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Ralph Conway
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Thxs JIrwin, NikkorAIS, dehowie, Gubat. Itīs a pleasure to read your commitments. And thank you those who PMed me, too.

Of Topic one:
But I wish to ask something to adrianb (and others). This is a photo forum (one that I like very much) and we are photographers. Why there is so often such a rude tone and why people choose this platform to agress others so often because of different opinion? I am here, to get informations and share somehow the most important activity in my life. I am not here to fight for/against anything/anybody. There is enough we all have to get along with outside in real life.

When I say: D800 is a great step ahead, I mean that. When I say, it does not support what I need, but 5D II does since 3 years, that is MY truth. There is no cause to fight against this "stupid" Canon fanboy, who does not see, how Canon takes our money and does not give us, what we need.
I purchased 5D II because it was best choice fullfilling most of my needs. When I was short before switching to Nikon at the D700 announcement a 65 year old Nikonian took me beside. "Why you do not just wait?" was his question. This camera (D700) is what we where waiting for since Canon brought out 5D. If I would not have this Nikon lenses collected since decades I would have switched sides 3 years ago. But you shoot Canon (I had my D50 with me). Wait a couple of weeks. There will be a follow up for 5D. He was right. And I purchased it. One of the best buys I ever did. And yes, I would like to grade up. To better high ISO (I would take better AF, too. But I do not need that. Higher ISO I do. I just developed 100 pictures of olympics done in horrible lighted locations, I shot yesterday for a customer. The shooting was 1.5 hours. Image deveolping needed 4. Three of them just for reducing noise without loosing to much IQ. If Canon brings out a 5D III at ISO 3.200 with noise of the actual 5D IIs 1600 I would purchase it tomorrow without any further features added on. It would just safe me 75% of time for the same todays job and earning. And of course I would say 5D III is great! I would understand that YOU would be still unhappy, "adrianb". But I would not care. I would be happy if Nikon or any other brand does fullfill your wishes (or mine). But I feel free, not to care about Nikon or other brands, if they would still not fullfill MY needs.

You own a 5D II and you whine about Canon and promotes Nikon. That is okay. But Canon did not "steal" your money. YOU gave it to them. If you think, this was wrong just sell the gear and buy what fullfills YOUR wishes, instead of talking to and trying to convince anybody "What you (like me) bought is Sh-t!" and fighting agains Canon and - more important - people, who say they are well served by them. I am happy when you are! Why are you not able to leave me happy with what I have and use? I am an old man now (yes, 50 is old ). But when I learned one thing,, it is: "Whenever anybody feels the need to convince anybody else with his opinion, he does not realy want to convince anybody else, but just himselve."

So why not let us be "www.fredmiranda.com" a platform to meet and exchange experience and information instead of using it as a platform to produce ourselves in bringing down others?

Sicerally
Ralph

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Back to topic:
As far I see, this thread is not mentioned to "WOW! Nikon has a 36MP whatever! - where is Canon?" The topic was just "1D X samples". Canon. I want to see more. And not ISO 100 but your promised ISO 51k, two stops better than 1D MK IV. You think it is possible to show us?


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Feb 09, 2012 at 07:22 AM
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Ralph

Well written. I agree that there is too much negativity here. If you think you can do better using a different system, move on and try it out. I currently own 4 Canon bodies, and have owned all of the 1D bodies (1D and 1Ds). I know use two 1d mk4's and would like an improvement in high ISO just like everyone else.

If Canon are moving to the Nikon model of high ISO lower megapixel, I can live with that. For most of what I shoot, I do not need more than 10 megapixels. I have enough issues with data storage at that size, having over 60 hard drives to store data.

Yes there are times high megapixel is great, but who needs a 50MB raw file?



Feb 09, 2012 at 07:46 AM
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S Dilworth wrote:
Canon's sample images always have massive noise reduction applied, and these are no exception. These images don't tell us anything that we didn't already strongly suspect. They're just fodder for the gullible.

I want to know if Canon has managed to improve the base-ISO dynamic range while still using off-sensor analogue-to-digital conversion. We already know this camera will be more or less the same as the D3S and D4 at very high ISOs, with the advantage of a few pixels and a higher burst rate.


Can i have your evidence that Canon apply noise reduction to sample images please?



Feb 09, 2012 at 07:51 AM
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Back to the samples... these are a lot better than the first ones they showed for the 1DsMkIII - now those were truly awful!




Feb 09, 2012 at 07:58 AM
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WarrenL wrote:
If Canon are moving to the Nikon model of high ISO lower megapixel, I can live with that. For most of what I shoot, I do not need more than 10 megapixels. I have enough issues with data storage at that size, having over 60 hard drives to store data.

Yes there are times high megapixel is great, but who needs a 50MB raw file?


The "Nikon model" was not high ISO, lower pixels. It was (and as far I see still is) same ISO at lower pixels. That is "All we ca do!"
It now changed to "highest pixel in low ISO" in the prosumer" field. But excellent gear and all features Canon user are asking for.

You do not need more than 10 MP. I do not need more then 20. We both need higher ISO. :-)
Lets see, what comes next. Maybe Canon really brings out the 1D X sensor and IQ to the consumer market :-) Nikon did before. So why not "we too"? I would be happy.

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Feb 09, 2012 at 08:00 AM
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Marcus Watts wrote:
Can i have your evidence that Canon apply noise reduction to sample images please?


