p.3 #1 · Samyang 24mm tilt-shift lens - now announced
Well, I have to retract most of my 85mm complaints. Damn!
I just got back from trying the 85 and 35 wide open outdoors at our local mall. I had mixed some of my conclusions from past testing. It's been a few months since I shot either lens -- the impressions became sort of like how "Pulp Fiction" can remembered as having a regular time-line.
The 85 was great, with just a little CA. It's main frustration is the MFD -- I had to take a step back (over a foot) on several occasions, taking in a lot more scene than I wanted on close-ups.
The 35 had the vignetting and more pronounced CA.
But both are excellent performers wide open, if you are able to nail the focus. I got bitten on around 20% missed focus to one degree or another, moreso with the 35 than the 85.
p.3 #2 · Samyang 24mm tilt-shift lens - now announced
sebboh wrote:
from all the samples and tests i've seen, the biggest advantage the ZA has over the samyang is contrast. sharpness seems to be a wash (one is sharper in the center the other at the edge). ZA might have even worse loCA but slightly better laCA. the samyang wins the smooth bokeh challenge, whether you like that is another story. not sure about vignetting as that's not something i ever have any desire to get rid of. considering the ZA cost 4x as much, i'd say it's a good value.
I agree with most of what you're saying except for sharpness. At every aperture the ZA resolved more detail and had far better colors.
The Samyang seemed pretty muted. It also had a pretty crappy build just like the Samyang 14mm. It was just awful to feel and use and I didn't enjoy my time shooting with it.
For the price, it's not a bad lens and I guess there really aren't any good cheap 85mm F1.4 lenses out there. I just wish it was $100-$200 more and had better build quality and coatings.
p.3 #4 · Samyang 24mm tilt-shift lens - now announced
Gunzorro wrote:
Well, I have to retract most of my 85mm complaints. Damn!
I just got back from trying the 85 and 35 wide open outdoors at our local mall. I had mixed some of my conclusions from past testing. It's been a few months since I shot either lens -- the impressions became sort of like how "Pulp Fiction" can remembered as having a regular time-line.
The 85 was great, with just a little CA. It's main frustration is the MFD -- I had to take a step back (over a foot) on several occasions, taking in a lot more scene than I wanted on close-ups.
The 35 had the vignetting and more pronounced CA.
But both are excellent performers wide open, if you are able to nail the focus. I got bitten on around 20% missed focus to one degree or another, moreso with the 35 than the 85.
The Samy 85's MFD of 1m is the same for ZE85, Canon 85/1.2L (0.95m), and only Nikon 85/1.4G is slightly less at 0.85m.
Maybe you guys have been spoiled by the 100MP's MFD?
p.3 #5 · Samyang 24mm tilt-shift lens - now announced
Wayne -- Not me! I've got the 100L and 28-300L (also Contax Zeiss 80-200) to cover that 85mm spot, and they all go pretty close. But point taken! A meter seems a long way away for a tight portrait shot.
p.3 #7 · Samyang 24mm tilt-shift lens - now announced
It has to be way sub 1K.
I can get a Mirex tilt/shift adapter with an excellent Hasselblad Zeiss lens or Mamiya 645 lens for less. e.g. the Hasselblad Zeiss Planar 80mm or Mamiya 645 55mm are both excellent and affordable lenses.
p.3 #8 · Samyang 24mm tilt-shift lens - now announced
glacierpete wrote:
It has to be way sub 1K.
I can get a Mirex tilt/shift adapter with an excellent Hasselblad Zeiss lens or Mamiya 645 lens for less. e.g. the Hasselblad Zeiss Planar 80mm or Mamiya 645 55mm are both excellent and affordable lenses.
Now go and buy a 24 mm MF lens ( is there any)? I donīt think so.
p.3 #9 · Samyang 24mm tilt-shift lens - now announced
paulesko wrote:
Now go and buy a 24 mm MF lens ( is there any)? I donīt think so.
That's the conclusion I came to as well when I looked at the Mirex.
Would be fine for macro shots, but if you're looking for one for landscapes, the only thing you can put on it is a 35/2.8 Mamiya that's relatively new (and expensive)...I'm surprised Mamiya never made any 24 MF lens...
Mar 09, 2012 at 09:31 AM
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p.3 #10 · Samyang 24mm tilt-shift lens - now announced
Yakim Peled wrote:
It won't be. I'm sure it would sell for a lot less than the Canon and Nikon variants.
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
I don't think it would sell for a lot less than the Canon 24 TS-E mkI
p.3 #11 · Samyang 24mm tilt-shift lens - now announced
I hope those guys will shake the overpriced T/S lens market. Current Canon prices are ridiculously high - even the od version of the 24/3.5 T/S is hard to find for below $850. I hope Samyang prices their new lens far below this price tag, around $400-500. It is a manual lens - they should be able to deliver something nice.
p.3 #12 · Samyang 24mm tilt-shift lens - now announced
Lars Johnsson wrote:
I don't think it would sell for a lot less than the Canon 24 TS-E mkI
And I am sure it will. Canon's old 24 T/S is far too overpriced in the market since the price orients to the latest very expensive lens version. Below $500, better $400 is justified IMO.
