I think the whole point of the exercise here is to improve the dynamic range and possible to achieve some of the "shoulder" of film stock. They have done this before, and if they pull this off again, the files will most likely be much more pleasing than most other cameras. I am definitely interested!
Just two things to wait for really....actual reviews of the actual camera to be published....and a few months to allow the launch price to morph into something more affordable....
carstenw wrote:
You are just imagining things Seriously, so now Fuji has copied the Leica M (X100) and the Contax G2 (X-Pro 1). What is next, the Hasselblad V camera?
I am holding out for their Alpa copy.
anthonygh wrote:
Just two things to wait for really....actual reviews of the actual camera to be published....and a few months to allow the launch price to morph into something more affordable....
You are now the third guy in this thread to use the Vitruvian Man as your avatar. You guys (anthonygh, alba63, slungu) need to spend 5 minutes creating an avatar from one of your photos
carstenw wrote:
I think the whole point of the exercise here is to improve the dynamic range and possible to achieve some of the "shoulder" of film stock. They have done this before, and if they pull this off again, the files will most likely be much more pleasing than most other cameras. I am definitely interested!
I'll wait anxiously. Most likely it won't be on the market in Norway before june/july, so I guess I'll have plenty of time to read early reviews
carstenw wrote:
You are now the third guy in this thread to use the Vitruvian Man as your avatar. You guys (anthonygh, alba63, slungu) need to spend 5 minutes creating an avatar from one of your photos
Ok, so in order to easily differentiate us, there are only two left
Official (sort of) specs published in the French Reponses Photo magazine, translated digest - my take: Fuji X-Pro 1 - the better Leica M9 for the rest of us
From Reponses Photo issue 239 page 8 Fuji unveils its new X100 digital viewfinder interchangeable lens successor camera. Now with an APS-C size CMOS sensor said to rival the best, mostly because of its special 'random' photosite arangement, no Bayer filter variant, similar but different to Leica's approach. Congratulations, Fuji, for having the balls to innovate intelligently!
(Kudos, also to Sigma, Ricoh, Olympus and Sony..)
I was considering the Sony NEX-7 but the lack of decent lenses is a serious negative compared to the Fuji.
FYI I have posted the page (one page, paper only from Reponses Photo issue 239 page 8 ) - well part of it so I don't get sued for copyright infringement, with a translation of the salient points. This magazine said it had a preview/ leak in december that has been officially confirmed by Fuji altho I could find no such traces on the web.
Note that in the past Olympus also had preferred talking to the French enthusiasts about their 4/3 cams.
From Réponses Photo issue 239 page 8 - Fuji unveils its new X100 digital viewfinder interchangeable lens successor camera. Now with an APS-C size CMOS sensor said to rival the best, mostly because of its special 'random' photosite arangement, no Bayer filter variant, similar but different to Leica's approach
Digest from this article published on non-digital paper in the French press:
The X-Pro 1 arrives in March and should have people talking about its design as well as its Image Quality
..Fuji has confirmed earlier rumors published here by publishing the camera's details. It will hit the shelves around March. According to our information it should retail for Euro 1,300 as kit with the 35mm lens. Fuji also confirmed a new APS-C (1.5X) sensor with the X-Trans Fuji developed technology.
Resolution (pixel count) has not been communicated, Fuji preferring to talk of resolving power equal to if not superior to 24x36 sensors (Full Frame) ..
millsart wrote:
Its all totally relative, using a fullframe 35mm as a reference is simply because when digital came out its what a lot of photographers were used to and there wasn't much in the way of APS-C lenses.
If you grew up shooting with a 50mm, then sure, you think in terms of 50mm, but if like many of the new generation you never even shot film, and only have had DSRL's, likely APS-C, then you think of your 35mm lens as if its a 50, a 24mm is the "new" 35mm and so forth.
On my X100 for example, I think of its as a 35mm FOV, I don't go around calling it a 23mm lens, because its the FOV that really is what matters and how I "see"
DOF differences etc etc are there sure, but doesn't matter if its my S95, X100, or even my 4x5 camera, its all about relative equivilents and to me, yes thats still in terms of a FF 35mm sensor because its what I grew up with, but someone picking up a camera today, well they may just think of 23mm on their X100 as what a 23mm lenses looks like.
I will also go out on a limb and say that things like adaptability and focus peaking will not be big priorities for Fuji - if they have designed lenses they believe to be top performers on their new system, I doubt they'd be that willing (at least to start) to cannibalize their own gear offerings.
corposant wrote:
100% agree - it's a first in FM history!
I will also go out on a limb and say that things like adaptability and focus peaking will not be big priorities for Fuji - if they have designed lenses they believe to be top performers on their new system, I doubt they'd be that willing (at least to start) to cannibalize their own gear offerings.
Given the projected prices of these lenses and provided they live up to what Fuji is capable of producing, adaptability may be a non issue for most as it would be very difficult to find class leading glass such as a 27/2 and 52 1.4 equivalent focal lengths at the price Fuji is asking, particularly if that 35 1.4 is included as part of an initial, relatively inexpensive kit.
slungu wrote:
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Well, camera manufacturers are also lens manufacturers and it is this double role that keeps them from being open to the adapter stuff...
With alle these electronic contacts I could imaging that they have much communication between lens and camera. And sadly without this communication the camera would not operate..
Probably the communicate the distance and focal length and lens type to get exact vignetting correction. And this communication is patented - some years without adapters.
We have to realize, that adapting / converting lenses is hobby of only a few photographers. and those are not best direct customers of lens manufacturers.
nycandre wrote:
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Resolution (pixel count) has not been communicated, Fuji preferring to talk of resolving power equal to if not superior to 24x36 sensors (Full Frame) ..
Sounds very much like they have a very different approach than Bayer pattern. