One other argument I find interesting is when people say "Oh it's got a million megapixels so I can shoot loose and crop later...". I want to smack you guys up side the head when I hear that! Everyone who loves shooting at F1.ridiculous for creamy DOF, etc... remember, when you back up to frame loose, you lose all of that DOF goodness in the first place. In my eyes, it needs to be framed right in the camera as often as humanly possible. Use your sensor, use your lenses, make your DOF how you envision it.
Glad i am not the only one who notices .... it like people can not get composition when shooting the picture.....
as on the fly wedding shooter that we are .... this is kind of part of the skill set.
Ziffl3 wrote:
Glad i am not the only one who notices .... it like people can not get composition when shooting the picture.....
as on the fly wedding shooter that we are .... this is kind of part of the skill set.
1) overhead ultra wide with fisheye or 14-24
2) Formal poses with groups where you are using great backdrop and you want any enlarged crop factor they want
3) pj shooting action where you are using center point but want rule of thirds composition
Picture in a picture is hard to see often times right out of the shoot
this fashion photographer sees "slices" and "saturation" advantages with d800
I don't understand everyone's negative reaction to the MP size. While 36mp sounds like a lot (and clearly it is more than most of the Nikon cameras before it), it is the same pixel density as the D7000 crop body. Obviously being a full frame sensor means the total MP is much higher.
I actually think the D800 is a great option for a wedding photographer. The ISO range is going to be very respectable. It obviously is not designed for the sports photographer who need a faster FPS and better ISO range.
Now I wouldn't have expected a lot of D700 users to rush out to upgrade, but I think the body will grow on people as soon as they see the real life images from it. Nikon has already pulled preorders due to high demand, so there must be a lot of people interested in it already.
1) overhead ultra wide with fisheye or 14-24
2) Formal poses with groups where you are using great backdrop and you want any enlarged crop factor they want
3) pj shooting action where you are using center point but want rule of thirds composition
Picture in a picture is hard to see often times right out of the shoot
this fashion photographer sees "slices" and "saturation" advantages with d800
MAC ... it is this ability to "see" that separates the men from the boys..... (excluding the business side for a second)
david1234 wrote:
I might just have to sell theee ole 5dII for this
Na, be patient - all Nikon did was a FF d7000
Now that the pressure is on Canon will do a FF 7d which will be 46 MPXL with a 2.6 size sensor with better noise than the 7d and perhaps 1/4 RGGB binning which would be 11.5 MPXL for normal size print shooting up to 12x18 so you just hit the switch when you get to higher print output needs
sboerup wrote:
Amazon just told me the expected shipping date for my D800.....
January 2013
hahaha
I am 3 or 4th on the list at Midwest Photo for one. Still unsure if I want to get one so early. I really do not need it now. The rumors they are telling me are Mid March for shipping.
•D800 "sizes". A lot of people seem confused by "size" versus "crop." The D800 supports Large, Medium, and Small sizes for JPEG and TIFF. It supports 1.2x and DX (1.5x) crops for NEF, JPEG, and TIFF. Can you shoot an image that stores in a smaller number of MBs? Sure. With JPEG and TIFF pick the smaller sizes, whichdownsample from the full frame. With NEF, it's trickier: you can pick a smaller frame crop to get smaller sized files, but you're also cropping from the full sensor, not downsampling.
Joshua Gull wrote:
So happy I got a D3s last year and didn't wait for this or the D4.
Between film + the D3s I won't be buying another camera for years and years and years.
Remember when I said this on the first page of this thread?
Well, yeah...
I just sold my D3s. To get a D800.
Why?
Well a few reasons, some of which are unique to my situation.
First and fore most I'm shooting more and more film so the larger file size doesn't bother me as much. That's a huge determining factor.
Going beyond that though, I really liked the D700 but had a few issues with it that the D800 solves.
I was fine with the high ISO noise levels of the D700 but it was terrible at maintaining color detail. The D800 seems to have improved upon that by all accounts that I've heard and seen so far. And I'm not so sure I'm gaining much with the extra two stops of ISO performance in the D3s anyway. With f/1.4 glass I've already made up the two stops difference the D3s was getting me with the f/2.8 zooms anyway.
The D800 also has dual card slots and a 100% viewfinder, the other two issues I had with the D700.
I'm also really intrigued by the DX mode, especially if the rumors I've heard about it not masking but showing guide lines within the viewfinder are true. It would almost replicate looking through a rangefinder so that you could see what was just outside of your frame. Slap a 24mm lens on in DX mode and it acts like a 35mm effective focal length. You've got one of the huge advantages of a rangefinder viewfinder and smaller file sizes. That's an awesome documentary-setup.
