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p.27 #1 · Olympus OM-D EM-5


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While Olympus improved the OMD's video over crappy Pen video - its not better than the 5n at any 1080p setting, put it on a big set and you'll see there's more detail overall, things like leaves and grass are more defined rather than just green mush, and there's more detail in the shadows and highlights with the 5n. Steve Huff's video suck, I've seen better examples. I really don't care about the Fuji video, I just used that as an example. I'd like Olympus to prove me wrong and improve the OMD's video, but with the camera still white
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I'd love to see a proper, video IQ, comparison of the OMD vs Nex-7/5n... on tripod, with the same lens, same setting/scene, same lighting, same f stop, diff iso's etc... that will compare their sharpness, color, DR, iso, etc., etc. (no need to compare to a GH2, we all know that thing is a monster and 5d2 killer already, lol)

Since it's a very new camera, of course there aren't any nice comparo-vids.. yet.

You think you can make one?? ))

I'm sure you'll get a lot of hits/views on your YT or Vimeo acct too..if that interests you, hehe




May 23, 2012 at 03:06 PM
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I think your very test premise and post sort of illustrate why its a silly and meaningless test to do.

Yes, we know that Gh2, 5D mkII etc are fantastic for video and if your serious about doing video work, they are probably the way to go, or a 4k system, FS100 etc. Basically lots of options out there is the point

We also know that the OM-D aka EM-5 (why does it have 2 names?) isn't the best option around. As such, no one is going to go buy the EM-5 if they are serious about video production, and the only reason anyone is going to do proper video on a fluid head, with full production is if they are serious.

Its basically saying we know there are already good professional tools we should but, but lets try to use this tool that we already know isn't quite up to the task and see just how much worse it does. What would be the point ?

If you want a fantastic little alternative camera system for taking on holidays and anytime you don't want to lug the DSLR rig around, and/or may occasionally shot some video clips of your child's birthday, trip to the beach etc, the EM-5 is fantastic. It will make you very happy.

If your hoping to start doing a video production business and need a good B camera option, its not going to be anyone's first choice. Nothing wrong with the camera, but its simply not designed to be a serious video tool.



Edgardo Maguyo wrote:
I'd love to see a proper, video IQ, comparison of the OMD vs Nex-7/5n... on tripod, with the same lens, same setting/scene, same lighting, same f stop, diff iso's etc... that will compare their sharpness, color, DR, iso, etc., etc. (no need to compare to a GH2, we all know that thing is a monster and 5d2 killer already, lol)

Since it's a very new camera, of course there aren't any nice comparo-vids.. yet.

You think you can make one?? ))

I'm sure you'll get a lot of hits/views on your YT or Vimeo acct too..if that interests you, hehe





May 23, 2012 at 03:21 PM
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p.27 #3 · Olympus OM-D EM-5


wow! Great shots Rick! Especially the tulip!


May 23, 2012 at 03:22 PM
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p.27 #4 · Olympus OM-D EM-5


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... the OM-D aka EM-5 (why does it have 2 names?)


OM-D is the camera line (like Pen). E-M5 is the model. There will be future OM-D's, likely the E-M6 will be next.



May 23, 2012 at 03:25 PM
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p.27 #5 · Olympus OM-D EM-5


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I think your very test premise and post sort of illustrate why its a silly and meaningless test to do.

Yes, we know that Gh2, 5D mkII etc are fantastic for video and if your serious about doing video work, they are probably the way to go, or a 4k system, FS100 etc. Basically lots of options out there is the point

We also know that the OM-D aka EM-5 (why does it have 2 names?) isn't the best option around. As such, no one is going to go buy the EM-5 if they are serious about video production, and the only
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Yeah, I know what you're saying, of course the OMD nor NEX is the best professional tool...

BUT, a direct competitor to the OMD is the NEX series.. as they are similar in price and aesthetics/size (although diff sensor size), and both unhackable. So, imo, it would be a great comparison.

I wasn't asking and never asked for an OMD vs. 5d2/3, GH2, other HDSLRs or 4K cameras, ol..since we all already know that would be pointless, I agree...

..but an OMD vs NEX, would I think really be a good video comparison. Afterall, just look at the vimeo clips I posted...I find it hard to believe that the Nex really is that much better. I have a 5n at the moment (also used to have 5d2, 60d), but no OMD, yet... but honestly, the OMD clips I've seen so far seem very close, if not good as, as the Nex videos and other HDSLR videos I've used and seen clips of.

I hear ya on the Nex being better than the OMD's video; since it makes sense and is plausible, as it has a much higher bitrate and bigger sensor.... but I wont believe anything fully/100%, til after I actually see it, side by side.

Compression and processing is more important than bitrate imo. ex: 5n has a low bitrate but better video than many HDSLRs; due to it's newer compression/processing. OMD... we don't know yet...but obviously, it is very new and will probably have newer, more advanced and better compression/processing algorithms than older hdslrs.




