p.4 #1 · Samyang 24mm tilt-shift lens - now announced
retrofocus wrote:
I read quite often recently also in the Canon forum that members compare current Canon lenses with Zeiss and Leica lenses. This is like comparing apples and oranges IMO. Yes, I also believe that Leica and Zeiss stuff is severely overvalued/overpriced. Canon and Nikon lenses are very good but a notch below Zeiss and Leica. The same is true when comparing Samyang with Canon. Even it is amazing how far Samyang got in a short period of time, they are not equal to Canon (yet!). Don't get me wrong - I likely will be perfectly fine with a Samyang lens for my purposes. But price-wise it is a difference. And this needs to be taken into account - part of it is just paying for the name. Even I fully agree with your technical point of view above, a high price tag is not justified only because Canon glass is (more and more!) priced highly. Samyang needs to be competitive in this market - only way for them to succeed is with a much lower price. ...Show more →
that is just taking generalization too far. canon and nikon make better lenses than zeiss and leica, BUT leica and zeiss make better lenses than canon and nikon too. the same is true for samyang, e.g. the 85/1.4 is optically better (and cheaper) than the canon 85/1.8 but not quite as good as the 85/1.2. build quality is a different story, leica and zeiss are definitely better than canikon there, but it's easier to make a solid manual focus lens than an equally solid autofocus lens. most of the world actually thinks autofocus is necessary though. it's true canikon make a lot of crap, but that is mostly because unlike leica, zeiss, and even samyang they actually cater to the bottom end of the market as well as the higher end.
p.4 #2 · Samyang 24mm tilt-shift lens - now announced
Lars Johnsson wrote:
+1 if the optic is good and the lens also mechanical decent it will cost more than $ 400-500. I don't belive a T/S 24mm will cost less or even the same as the other Samyang 24mm lens
would you have thought a 35/1.4 could be made as good as the samyang is for the price it sells at a year ago?
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p.4 #3 · Samyang 24mm tilt-shift lens - now announced
sebboh wrote:
would you have thought a 35/1.4 could be made as good as the samyang is for the price it sells at a year ago?
I don't know if it's good or not good. I have not used the lens. But it cost $ 450-500. And I don't belive a T/S will cost the same or less
Even the new 24 non T/S lens cost about 35-45% more than the 35/1,4 in the shops that I have seen it in
p.4 #4 · Samyang 24mm tilt-shift lens - now announced
I'd guess it comes in at about the same price as the 24/1.4, in which case I think it should do quite well. I'd definitely take a good hard look at it for that price, as the T/S capability in a 24mm would be more useful to me than f/1.4 at that focal length.
p.4 #5 · Samyang 24mm tilt-shift lens - now announced
$500? No way... Samyang is trying to get away from being the cheap option, to being the value for money option, imo. So I expect optical quality better than Canon 24 TSE v1, and priced about the same $850. The mechanics I expect to be somewhat inferior to Canon's. Just to make the purchase decision tougher, Tilt/Shift will be fixed at 90° to each other.
p.4 #8 · Samyang 24mm tilt-shift lens - now announced
robinlee wrote:
My interest has drop on Samyang after the cost announcement for their new 24mm
I expect a new 24 T/S to be more expensive than the 24/1,4. And with Samyang build quality I don't think the build will be that good. $ 800 at least. And in Europe it will cost at least $ 1000-1200
p.4 #9 · Samyang 24mm tilt-shift lens - now announced
retrofocus wrote:
And I am sure it will. Canon's old 24 T/S is far too overpriced in the market since the price orients to the latest very expensive lens version. Below $500, better $400 is justified IMO.
Obviously the old 24 T/S is not overpriced in the used market when everybody is paying more than $ 400-500. Why should this L lens when used go down to a price way below half of it's new price No other L lens does this.
A new Samyang will probably cost $ 700-1000. And no way you can get it below $ 1k in Europe
p.4 #10 · Samyang 24mm tilt-shift lens - now announced
Any word on this? I desperately want a tilt/shift lens for my 5DIII (how anyone can shoot architecture or landscape without t/s lenses is beyond me), but the 24mm II is prohibitively expensive and the original doesn't have full enough control over which axis tilts and which shifts.
I get that the Canon is probably worth $2,000, but i can't afford it as I am a very casual hobbyist.
p.4 #11 · Samyang 24mm tilt-shift lens - now announced
Policar wrote:
Any word on this? I desperately want a tilt/shift lens for my 5DIII (how anyone can shoot architecture or landscape without t/s lenses is beyond me), but the 24mm II is prohibitively expensive and the original doesn't have full enough control over which axis tilts and which shifts.
I get that the Canon is probably worth $2,000, but i can't afford it as I am a very casual hobbyist.
Wrong priorities IMHO. I'd rather have a 5D2 + 24/3.5 II than a 5D3 and no TS lens.
p.4 #12 · Samyang 24mm tilt-shift lens - now announced
I agree, but I bought the camera body for video, and that's a priority for me over a T/S lens. Anyhow, I'm still hopeful the Samyang will have full movements and perform decently. Their other lenses seem quite good excepting the lack of AF (which will be a non-issue here, presumably).
p.4 #13 · Samyang 24mm tilt-shift lens - now announced
This is great, I've always thought that a 3rd party vendor should release a tilt shift lens. Anything to help drive down the cost of the current Canon offerings a bit.
p.4 #16 · Samyang 24mm tilt-shift lens - now announced
Looks interesting! I can't imagine it costing less than $1200, and probably not more than $1400 if it is optically amazing. I'd guess around $1250.
Definitely a fully manual throwback to an earlier non-electronic time, like the old Canon FD 35 TS or Nikon "Ai Era" PC lenses.
Even though the current EOS TS-E lenses don't have AF, I am certainly appreciative of electronic aperture and exif info being recorded. Same for the Zeiss ZE lenses. So, Samyang will have to be priced accordingly to attract the most buyers.
p.4 #18 · Samyang 24mm tilt-shift lens - now announced
Mescalamba wrote:
It can be quite cheap, TS-E lens are nothing too complicated..
Ever seen a cheap Medium Format 24mm lens? Makes you think again about the complicated design that's needed for such a lens.
p.4 #19 · Samyang 24mm tilt-shift lens - now announced
U.C. wrote:
Ever seen a cheap Medium Format 24mm lens? Makes you think again about the complicated design that's needed for such a lens.
medium format typically has a longer flange distance making it more complicated. the optics aren't necessarily any more complicated than some of the lenses samyang already makes. it's the need to actually make precision machined parts that makes T/S so expensive. autofocus has removed the need for a lot of precision in lens manufacturing and the tilt shift mechanism manufacturing can't really be shared with any higher volume products. the mechanism isn't complex though, it just requires a high level of precision.
No other L lens does this.
