&H in NYC and the lens is the Olympus 45mm 1.8, which is a fantastic lens btw. Its got a knock off hood on it was well which not only looks great, but also the front is threaded 46mm making it possible to share filters with the 12mm f2.0 and 20mm 1.7
I actually have an older thread about my impressions from a month or so ago. I originally had the black model. In a nutshell, I find the camera a bit too small and not very ergonomic for my hands. Its got some great features and produces nice images though.
Having a Gh2 and EP3 I can say the EM-5 is hands down the best m4/3 camera to date in terms of performance and IQ (video aside) but the other cameras certainly feel better in the hand.
I have not tried the camera with the accessory grip though which many have reported really helps handling. I think I may look around to give that a go before deciding what to do with this camera.
Its got a lot going for it and I've already got some m4/3 glass, but as I said in my original thread, its just not a camera I found enjoyable to shoot with given how I found it rather awkward to handle. If you've got larger sized hands I think its worth trying to pick one up in person and see how it feels. Its got some very tiny little buttons on it....Show more →
Get the grip...way better handling. The buttons are a bit small, but seemed to be placed far enough apart that I can use them without issue.
The generic hood looks nice but I think it's more suited to a plastic lens like the 45/1.8 ... rather than say the all-metal 75/1.8 lens. Also, I don't know about screwing a filter to the hood i.e. being so far away from the lens. Wouldn't that introduce more distortion or CA? I would rather have the filter between the lens and the hood and I would get a filter with a threaded front, so you can attach the hood to the filter.
I have smallish hands but I will certainly get the grip too. I may not use the battery/vertical grip but I will certainly use the horizontal grip which will make holding and operating the camera a lot more comfortable.
Any reason why you didn't order the 40-150mm lens, as Olympus is giving a $100 rebate on this lens right?
millsart wrote:
Its from B&H in NYC and the lens is the Olympus 45mm 1.8, which is a fantastic lens btw. Its got a knock off hood on it was well which not only looks great, but also the front is threaded 46mm making it possible to share filters with the 12mm f2.0 and 20mm 1.7
I actually have an older thread about my impressions from a month or so ago. I originally had the black model. In a nutshell, I find the camera a bit too small and not very ergonomic for my hands. Its got some great features and produces nice images though.
Having a Gh2 and EP3 I can say the EM-5 is hands down the best m4/3 camera to date in terms of performance and IQ (video aside) but the other cameras certainly feel better in the hand.
I have not tried the camera with the accessory grip though which many have reported really helps handling. I think I may look around to give that a go before deciding what to do with this camera.
Its got a lot going for it and I've already got some m4/3 glass, but as I said in my original thread, its just not a camera I found enjoyable to shoot with given how I found it rather awkward to handle. If you've got larger sized hands I think its worth trying to pick one up in person and see how it feels. Its got some very tiny little buttons on it....Show more →
I've basically said nothing but praise for the EM-5 the whole time.