For me, I plan to pick up a D800 and minimize my lens collection as well. Right now I carry four lenses on a wedding day, two of which are huge zooms. With the D800 I essentially have two lenses in one with the switch to DX mode, so I can have a 24mm in FX or 35mm in DX for documentary coverage and a 85mm in FX for portraits or 127mm in DX for ceremony work, and that's all I'd carry most of the day in digital gear. That's way better than lugging a D3s and four lenses around all day. Not to mention the cost difference. I'm coming out with almost $3500 extra in my pocket compared to where I was with my D3s setup.
In fact the price is so nice and the weight and size is so small without the grip that I could essentially just get two D800 bodies, one with a 24mm and one with a 85mm, and be set for most of the day without ever having to worry about carrying a bag full of lenses around with me.
I wrote this camera off at first, but the more I dig into what it's capable of the more I realize it's a perfect fit for what I need it for. Can't wait to get my hands on one.
Oh and I forgot to mention the low-light AF improvements (the D3s is nice but it still struggles at times, even though it's high ISO low light image quality is top notch).
I've also heard the D800 will have the expanded dynamic range that the D7000 has if I understand correctly, which is just another bonus.
On file size, I just went and looked. Between my second and I we shot 50GB at our last wedding. I get trigger happy, especially in low light to make sure I got the shot. Larger file sizes out of camera will make me be more mindful and deliberate as well. That's a bonus as far as I'm concerned.
And to the above note about DOF, I personally wouldn't be shooting portraits in DX mode. When I'm going to be in DX mode it will be to document something with either a 24mm or 85mm lens on for 35mm and 130mm effective focal lengths. I'll be shooting some type of prep, the ceremony, or the reception so I won't need ultra shallow DOF, but I still do gain the light-gathering capabilities of a f/1.4 prime if need be. This is a non-issue IMO.
Right now my biggest issue is making sure I can get one before my first wedding of the year (not until May). I really don't want to have to buy a D700 or D3 to tide me over until the D800s are shipping.
I got to play with a D800 for about 20 minutes at WPPI. It looks freaking awesome. The resolution was definitely perceivable. At 6400 the images looked really good (on the back of the screen).
At the same time, the 1DX is a freaking beast of a camera, just wow.
That D800 has me wondering about whether it's a good camera for commercial and portrait work... I'd have to get a grip for it though, I hate ungripped bodies.
sboerup wrote:
I got to play with a D800 for about 20 minutes at WPPI. It looks freaking awesome. The resolution was definitely perceivable. At 6400 the images looked really good (on the back of the screen).
At the same time, the 1DX is a freaking beast of a camera, just wow.
Spencer .... care to lay a little more on the 'wow' and/or 'freaking beast'?
Thanks for posting the link but I have to say that is the WORST comparison test in the history of the world. I bet the Phoenicians did a better job when they compared boat paddles.
D800 - looked like a much more polished Nikon. It seemed much easier to use. I wanted to see if it was sharp at f/2.8 with some lenses, and it was. It's not 36mp of just resolution, but actually sharp resolution...thats what I was most concerned about. I tried it with a grip on and hated it.
The 1DX has soooo many new buttons and controls, focus points and everything...it's freaking killer. It felt SOOO good in the hands. D800 didn't. Crossing fingers on this next "rumor" for Feb 28th announcement of a 5DX. It better be freaking real.
sboerup wrote:
D800 - looked like a much more polished Nikon. It seemed much easier to use. I wanted to see if it was sharp at f/2.8 with some lenses, and it was. It's not 36mp of just resolution, but actually sharp resolution...thats what I was most concerned about. I tried it with a grip on and hated it.
The 1DX has soooo many new buttons and controls, focus points and everything...it's freaking killer. It felt SOOO good in the hands. D800 didn't. Crossing fingers on this next "rumor" for Feb 28th announcement of a 5DX. It better be freaking real.
thanks Spencer.
I am thinking if you have not played with or worked a 7D, and just coming from the 5D(II); the ID-X is going to be like a entire new ball game.
(I did not mean to leave out an 1DIV drivers - just not many shooters rockin' weddings with it)
I really have fun shooting the 7D. We all love to bang on IQ - which is justified. But it is a blast to rock at work ... be it weddings, e-sessions ... what-ever.
little things like when in matrix/evaluative metering mode and shooting with one AF point, the camera will place more weight on the AF location for exposure. Yes, other 1D camera have this feature, but how many 5D shooters will have fun working this feature.