May 23, 2012 at 03:38 PM
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I'm shooting/editing a couple commercials right now. If I get the time I'll shoot a few things with the same lenses from my Rokkor collection - 24/2.8, 35/1.8, 50/1.4, 58/1.2 and 85/1.7 - and post some individual frames at full resolution so the files won't be compressed by youtube or vimeo. Comparing them on the web is pointless because of the compression that takes place when uploading and the settings people are using when rendering video, its pretty easy to export low quality and skew tests.

I shot some video at a triathlon a few weeks back and the fine detail in the Nex video was a step above what the OMD produced. I had shots at 60p where you could make out every pebble on the ground in the plane of focus, something that wasn't as detailed on the OMD. Almost everything was on a tripod or monopod, but handheld the OSS on the Nex did a good job of quieting the shakes. Video from the OMD was maybe a bit smoother, but lower quality. I wish I had some of the footage, but after I get what I need I wipe my cards for the next production. I shot a few shallow DOF interviews and the images from the Nex just had more pop, before and after color grading. I use Nex video for broadcast productions, I won't use OMD video for broadcast.

As already stated, the IBIS makes the OMD one of the best cameras for shooting great photos and produces smooth handheld videos, as long as you don't want to use legacy glass. I want to make it clear, I really like the OMD and I plan on keeping it - at least until we see what Panasonic does with the GH3. The grip, IBIS and the JPEG engine are brilliant, all elements that I wish I could get on the Nex or the GH2 - and the main reasons why I bought one. But I'm also sticking with Nex (switching from the 7 to the 5n), APS-c is wider with my Rokkors and the video is better. Feel free to disagree with stuff posted to the web, but I have them in my bag and I've watched raw footage on my TV and on a 8' screen, simply put the Nex shoots higher quality video. That's all I have to say on the issue.

cheers



May 23, 2012 at 04:21 PM
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p.27 #7 · Olympus OM-D EM-5


Thanks Cyra,

All I know is that I get more "Keepers" with this camera! I like to just walk around and photograph what interests me. This camera is great for "casual " photography.



May 23, 2012 at 05:18 PM
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RickPerry wrote:
Thanks Cyra,

All I know is that I get more "Keepers" with this camera! I like to just walk around and photograph what interests me. This camera is great for "casual " photography.



More so than that, its a camera you can hand to a family member etc and have them actually take a well exposed, in focus photo which comes in handy. Between the face detect AF, excellent metering and IBIS, the odds of getting blurry or OOF images goes way down.


I can't tell you how many times I've had family members, or passers by try to take a shot of me with my X100 or XPro only to review the images on the LCD and see that they actually focused on the background, or the the image needed some EC they didn't know to dial in, or simply that (with the XPro at least) they didn't have a solid shooting technique and got motion blur at 1/52th of a second using the 50mm equiv lens

Now granted I could do a little to set up the camera for them to have more success, and those issues really aren't faults of the camera, just things you have to know how to work around/apply some basic photo knowledge, but at the same time, it is nice have a camera that you can just hand off and still get the shot




May 23, 2012 at 05:30 PM
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p.27 #9 · Olympus OM-D EM-5


I've placed a WTB ad in the B&S board. I cannot wait to see what Canon will do about a mirrorless ILC system, and besides, it may not happen for another couple of years - especially since they are busy this year in restrategizing or reconfiguring their DSLR road map because of the Nikon onslaught. I am also thinking that if I buy a used one I won't have to take huge loss if I have any buyer's remorse.


May 23, 2012 at 05:36 PM
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joychris - Awesome! Can't wait to see some frame grabs ..keep us posted. Can you do diff iso at comparable settings for both too? (doesn't need to be every single iso setting; maybe just a 200iso for high quality comparo, and a 1600 and 3200 for the extreme lowlight/hi-iso shots). So we can see the iso/noise difference b/n the two in video-mode as well (but, I'm sure the large apsc will do better; it'll be interesting though).

Do you have a 5n (or can borrow your friends') to do the comparison? If not, the 7 will do just fine I guess, since they're both the same generation of Nex's anyways.

Btw..My 5N on ebay just sold literally a few hours ago... so I guess there's no turning back now, muahaha

IBIS! ...here I come!




May 23, 2012 at 05:38 PM
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p.27 #11 · Olympus OM-D EM-5


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I've placed a WTB ad in the B&S board. I cannot wait to see what Canon will do about a mirrorless ILC system, and besides, it may not happen for another couple of years - especially since they are busy this year in restrategizing or reconfiguring their DSLR road map because of the Nikon onslaught. I am also thinking that if I buy a used one I won't have to take huge loss if I have any buyer's remorse.


Actually I don't think you'll have to wait too much longer for a Canon mirrorless announcement. G1X sensor won't be wasted on just the G1X. I would expect a Photokina announcement although rumours are appearing for a June announcement.

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May 23, 2012 at 06:09 PM
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Is it at all possible to use the old OM Zuiko lenses on the OM-D, and which adaptor will I need?


May 23, 2012 at 06:10 PM
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I sure hope you are right, as I am now hooked on petite bodies.

Pixel Perfect wrote:
Actually I don't you'll have to wait too much longer for a Canon mirrorless announcement. G1X sensor won't be wasted on just the G1X. I would expect a Photokina announcement although rumours are appearing for a June announcement.




May 23, 2012 at 06:12 PM
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p.27 #14 · Olympus OM-D EM-5


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Is it at all possible to use the old OM Zuiko lenses on the OM-D, and which adaptor will I need?


Yes and you can get a pretty good adapter from Amazon for like $20. I have a superb Zuiko 28 f/2 which I'll be adapting for my E-M5. Also got the m.Zuiko 45 f/1.8 for $342 brand new from Korea, shipped. Much cheaper than B&H. Now all I need are great WA and a macro.



May 23, 2012 at 06:17 PM
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p.27 #15 · Olympus OM-D EM-5


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I sure hope you are right, as I am now hooked on petite bodies.


What I hope is for a new mount but with an adapter that allows all or most EF glass to work with AF and IS if it has it. be nice if they do some fast native primes and zooms too.

I also hope it comes true. I like the small cameras, but I still prefer the ergonomics of my DSLR



May 23, 2012 at 06:20 PM
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I assume it'll be announced next month, but only be available around x-mas, like all new, anticipated Canon cameras.

I wonder if it'll be a shocker...or lame like the Nikon. I doubt the latter, since Canon seen what Nikon's going through right now. I bet it'll be a shocker... a nice design, homage to the vintage AE or RF days like OM-D and the X100, I doubt it'll be a crop (that'll cannibalize their current dslrs), maybe an m43 (since it's such a popular and safe format now used by several companies)... hmm, I wonder if it'll have 5-axis IBIS too? Prolly not.

...if it aint gonna have 5-axis IBIS, I don't really give a hoot what Canon comes out with, haha. It can have 45mbps, 24p, 60pHD, APSC, 500,000iso, I still won't care ...steady IBIS shots for vacay/street/hobby/amateur/casual are far more important to me and I'll just keep my soon-to-be-had OM-D



May 23, 2012 at 07:02 PM
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Now, this isn't a Nex comparison (which is really the one I want to see; as, again, the Nex is unhackable and similar in size and price as the OMD)...but this is very interesting in regards to the talked about new and supposedly "best m43 sensor to date" in terms of DR...



Anyone else notice anything great about this video in regards to the OMD??

I've read here, and seen comparison pics, that the OMD is the best m43 to date, and has a 1-2 stop improvement in dynamic range...and that's just pics. But videos too? I guess this video proves it.

Ignore the IBIS, sharpness, color, contrast, etc for now....

Check out the skies. OMD still retains the blues, gradual fades contrast to the white snow tops on the mountains, and detail and color in the lake reflections. The GH2 is completely blown out and clipping! And I know they are the same exposure, since the shadow areas look similarly exposed. Additionally, the color/profile settings look like they've been set to a nice, flatter, more natural setting in the GH2, while the OMD looks overly contrasty and saturated probably from default factory settings; this said, in terms of DR, the GH2 is actually cheating with a flatter and more neutral setting, and is still overblowing/clipping the skies...no imagine if the OMD's profile settings were set more natural colors, lower saturation and lower contrast..this would gain even more DR. I have a feeling this OMD is going to be a video sleeper.



May 23, 2012 at 07:36 PM
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Edgardo Maguyo wrote:
I assume it'll be announced next month, but only be available around x-mas, like all new, anticipated Canon cameras.

I wonder if it'll be a shocker...or lame like the Nikon. I doubt the latter, since Canon seen what Nikon's going through right now. I bet it'll be a shocker... a nice design, homage to the vintage AE or RF days like OM-D and the X100, I doubt it'll be a crop (that'll cannibalize their current dslrs), maybe an m43 (since it's such a popular and safe format now used by several companies)... hmm, I wonder if it'll have 5-axis IBIS
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Tell us what you really think about Canon Eduardo.

I hope they don't disappoint you and offer something nice.



May 23, 2012 at 08:30 PM
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Which is which? I couldn't find anything that indicated.


Jack



May 23, 2012 at 09:09 PM
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Edgardo Maguyo wrote:
...if it aint gonna have 5-axis IBIS, I don't really give a hoot what Canon comes out with, haha. It can have 45mbps, 24p, 60pHD, APSC, 500,000iso, I still won't care ...steady IBIS shots for vacay/street/hobby/amateur/casual are far more important to me and I'll just keep my soon-to-be-had OM-D



Maybe wait until you actually get a chance to use the camera before going all fanboy on it ? EM-5 sounds great on paper, and does have some fantastic features/is a great camera overall but I for one ended up returning mine.

Spec's and other user reviews mean little when you've actually got something in your hand but just don't enjoy shooting with it.



May 23, 2012 at 09:17 PM
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