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p.12 #1 · Olympus OM-D EM-5


forestmage wrote:

I also noticed that the OM-D doesn't produce the red sunspots my EPL2 does when pointed directly at the sun, as in shots like this one:
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5331/6952831896_3f09fdbae2_c.jpg
Last Light of the Dying Day by Clovermead Photography, on Flickr



That is pretty impressive dynamic range shown there.



Apr 21, 2012 at 11:25 AM
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p.12 #2 · Olympus OM-D EM-5


alemmo wrote:
That is pretty impressive dynamic range shown there.


First thing I thought when I saw that. If the low ISO DR is really as good as some sketchy early reports are saying, I may just have to bite the bullet and get one. It's really the ONLY thing remaining in m4/3 that I occasionally want to see some improvement in.



Apr 21, 2012 at 11:50 AM
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I am pretty happy with what I am seeing at low ISO DR. I so wasn't going to buy the OM-D, as I love my EP3 for m4/3 work but then B&H got them in stock just as I was checking on a whim ( I blame their android app haha) and now I am happy I did. It looks as if I will be selling the EP3 or EPL2. I think you folks waiting on OM-D's or planning to purchase will be happy you did as well. The camera handles very nicely.


Apr 21, 2012 at 12:04 PM
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p.12 #4 · Olympus OM-D EM-5


Were EP cameras also noisy or is this unique to the E-M5? I don't recall hearing about this previously.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.



Apr 21, 2012 at 06:37 PM
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p.12 #5 · Olympus OM-D EM-5




Ok, you need to give me your EM-5 before it explode.

But seriously, I wonder if the sensor is just floating around hitting the compartment when it is not turned on? Does shaking the camera when it is off sound like there is something loose inside?



Apr 21, 2012 at 07:48 PM
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p.12 #6 · Olympus OM-D EM-5


The problem seems serious enough and moderately widespread (though likely not a huge percentage). At the very least, it might be enough for me to actually hold off until prices drop like I know I should...let them figure out what the issue is and fix it.


Apr 21, 2012 at 08:20 PM
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p.12 #7 · Olympus OM-D EM-5


Yakim Peled wrote:
Were EP cameras also noisy or is this unique to the E-M5? I don't recall hearing about this previously.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.

The E-P3 and E-PL2 did not make this noise.

At any rate, I don't want to blow it out of proportion. I can only hear it inside my quiet office with the door closed. Outside, or in a room with any ambient noise, it's inaudible to me.

I took the camera out shooting today and it handled beautifully. As I said earlier, the main thing I'd improve is to make image playback go to the EVF automatically if it's in use. I removed the right side strap lug quite easily and the camera is now very comfortable to hold. I absolutely love how discreet and quiet it is; the shutter sound is much quieter than any m4/3 I've previously used (the aforementioned Olys and the G3). All in all, I'm really happy I ended up sticking with m4/3 over the X-Pro1 at this point in time. I haven't shot nearly enough images to judge IQ in comparison to the Fuji yet, but that's not the most important factor for me in a camera this size.



Apr 21, 2012 at 10:37 PM
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itai195 wrote:
All in all, I'm really happy I ended up sticking with m4/3 over the X-Pro1 at this point in time. I haven't shot nearly enough images to judge IQ in comparison to the Fuji yet, but that's not the most important factor for me in a camera this size.


So you like the OM-D over X-Pro1 more? I am this close to selling my m4/3 stuffs and go to XP1, but cooler head prevails.



Apr 21, 2012 at 10:51 PM
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I really wanted to love the X-Pro1. I'm infatuated with the Fuji colors and the IQ is superb. The control dials and aperture ring are wonderful, every camera should have those. The Q menu is excellent, as is the 35mm lens. High ISO image quality is easily best in class. I found the body to be a good size and weight, with most of the controls falling into easily accessed locations. Shooting with the camera can be a real joy in many situations. The build quality, overall, is solid.

That said, there are issues. The OVF has good and bad sides. The optical view and the ability to see outside the frame lines are great. The inaccurate frame lines, AF inaccuracy, and need to deal with parallax make the OVF a bit fiddly to use in practice. Having the OVF is great, it's just not an unmitigated positive.

The AF is speedy enough for most of my needs. Really, in the past it would've been fine for all of my needs. But I have a family now and would prefer my small camera to be one that can easily do double duty for family photos. I just can't see the Fuji doing that. I don't want to sound like I'm whining here... I shoot MF glass on my DSLR, and ordinarily I take a fairly slow paced approach with my photography. But I really feel like a 2012 camera should focus faster. The lenses have old fashioned external focus mechanisms. The 35mm frequently pinched my thumb as it focused. The aperture chatter is a nonissue, but the noisy focusing mechanism was distracting to both me and several portrait subjects.

