Very interesting!!! I had a call from Camera Exchange in Melbourne about 1 hour ago, and they placed an order for 20 of Fujifilm X-Pro1 cameras. They are anticipating delivery late February at a price of AUD$2,500 for the body with the 35/1.4 lens. I have now one officially on order.
charles.K wrote:
Very interesting!!! I had a call from Camera Exchange in Melbourne about 1 hour ago, and they placed an order for 40 of Fujifilm X-Pro1 cameras. They are anticipating delivery late Janaury, early Feb at a price of AUD$2,500 for the body with the 35/1.4 lens. I have now one officially on order.
That early? Wow. I thought is was going to be at least March. I hope it ships that early.
Its all totally relative, using a fullframe 35mm as a reference is simply because when digital came out its what a lot of photographers were used to and there wasn't much in the way of APS-C lenses.
If you grew up shooting with a 50mm, then sure, you think in terms of 50mm, but if like many of the new generation you never even shot film, and only have had DSRL's, likely APS-C, then you think of your 35mm lens as if its a 50, a 24mm is the "new" 35mm and so forth.
On my X100 for example, I think of its as a 35mm FOV, I don't go around calling it a 23mm lens, because its the FOV that really is what matters and how I "see"
DOF differences etc etc are there sure, but doesn't matter if its my S95, X100, or even my 4x5 camera, its all about relative equivilents and to me, yes thats still in terms of a FF 35mm sensor because its what I grew up with, but someone picking up a camera today, well they may just think of 23mm on their X100 as what a 23mm lenses looks like.
All relative
michael49 wrote:
I like my APS-C sensor cameras, but its just not the same as FF. A true fast 35mm on FF produces a perspective that is very difficult to replicate on APS-C.
Give me a FF mirrorless camera for me to use my MF 28mm, 35mm, 50mm and 85mm lenses and I'll be a happy camper.
charles.K wrote:
Very interesting!!! I had a call from Camera Exchange in Melbourne about 1 hour ago, and they placed an order for 20 of Fujifilm X-Pro1 cameras. They are anticipating delivery late February at a price of AUD$2,500 for the body with the 35/1.4 lens. I have now one officially on order.
Full details and specs will available on Monday
wasnt it supposed to be 1,300 euro including lens?
rscheffler wrote:
The M9 is more than just a FF sensor.
The M9 is the only digital camera designed for manual focusing
All other digital cameras are designed primarily for AF, with some offering a crippled version of MF as an supplement.
Until another digital MF camera comes along, the M9 is in a league of its own. No competition.
Spyro P. wrote:
wasnt it supposed to be 1,300 euro including lens?
This is what I was quoted, and I of course I will confirm this price again. But I at least I am in front of the line for now, and see whether the Fuji lives up to the hype
Spyro P. wrote:
The M9 is the only digital camera designed for manual focusing
All other digital cameras are designed primarily for AF, with some offering a crippled version of MF as an supplement.
Until another digital MF camera comes along, the M9 is in a league of its own. No competition.
I would argue that the Nex evf with manual lenses competes quite well with my rangefinders, in terms of manual focusing.
rsolti13 wrote:
Wow this looks like my dream machine
Question on the external autofocus system....I'm assuming this is to help speed up the AF that plagues the X100. How is an external af system better than a ttl? Would this provide for more accuracy as well?
On my medium format Fuji GA645 there is an external AF system, in this case to provide autofocus on a mirrorless camera. The advantage to using it on the new camera might be to retain phase detect focusing if Fuji does not think their contrast detect can perform well enough.
carstenw wrote:
Erm, what? In normal sensors, there are 4 photosites under the RGBG colour array, i.e. one pixel for each colour.
On the other hand, I guess I used the term subpixels wrong, which is I guess what you are reacting to. I meant 6 pixels to each full colour. Or, alternatively, there are 6 pixels but 2 of them are not colour, but maybe small and large and clear, to give more dynamic range? There are all kinds of possibilities here. We will have to wait for the marketing blurb I guess.
FWIW, Sony experimented with alternate CFAs in the F828, and used one emerald instead of one green, to get some better blue-green transitions I guess, but I suppose it didn't work out since they didn't keep it....Show more →
Extra smaller pixels is something Fuji already used in their SuperCCD sensors, which if I remember right used octagonal sensor sites with smaller square sensor sites inbetween to handle highlights. Do not recall if they used a different color filter pattern but it might have been diagonal like on the EXR sensors.
This camera is just so much more interesting than then NEX. A properly sized body, lenses which are actually smaller than FF, three primes and no bloody zooms, Fuji just gets it where Sony falls flat. I hope Fuji cleans up the menus though. If this is any good, I have found my walkabout camera. I am toying with the idea of pre-ordering the whole kit although I really shouldn't. First I need to know if it will be usable with FF lenses and adapters.
It's certainly the most interesting mirrorless camera to date, if it lives up to the specs. I think the adapters will come, just like they came for the NEX. The adapter manufacturers seem to understand this market much better than the camera manufacturers.
millsart wrote:
Its all totally relative, using a fullframe 35mm as a reference is simply because when digital came out its what a lot of photographers were used to and there wasn't much in the way of APS-C lenses.
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All relative
This forum is almost entirely about the use of FF lenses on cameras that weren't designed for them. Hence (wanting to use those lenses), having an FF sensor is desirable. If you don't care about alt lenses (such as M mount lenses in this case) but are willing to buy the new OEM lenses, then it's no longer so important of course.
douglasf13 wrote:
I would argue that the Nex evf with manual lenses competes quite well with my rangefinders, in terms of manual focusing.
I'm sure it does Douglas, but it's not built primarily for MF
When you hold a camera that is made with MF in mind, you know it. Just one look through the VF is usually enough.
plus you get other bonuses like less battery needs, no adapters for proper MF lenses, a simpler machine with no irrelevant buttons and menus, lower cost or more investment in crucial parts like the VF etc
For the MF shooter these are small annoyances that ultimately make one big annoyance.
freaklikeme wrote:
It's certainly the most interesting mirrorless camera to date, if it lives up to the specs. I think the adapters will come, just like they came for the NEX. The adapter manufacturers seem to understand this market much better than the camera manufacturers.
Well, camera manufacturers are also lens manufacturers and it is this double role that keeps them from being open to the adapter stuff. And frankly, when on holyday, I rarely see somebody with als lenses out of all the people with cams out there ( even if with the mirrorless cams and video, the demand for alt lenses has increased ).
