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From: Henry Posner [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 2:10 PM
Subject: 1D X back order canceled

Re Web No: 1019890874

We regret your dissatisfaction. We have a firm and unwavering policy not to sell to resellers for a couple of reasons:

- We prefer to establish and maintain the retailer-customer relationship ourself.
- Selling to resellers violates our authorized retailer agreement with many of the brands we carry.
- Selling to resellers almost always voids the end user's warranty.

We have a legal and ethical obligation to honor our authorized retailer agreements and the provisions cited above are essential to our business.

If you feel our decision regarding the canceled order was made incorrectly and you can establish this to a reasonable degree we are certainly open to discussing this in a professional and business like way. I will ask the manager of that department to review this letter also.
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Henry Posner
Director of Corporate Communications
B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio
http://www.bandh.com/

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Hi Henry,

I've been a B&H customer since the 1980's. I've spent about $200K with B&H. I placed a back order for the new Canon 1D X yesterday (order # 1019890874) so I could get on the top of the wait list. B&H canceled my order without explanation. I was in the waiting room when I received the cancelation while my wife had surgery.

I contacted sales at B&H and they told that they cannot help me. I just got the run around from one guy to the next. They gave me the attitude of this isn't my problem let me pass you on to someone else. I told them l was a customer since the 1980's and had six figures of purchases from B&H which he clearly could see on my account. They didn't want to deal with it so I told him look I'm in the waiting room while my wife is having oral surgery, I can't just keep on getting transferred from one person to the next, can't you own this issue for me and handle it and get back with me with what B&H needs? Nope!

I asked them why and they say I’ve purchased too much gear so I must be a reseller. What I said that's ridiculous! I have all my gear listed on my profile here on fredmiranda.com and I offer to PDF all my registered gear from the Canon and Nikon registration web sites to prove I still own 95%+ of everything I've ever bought from B&H. And I've purchased a lot. The only photo gear I've ever sold are for example when a version II of the new Canon 300mm IS lens I sold my several year old Canon 300mm IS version I lens. You can see on my FM feedback every item I’ve sold. And that is for a handful of items just like everyone else here on FM. These are personal sales of my well used equipment on FM only not for resale as a business but because I am replacing these with a newer versions from B&H. But B&H declines. I think that's a nice way to treat a good customer like myself!

I also have back orders with B&H from the 1st day back orders were accepted. I’ve now gone from top of the back order list to having no back orders at all from what I understand:
Nikon D800E
Nikon D4
Canon 5D Mark III
Canon 24-70 version II
Canon 1D X
The new Canon flashes, grips, etc.

If I added this up correctly I have made $194,136.11 in orders wit B&H since 2004 alone plus with the four bodies, grips flashes, etc I have on back order that's well North of $220K in business with B&H.

And I've had some of these back orders in since January 9th. So why couldn't B&H have told me when I was back ordering all this gear that they would cancel the orders? At least then I could have placed the back order with another vendor. Why wait until the week before the ship date to tell me that? This causes real damage to me. Now it'll take many months to get back on the front of the line at another retailer. If B&H had just told me when I placed the orders starting in January there would have been no damage done. But instead B&H took the orders and let me assume since January I was first in line. That's really where the damage is done. B&H could have avoided all this hassle. Now what do I do?

So Fred Miranda himself has contact B&H regarding my plight and I’ve have heard nothing back further from B&H. I’ve emailed B&H myself and I’ve heard nothing back.

I’m trying to slowly cancel my back orders with B&H and replace them with other resellers. I think I may have a Nikon D4 lined up thanks to another FM member who after hearing my story about B&H is trying to help me get a D4. But that’s one down and several more to go. This is a mess that could have been avoided had B&H been upfront with me.

And all the gear I’ve purchased has been for my use only. As I said I offered to send B&H a PDF from Nikon and Canon’s registration site showing that all this gear is registered to me.


Here is my profile on FM and I've purchased almost all of this from B&H:
Roland from San Francisco
Hasselblad H3D-39 39MP, H1 Film, Canon 1DIV, 1DsIII, 1DsII, 1DIIn, 1DII, SD550,
Leica R9/DMR,
Nikon D3x, D700
Glass
Hasselblad HC 300/4.5, 210/4, 150/3.2, 120/4 Macro, 50-110/3.5-4.5, 100/2.2, 80/2.8, 50/3.5, 35/3.5, 28/4, 1.7x, 52/26/13mm ext
Leica: 15/3.5, 19/2.8, 21-35, 28/2.8, 35/1.4, 50/1.4, 60/2.8 Makro, 80/1.4, 90/2, 100/2.8 Makro, 180/2.8, 280/4, 2x Ext, Elpro 1:1,
Zeiss ZE 21/2.8, 28/2, 35/2, 50/2, 100/2
Zeiss ZF 21/2.8, 50/2, 100/2
Zeiss Distagon C/Y T* 21/2.8, 28/2.0, 35/2.8 PC, 50/1.7 Planar T*,
Schneider Apo-Digitar 90/4.5, Rodenstock Apo-Sironar Digital 45/4.5, 150/4.5
Canon Primes: 600/4L IS, 500/4L IS, 400/4L IS II, 400/5.6L, 300/2.8L IS II, 200/2.0L, 200/2.8L II, 180/3.5L Macro, 135/2.0L, 100/2.8L Macro, 90/2.8 TS-E, 85/1.2L II, 85/1.8, MP-E 65/2.8 1-5x Macro, 60/2.8 EF-S Macro used with ext tubes, 50/1.2L, 45/2.8 TS-E, 35/1.4L, 24/1.4L II, 24/3.5 TS-E II, 17/4 TS-E, 15mm Fish Eye, 14/2.8 II, 1.4x III, 2x III
Canon Zooms: 8-15/4L, 16-35/2.8L II, 17-40/4L, 24-70/2.8L, 24-105/4L IS, 70-200/2.8L IS II, 70-200/4L IS, 100-400/4-5.6L IS, 28-300/3.5-5.6L IS, 70-300/3.5-5.6L IS
Nikon AF-S 600/4G VR, 200-400/4G ED-IF VR, 14-24/2.8G, 24-70/2.8G, 70-200/2.8G VR II, 105/2.8G ED-IF Macro, 85/1.4G, 60/2.8G Macro, 50/1.4G, 35/1.4G, 24/1.4G, TC-14EII, 17EII, 20EIII
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Mar 15, 2012 at 04:14 PM
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garydavidjones wrote:
Called B&H pro hotline. Rude, unhelpful. Complained in writing about defective product, no reply.


Please accept our apologies. If you will resend your comments to me I will reply or forward your comments to someone else here who will.

Henry Posner
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B&H Photo-Video



Mar 15, 2012 at 04:17 PM
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edwardkaraa wrote:
Seriously, BH are not the only online ordering business. And, they're too big, and the service is very impersonal.


I don't know if we're "too big" or not but considering the amount of time I spend here and there online I really do not think we can be called "impersonal."

Probably what happened to the OP is a computer glitch. A computer has decided that he's a reseller based on a certain pattern and just ditched him.

Actually, it was a person and his decision was reviewed by a manager.

Nozzleforward wrote:
As someone that used to run a social media for a retail company, I can tell you that putting this on facebook or twitter will probably get it resolved by the end of the day. I would say something along the lines of: So here's what happened, this is how long I've been a customer, and "can anyone suggest where I can buy from now on since they no longer want my business?"


As someone representing our company in social media I assure you that whether you post here or in a social media setting or email me, you will get the same attention and the same courtesy and the same efforts to resolve your situation.

Henry Posner
[email protected]
B&H Photo-Video



Mar 15, 2012 at 04:22 PM
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Alf Beharie wrote:
I would change your FM name before pointing them at your equipment list because you have to admit, "netexpress" does sound a lot like the name of a company, possibly a reseller company, so they have point :D


Indeed: http://netexpresslabs.com/

Henry Posner
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B&H Photo-Video



Mar 15, 2012 at 04:24 PM
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I sent you PDF proof positive that every item I’ve ever purchased from B&H has been for my use and not for resale. I sent you the complete registration for every Nikon and Canon item from the Canon and Nikon web site - you can verify any serial number on that list.

Honestly I have no idea how B&H got this notion that I was a reseller of photographic equipment. I’ve never been in such a business. I only purchase these items from B&H for my own personal use. I have had shipments sent to my work address because I don’t want packages sent to my home address while I am at work where they may be stolen. But this gear has been purchased by me and not by my company. They have been purchased on my personal credit card.

Am I the only one that has items sent to work?





Mar 15, 2012 at 04:34 PM
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I can't believe that netxp is the only rich guy who buys a lot of camera gear from B&H.
Looks like netexpresslabs sells computer, not camera equipment, I'll bet there are plenty of people using their company to buy personal gear for them, probably something about taxes



Mar 15, 2012 at 04:35 PM
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This reminds me of how a girl was banned from purchases at Abercrombie & Fitch and accused of being a reseller because she would purchase thousands of dollars of clothes from them. She would buy one of each color of every style she liked and her closet was like a shrine to Abercrombie. I don't understand the point of angering or cutting off your best customers...

Simply don't buy from them anymore. Buy from Samy's, Adorama, Robert's or Amazon or J&R, etc. etc. etc.

netexpress wrote:
From: Henry Posner [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 2:10 PM
Subject: 1D X back order canceled

Re Web No: 1019890874

We regret your dissatisfaction. We have a firm and unwavering policy not to sell to resellers for a couple of reasons:

- We prefer to establish and maintain the retailer-customer relationship ourself.
- Selling to resellers violates our authorized retailer agreement with many of the brands we carry.
- Selling to resellers almost always voids the end user's warranty.

We have a legal and ethical obligation to honor our authorized retailer agreements and the provisions cited above are essential to our business.

If you feel our decision
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Mar 15, 2012 at 04:36 PM
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pookipichu wrote:
This reminds me of how a girl was banned from purchases at Abercrombie & Fitch and accused of being a reseller because she would purchase thousands of dollars of clothes from them. She would buy one of each color of every style she liked and her closet was like a shrine to Abercrombie. I don't understand the point of angering or cutting off your best customers...

Simply don't buy from them anymore. Buy from Samy's, Adorama, Robert's or Amazon or J&R, etc. etc. etc.



You know my wife?



Mar 15, 2012 at 04:38 PM
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p.4 #9 · B&H What are you thinking???


Not only that but I've personally sent dozens of friends to B&H for big ticket purchases.


Mar 15, 2012 at 04:40 PM
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Just send Henryp a picture of you in the room full of your gear.


Mar 15, 2012 at 04:46 PM
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Well Henry since I've sent you proof positive that every item I've purchased (with serial numbers which you can verify) has been for my personal use at least you can apologize and admit you are wrong.


Mar 15, 2012 at 04:46 PM
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that response makes me very strongly not want to shop at B&H. thankfully, there are plenty of other places to buy new and used gear from.

I find it sad that these days no one has the balls to just own up to a mistake and apologize. always shift the blame, and then fake apologize that someone was offended that they were wronged.



Mar 15, 2012 at 04:48 PM
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cogitech wrote:
Indeed. The only thing that might inspire them to change their policy/training to avoid this in the future is to lose your business entirely and suffer the bad press around places like FM.

Based on this, I certainly won't be considering any more purchases from them.



Because your worried that your preorder for one of everything might get canceled ??

Because even though there are literally hundreds of thousands of transactions with satisfied customers over the years you instead want to focus on ONE isolated incident ?

Yeah, that seems like a reasonable course of action to take.

I know that I've spend tens of thousands of dollars over a decade with them and have never had a problem one single time, but hey, someone I don't even know personally posted on an internet forum about spending $200k with them and having a problem (that still may be resolved) so I'm now done with them too.





Mar 15, 2012 at 04:49 PM
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Call Allens Camera in Levittown,Pa. same prices as B & H . Allen is a great guy to work with. here is his # 215- 547-2841


Mar 15, 2012 at 04:51 PM
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In the A&F case, if I recall correctly, the issue A&F had with the customer had nothing to do with resale, but with counterfeiting. The concern was that someone was buying a copy of each of their latest styles, presumably to ship them to China where their designs could be copied and then sold as cheap knock-offs. This is a very common practice in the fashion industry, so it was actually a legitimate issue. The matter was resolved only after she went to the media and showed how she literally had closet-fulls of their clothes.

But there are a number of crucial differences here:

1. Unlike clothes, camera lenses and bodies are well beyond the capability of most entities to counterfeit--the technologies to manufacture them are so costly and specialized that counterfeiting would be something conceivable only in the context of industrial espionage.
2. B&H is a retailer only; not an OEM. They do not have a legal interest in preventing counterfeiting.
3. B&H's stated justification for this act is "reselling," not counterfeiting. This makes no sense because a reseller would not then desire to provide documentation of continued ownership nor would they choose to purchase only one copy of each item in question. This has yet to be addressed by them.
4. B&H has not adequately explained why they canceled your pre-order just before the product release, when that order was made far in advance.
5. A&F clothes are ugly.

My suggestion to the OP for next steps is to provide proof of insurance as additional evidence of ownership. If an insurance company is sufficiently convinced you own what you own that they are willing to be on the hook for losses to that gear, then B&H has no foot to stand on to accuse you of being a reseller. I can't imagine you wouldn't have all of that property insured.



Mar 15, 2012 at 04:52 PM
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Geeze there are plenty of other places to buy stuff (Calumet, Canoga, Roperts Adorama,etc.), why make it difficult....you want PITA to deal with? Try walking into $amys! Watch 'em spin the price wheel.




Mar 15, 2012 at 04:56 PM
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wickerprints wrote:
In the A&F case, if I recall correctly, the issue A&F had with the customer had nothing to do with resale, but with counterfeiting. The concern was that someone was buying a copy of each of their latest styles, presumably to ship them to China where their designs could be copied and then sold as cheap knock-offs. This is a very common practice in the fashion industry, so it was actually a legitimate issue. The matter was resolved only after she went to the media and showed how she literally had closet-fulls of their clothes.

But there are a number of
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I like this point the best:
>> 5. A&F clothes are ugly.



I've already sent Henry a print out from Canon's and Nikon's web site showing all the serial numbers for each item as registered with Canon and Nikon on my own account. B&H has each serial number they can pick any of them and match them to my invoices with B&H and my profile on FM.



Mar 15, 2012 at 04:58 PM
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millsart wrote:
Because your worried that your preorder for one of everything might get canceled ??

Because even though there are literally hundreds of thousands of transactions with satisfied customers over the years you instead want to focus on ONE isolated incident ?

Yeah, that seems like a reasonable course of action to take.

I know that I've spend tens of thousands of dollars over a decade with them and have never had a problem one single time, but hey, someone I don't even know personally posted on an internet forum about spending $200k with them and having a problem (that still may be
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No, because the issue still isn't resolved, as you can see. It is f***ing pathetic and they've lost my business....and what business is that of yours?


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Mar 15, 2012 at 05:00 PM
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Wow, 2000 reads in 6 hours.

Just can't believe the public relations guy's response to something that's doing nothing other than generating bad press for them.

In a tough economic climate I would expect a much more "customer orientated" response.

I would seriously look at taking my business elsewhere.



Mar 15, 2012 at 05:01 PM
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Micky Bill wrote:
Geeze there are plenty of other places to buy stuff (Calumet, Canoga, Roperts Adorama,etc.), why make it difficult....you want PITA to deal with? Try walking into $amys! Watch 'em spin the price wheel.



QFT!!!!!

But that said, I think it needs pointing out that the issue here is that even if the OP goes elsewhere with his money, it doesn't fully remedy the problem, because these are in-demand items on pre-order, and he's lost his spot in line because B&H took his pre-order reservation in advance, only to cancel it shortly before the item would actually be sold. If the OP goes to another retailer he loses his priority, as they would not (and could not) recognize his spot in line.

The only full remedy is to reinstate his pre-order status and put him back on the list for the products that the OP pre-ordered. After that, I suppose he would be more than happy to spend his money elsewhere.



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