The EVF is not particularly good. Certainly, it would be a deal breaker if the EVF was the only viewfinder on the camera. As it is, I could have lived with it, except for a big issue I'll describe below.

The lens selection won't be ideal for me until sometime next year. That said, 28/50/90mm is a fine combo and I could have lived with this except for three issues. First, the 60mm is the only tele option right now, and it's the slowest focusing lens. I use this focal length a lot. Second, the 18mm is the only wide angle option, and its IQ is just okay. I also use wide angles a lot, and the lens just isn't good enough for my needs. Third, every tele lens, and probably the 14mm as well, will require use of that substandard EVF. That's pretty much the biggest negative for me. The EVF is not terrible, but I didn't feel happy with the thought of spending so much money on a camera with a mediocre viewfinder.

There are also some smaller issues. No rgb histogram that I could find, no histogram in image review, limited bracketing options, the poorly conceived naming scheme for images shot in continuous drive, the very existence of the macro button, and the poorly placed AF button. Every camera has small, irksome issues of this nature. The long running problem Fuji has with Mac/iOS hidden files falls into this category too, but leaves me with a very negative impression. I really hoped that Fuji would have finally fixed this ridiculous issue by now. All I can say is WTF. Actually, no, that's not all I can say. What in the world is Fuji thinking?! Who, other than Sony and Microsoft, makes a premium product that spurns Mac users so visibly in this day and age? It's just plain stupid and the persistence of the issue is mind boggling.

So all in all, there are a lot of positives, but I just don't feel the Fuji system is mature enough for me to adopt it yet. There are too many compromises. None of the issues are deal breakers on their own, but in a rational assessment they add up to an overall negative impression for me for now. What makes the most sense for me is to stick with m43, provided that the E-M5 offers improved handling and IQ compared to my G3 (which it does). I'll reevaluate when the X-Pro2 comes out. I've got my fingers crossed, hoping that as Fuji develops the system they'll resolve most of these issues so that I can jump back in.

So the X-Pro1 went to a friend who is elated with it, and the E-M5 is basically everything I wanted in an m4/3 body. Oly has great colors and the body handles well, albeit with the usual Oly quirks. I still don't really love the super control panel (Fuji's Q menu is better), I want to be able to set a minimum shutter speed for auto ISO (Fuji has the same problem), image playback in the EVF is only possible with a laborious workaround, the auto WB is hit or miss (the Fuji's was great), and I feel like I have to press the info button to cycle through various displays way too often. But I can live with these. Like I said, every camera has issues of this nature. The camera is built like a tank, handles well, and the lens selection is perfect. Regarding the Fuji 18mm, I decided that I'd rather have a slightly worse sensor paired with a much better lens. The sensor will improve over time with new bodies, but the lens will not.

Throughout all of this, part of me really wanted to take a deep breath, calm down, and just evaluate the Fuji as a simple photographic tool. From this point of view, the camera has everything it needs to have: wonderful controls, a great lens, a nice viewfinder, autofocus, and image quality to die for straight out of the camera. Anybody should be able to make great images with just these few features. But I just couldn't put the laundry list of niggles to rest.

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Apr 22, 2012 at 12:07 AM
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thanks for your post, so the little things do add up huh? Lloyd Chambers is terminating his review of XP1 according to his blog...

So, are there any significant improvement in the EM-5's menu compared with EP3 and EPL2 or is it about the same? Coming from GF1 and GXR, both having pretty straight forward menu and button access to most things that I need, I am a little worry about having to dive into Oly's menu during shooting.



Apr 22, 2012 at 12:31 AM
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Yup. And as I implied, it only became clear to me after using the camera for a couple weeks.

I think Lloyd's assessment is mostly correct, except that I didn't notice any white balance issues. I think evaluating sharpness should wait for better raw converters, but I agree that I sometimes found the camera's jpegs surprisingly soft. Having said that, I also had a lot of shots that were very sharp and detailed.

The E-M5’s menu is nearly identical to the previous bodies. You get more customizable buttons than the earlier bodies, if I recall correctly. Between those and the SCP, menu diving is rare on this camera. I think that anyone who was comfortable with the earlier Oly bodies will feel at home with the E-M5.



Apr 22, 2012 at 12:40 AM
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itai195 wrote:
Throughout all of this, part of me really wanted to take a deep breath, calm down, and just evaluate the Fuji as a simple photographic tool. From this point of view, the camera has everything it needs to have: wonderful controls, a great lens, a nice viewfinder, autofocus, and image quality to die for straight out of the camera. Anybody should be able to make great images with just these few features. But I just couldn't put the laundry list of niggles to rest.