The point is that if these samples don't have NR applied, we would really be out of luck



Feb 09, 2012 at 08:03 AM
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Hrow wrote:
Back to the samples... these are a lot better than the first ones they showed for the 1DsMkIII - now those were truly awful!


:-) YES. But this is not really an excuse for bad samples, right?



Feb 09, 2012 at 08:06 AM
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alundeb wrote:
They are talkning about system gain for a 12 Bit ADC on Nikon vs. 14 bit ADC on Canon. The system gain is the amplifiication from a sensor signal correspong to 1 e- to 1 ADU. Naturally it is 4 times higher for a 12 bit ADC. For both 14 bit conversions, the system gain with Nikon ISO 6400 corresponds to Canon ISO 2400. No promlem with that.


So why would they not compare 14bit D3 with 14 bit 40D?
Whatever. Don't worry about answering that.

Canon 40D is a great camera for astrophotography. I've used it many times. Still, no replacement for a cooled CCD monochrome camera.

We'll just take it as read as stated elsewhere that it's "fantasy land" that the D3 has good high ISO.
Moving on.



Feb 09, 2012 at 08:11 AM
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alundeb wrote:
The point is that if these samples don't have NR applied, we would really be out of luck


The point is that if these samples donīt have NR applied, I would really be lucky



Feb 09, 2012 at 08:13 AM
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No, Ralph, it is not an excuse. I remain puzzled by the reality that neither Canon nor DPR seem to know any competent photographers who would be willing to work for them. Either they are really bad clients to work for, incredibly cheap, or completely deluded as to their own artistic capabilities. Probably all three.


Feb 09, 2012 at 08:14 AM
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Hrow wrote:
No, Ralph, it is not an excuse. I remain puzzled by the reality that neither Canon nor DPR seem to know any competent photographers who would be willing to work for them. Either they are really bad clients to work for, incredibly cheap, or completely deluded as to their own artistic capabilities. Probably all three.


So again we stand alone. And have to wait for great artists, who buy that gear and do their thing ...
Fine. That gives us the truth or the possibility of a job. I would not mind if Canon would pay my years bills for travelling around and shoot. Its just 40.000 €/50.000 $. I guess about ten 1D X sold.

Contact me, Canon.

P.S.:
What was third?



Feb 09, 2012 at 08:21 AM
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Hrow wrote:
I remain puzzled by the reality that neither Canon nor DPR seem to know any competent photographers who would be willing to work for them. Either they are really bad clients to work for, incredibly cheap, or completely deluded as to their own artistic capabilities. Probably all three.


I thought these sightings of the 200-400 lens and 'mysterious' camera showed a Japanese Canon employee testing out the prototypes?



Feb 09, 2012 at 08:28 AM
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S Dilworth wrote:
Of course, so far a colour filter array over panchromatic silicon has been our best option by far. And for every additional improvement, the barrier to entry for competing technologies is raised that little bit higher. At this point nobody wants to fund alternatives because they'd have to spend a decade catching up with Bayer-based solutions (see Foveon for a good way to spend a fortune and get nowhere).


Canon has been researching alternatives. Alternatives promising better performance and lower production costs. Check out this patent application from 2009. Don't worry. Unlike the usual patent application, it won't put you to sleep within 30 seconds http://www.pat2pdf.org/pat2pdf/foo.pl?number=20090008735

Who knows when, if ever, this technology will appear in a real product. But I suspect it will be sooner rather than later. If it works as promised, it seems a better way of increasing image quality than the relentless pursuit of higher spatial resolution (of course it doesn't preclude that too).



Feb 09, 2012 at 08:47 AM
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Caaaaaaaanon! Saaaaamples! You must have something in the cubboard! Put it out!


Feb 09, 2012 at 03:41 PM
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Marcus Watts wrote:
Can i have your evidence that Canon apply noise reduction to sample images please?


just look at the waxing effects, especially on the ISO1600 one, if that is not NR then we are doomed since the camera would then actually suck for sure, assuming it's NR just means that it'll probably be fine in good hands with solid processing (granted, some people these days are so afraid of grain, they'd prefer artificial computer or wax carved renderings to even a hint of noise or grain, not I for one)




Feb 09, 2012 at 03:45 PM
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Something funny, BH is not listing the forthcoming 1DX on their website anymore.


Feb 10, 2012 at 02:42 AM
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mabidally wrote:
Something funny, BH is not listing the forthcoming 1DX on their website anymore.


That is because 1Dx had a price of $6800 and when D4 was announced @$6000 it made the 1dx less competitive. So competition is good



Feb 10, 2012 at 03:01 AM
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Its a shame Canon didn't put some more thought into these example images. The lighting was too simple.


Feb 10, 2012 at 03:09 AM
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I honestly think Canon must KNOW the samples aren't fantastic. I can't believe that a company the size of Canon couldn't produce some good samples *if they wanted to* and I also can't believe that one of the largest camera company in the world *don't know they're terrible*.

So my conclusion has to be that they choose for them to be poor photographs, possibly:
* so as not to take away from what you're supposed to be doing ie. technically assessing the camera?
* so as not to make photographers feel intimidated?

.. I don't know, but I just can't believe they don't do this on purpose.



Feb 10, 2012 at 04:26 AM
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May be the samples they did where so good that viewers died on heart desease?

That would be a worthy explanation to me. They just want to safe our lifes.
We have to purchase the camera first and can die LATER.
After we saw the first couple of best shots we did ever ...



Feb 10, 2012 at 04:56 AM
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