Mar 09, 2012 at 10:12 AM
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p.3 #13 · Samyang 24mm tilt-shift lens - now announced
retrofocus wrote:
And I am sure it will. Canon's old 24 T/S is far too overpriced in the market since the price orients to the latest very expensive lens version. Below $500, better $400 is justified IMO.
p.3 #16 · Samyang 24mm tilt-shift lens - now announced
I think $400-500 is awfully optimistic, given both the mechanical complexity of this lens and recent Samyang prices. It's hard to see it selling if it's close to $1k, or higher, though. I'd bet it's somewhere in the $600-800 range -- and anything on the lower part of that range would be very aggressive.
p.3 #17 · Samyang 24mm tilt-shift lens - now announced
Smiert Spionam wrote:
I think $400-500 is awfully optimistic, given both the mechanical complexity of this lens and recent Samyang prices. It's hard to see it selling if it's close to $1k, or higher, though. I'd bet it's somewhere in the $600-800 range -- and anything on the lower part of that range would be very aggressive.
With $600-800 the Samyang would be close to the price tag of Canon's 24/3.5 T/S lens version I which is currently available around $850. I am sure Samyang wants to be competitive in price when releasing their first T/S model - best to be far below the $800 mark. There is IMO no reason to make a fully manual lens so expensive.
p.3 #18 · Samyang 24mm tilt-shift lens - now announced
retrofocus wrote:
With $600-800 the Samyang would be close to the price tag of Canon's 24/3.5 T/S lens version I which is currently available around $850. I am sure Samyang wants to be competitive in price when releasing their first T/S model - best to be far below the $800 mark. There is IMO no reason to make a fully manual lens so expensive.
Superb optical quality is a good reason to make a fully manual lens quite expensive. For the slow, deliberate setup required for T/S shots, a manual stop-down lens is unlikely to be noticeably inferior to Canon's already manual-focus-only options. If the Samyang is only as good as the Canon 24TS-E I, then it would be stupid for them to price it nearby. On the other hand, Samyang has an established history of making some surprisingly good lenses; it would not be unexpected for the new Samyang T/S to be markedly superior to the older Canon 24 TS-E, perhaps even near the TS-E II. In this case, an expensive price could be quite well justified. I might personally prefer that the Samyang sell for $200 for the sake of my own wallet, but I'd love if the Zeiss ZE/ZF lenses sold at that price, too. Zeiss seems to be doing just fine despite ignoring my personal pricing whims.
p.3 #19 · Samyang 24mm tilt-shift lens - now announced
mpmendenhall wrote:
Superb optical quality is a good reason to make a fully manual lens quite expensive. For the slow, deliberate setup required for T/S shots, a manual stop-down lens is unlikely to be noticeably inferior to Canon's already manual-focus-only options. If the Samyang is only as good as the Canon 24TS-E I, then it would be stupid for them to price it nearby. On the other hand, Samyang has an established history of making some surprisingly good lenses; it would not be unexpected for the new Samyang T/S to be markedly superior to the older Canon 24 TS-E, perhaps even near the TS-E II. In this case, an expensive price could be quite well justified. I might personally prefer that the Samyang sell for $200 for the sake of my own wallet, but I'd love if the Zeiss ZE/ZF lenses sold at that price, too. Zeiss seems to be doing just fine despite ignoring my personal pricing whims....Show more →
I read quite often recently also in the Canon forum that members compare current Canon lenses with Zeiss and Leica lenses. This is like comparing apples and oranges IMO. Yes, I also believe that Leica and Zeiss stuff is severely overvalued/overpriced. Canon and Nikon lenses are very good but a notch below Zeiss and Leica. The same is true when comparing Samyang with Canon. Even it is amazing how far Samyang got in a short period of time, they are not equal to Canon (yet!). Don't get me wrong - I likely will be perfectly fine with a Samyang lens for my purposes. But price-wise it is a difference. And this needs to be taken into account - part of it is just paying for the name. Even I fully agree with your technical point of view above, a high price tag is not justified only because Canon glass is (more and more!) priced highly. Samyang needs to be competitive in this market - only way for them to succeed is with a much lower price.
Mar 09, 2012 at 11:44 PM
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p.3 #20 · Samyang 24mm tilt-shift lens - now announced
Smiert Spionam wrote:
I think $400-500 is awfully optimistic, given both the mechanical complexity of this lens and recent Samyang prices. It's hard to see it selling if it's close to $1k, or higher, though. I'd bet it's somewhere in the $600-800 range -- and anything on the lower part of that range would be very aggressive.
+1 if the optic is good and the lens also mechanical decent it will cost more than $ 400-500. I don't belive a T/S 24mm will cost less or even the same as the other Samyang 24mm lens
( is there any)? I donīt think so.