You remind me of someone....

Happy shooting,
Yakim.



Apr 22, 2012 at 04:21 AM
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kwalsh wrote:
@Jonas: Someone at DPR set me straight on EVF playback and menus (I too couldn't figure out how to do it on my own despite reading the 100 page manual). Turn off auto switching of the EVF and now playback and menus can be done in the EVF. You can quickly turn auto switching on or off without menu diving by just holding down the LV button on the side of the EVF for a few seconds and it will pop up a dialog.
Ken


That's a nice feature. I tried to do the same with the video REC button but they hadn't implemented the same idea there; it would have been nice to get to the menu with options for the button the same way in that case (or with any of the buttons of course).

I'm still happy with the REC button being programmable. Loosing the REC function matters very little as Olympus added an alternative way to record videos if the REC button is assigned something else (as DOF preview in my case).

The DOF preview function isn't sticky, I wonder if anyone found a way to make it so? One nice feature with the DOF function is that one can keep the button pressed and then magnify the view in the viewfinder and still see the effect of the aperture opening of choice.

thank you,

/Jonas



Apr 22, 2012 at 04:10 PM
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Having got my OM-D for about 2 weeks now I was initially startled to hear the humming noise and I thought that it might have something to do with the stabilizers. Even turning off stabilization does not make it go away. Funny thing is that the hum is much reduced in movie mode.

Can anyone out there tell me whether this is normal and whether the battery will be drained faster than usual?



Apr 29, 2012 at 02:47 AM
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Liban Boy wrote:
Having got my OM-D for about 2 weeks now I was initially startled to hear the humming noise and I thought that it might have something to do with the stabilizers. Even turning off stabilization does not make it go away. Funny thing is that the hum is much reduced in movie mode.


Funny or not, these are very good news.

Welcome to FM.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.



Apr 29, 2012 at 02:50 AM
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Liban Boy wrote:
Having got my OM-D for about 2 weeks now I was initially startled to hear the humming noise and I thought that it might have something to do with the stabilizers. Even turning off stabilization does not make it go away. Funny thing is that the hum is much reduced in movie mode.

Can anyone out there tell me whether this is normal and whether the battery will be drained faster than usual?


The sensor is floating around and when the camera is in use the magnetic IBIS system is used to keep it at place, and if IBIS is turned ON also move it accordingly to how the camera is shaked around. So, there is some power used also when IBIS is turned OFF.

The humming sound is reduced in video mode. The word is that is because the system works in a 2-axis stabilization mode only in video mode (as opposed to the 5-axis mode used when shooting still images). I don't know if that is true, or the whole story.

So yes, the humming you describe is normal - for this camera. Will it drain the battery faster than "normal"? No, not faster than normal for this camera - so we'll have to compare to other micro 4/3 cameras, or LIVE cameras.

My Panasonic G1 usually managed around 400 images (between 300 and 600 depending on the conditions, amount of reviewing and so on). My Nex-5 and Nex-5N managed around 300-350 images. Olympus E-M5 specifications says approximately 330 images with 50% taken in Live View.

So, we don't have a clear answer to your second question. What is "normal"? Are the specifications correct (and how do you take images with the E-M5 if not in Live View??) and what are your shooting habits like?

Here in Sweden there are no E-M5 batteries available yet so I have one battery only. I'll learn more about battery life when I've got a second and third battery making it possible to use them until they run out of power. And- if you now had the camera for 2 weeks, what's your own experience?

regards,

/Jonas



Apr 29, 2012 at 05:25 AM
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Jonas B wrote:
What is "normal"?


Good question. I have had many discussions with my wife about this very topic. Never got to a final conclusion though.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.



Apr 29, 2012 at 08:06 AM
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p.12 #18 · Olympus OM-D EM-5


Thank you for your explanation. I am relieved somewhat and guess will have to live with the humming then.


Apr 29, 2012 at 01:22 PM
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p.12 #19 · Olympus OM-D EM-5


I'm really surprised by all of this "hum" discussion. I literally have to hold the camera to my ear in order to hear anything, so I guess if I was taking a photo from my ear it might be an issue


Apr 29, 2012 at 01:52 PM
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p.12 #20 · Olympus OM-D EM-5


Has anyone tried the Pany 100-300 on the OM-D EM-5
I know you will have to shoot with the IS on the lens turned off
Was wondering how it was compared to the Oly 75-300 which is almost twice the cost.



Apr 29, 2012 at 05:01 PM
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