That said I suppose if you're the kind of person who would actually remember to set the camera to sRAW and back to RAW for maybe the portraits, then maybe you're the kind of person who would rememeber to go from RAW to JPG depending on the circumstance:
bridal getting ready, b/g portraits, family/bridal portraits in RAW, everything else in JPG
But I'm not *THAT GUY* so I really would have preferred an sRAW setting.
And a side note, I think a lot of people are going to be buying, then selling the D800E. I have very serious reservations a bout buying a camera without a proper AA filter. To be honest, with 36MP at hand, the AA filter becomes less and less of an issue. By the time you downsize and sharpen a bit, pixel level detail is going to be crazy good.
canerino wrote:
an 18mp sRAW would make this the perfect camera for wedding photographers.
I am betting that Nikon will release a firmware update with sRaw capabilities attached at a later date.
Hopefully....
If that happens it will be amazing and I will buy 2.
Most interesting for me is that this is a marked departure from a few years back when the D3 and D700 coexisted side by side. Same sensor and image quality in two different packages.
Now we have a D4 and D800 with very different sensors and apparently different missions. Professional photojournalists have their D4, landscape and studio shooters should be quite pleased with this new D800 as should budding cinematographers.
It looks like only wedding pros, who often struggle with maintaining acceptable shutter speeds in dark environments, have been left out of the loop.
I am not interested in the D800 because: 1) I want BETTER noise performance NOT more pixels, 2) I want TWO CF slots (I am not buying a new set of SD cards), 3) I am keeping my D700's as backups and do not want to buy new battery grips and new batteries which are not backward compatible, 4) I am not replacing my fleet of 8GB CF cards to accommodate this 36MP monster.
Clearly D3S is the direction I am going but I am still holding out a glimmer of hope that Nikon may yet produce a camera for us. With all of the crop sensor cameras in their current line up there just might be room for a FULL FRAME D400 with the D4 sensor. Yeah, I know, dream on
Anyways...time check the prices on used D3S's on EBAY...
hardlyboring wrote:
I am betting that Nikon will release a firmware update with sRaw capabilities attached at a later date.
Hopefully....
If that happens it will be amazing and I will buy 2.
if that happens AND canon doesnt release something 'good', i might buy two too!
martinezphoto wrote:
Most interesting for me is that this is a marked departure from a few years back when the D3 and D700 coexisted side by side. Same sensor and image quality in two different packages.
Now we have a D4 and D800 with very different sensors and apparently different missions. Professional photojournalists have their D4, landscape and studio shooters should be quite pleased with this new D800 as should budding cinematographers.
It looks like only wedding pros, who often struggle with maintaining acceptable shutter speeds in dark environments, have been left out of the loop.
I am not interested in the D800 because: 1) I want BETTER noise performance NOT more pixels, 2) I want TWO CF slots (I am not buying a new set of SD cards), 3) I am keeping my D700's as backups and do not want to buy new battery grips and new batteries which are not backward compatible, 4) I am not replacing my fleet of 8GB CF cards to accommodate this 36MP monster.
Clearly D3S is the direction I am going but I am still holding out a glimmer of hope that Nikon may yet produce a camera for us. With all of the crop sensor cameras in their current line up there just might be room for a FULL FRAME D400 with the D4 sensor. Yeah, I know, dream on
Anyways...time check the prices on used D3S's on EBAY......Show more →
While it may seem that Nikon has ignored high ISO with this camera, keep in mind it does go up to ISO 6400 with expansion to 25.6k. This is the same as the 5DII (with actual performance probably better).
With a little downsizing and noise reduction, this camera is likely going to give VERY good results at high ISO.
I've got a feeling that the 36 megapixel files downrezzed to something tiny and insignificant like 20 megapixels is going to cream pretty much everything else out there for noise...
Beni wrote:
I've got a feeling that the 36 megapixel files downrezzed to something tiny and insignificant like 20 megapixels is going to cream pretty much everything else out there for noise...
Thats definitely an interesting observation and I bet your right.
I suspect it's coming very soon. Canon is more or less done with it and has been sitting on the announcement. Now that Nikon's cat is out of the bag, they don't have a reason to wait anymore.
Other than to work out how to salvage the wreckage. It's going to be a 36 megapixel FF 7D and unless the price is significantly less, you'd have to be crazy to buy it over a D800.
canerino wrote:
if that happens AND canon doesnt release something 'good', i might buy two too!
Thirded!
As for the 5DIII announcement, I hope you're right Jamie and I hope it's not simply a hi-res 5D plus 7D AF else I'll probably be bailing in some form or other.
Beni wrote:
Other than to work out how to salvage the wreckage. It's going to be a 36 megapixel FF 7D and unless the price is significantly less, you'd have to be crazy to buy it over a D800.
Why?
Resolution? Nope
ISO? The Canon will probably be superior
Build? Nope
Frame rate? Nope
Video? Nope
AF? Probably not
The only thing wrong with the 5DII was the AF system. With an enhanced version of the 7D's AF system - which is likely - Nikon's advantage in this segment is much smaller. Don't forget that the D800's AF is roughly the same as the D700's - so Nikon didn't exactly reinvent the wheel this time around.
From a perspective of “sufficiency”, and of course we’re discussing a hypothetical 5Dm3, it’s ludicrous to think Canon will let their new camera stray very far from the D800. I mean, look how bloody similar the 1Dx and D4 are, you’d almost think Nikon & Canon collude with their product announcements.
Will a 7D-class AF match the D800’s performance? Maybe not, but it’ll be close enough to be sufficient.
Will perhaps a 25-30MP sensor match the results that 36MP will provide? Probably not, but it’ll be close enough.
Will one camera shoot incrementally better than the other at high ISO? Maybe a stop or two, but once we’re at 6400 we’ve already reached sufficiency in my opinion.
Build quality? FPS? Specsmanship? Yeah, they’ll be reasonably comparable. Which of these incrementally better items would make a fully invested Canon shooter switch?
The one area I could see Canon really pushing things is in video. Do you put 4k video, or raw 1080p, in a 5Dm3 knowing you have C300 in the wings? Because the D800 matches what the 5Dm2 did a few years ago, basically, but not a whole lot more.
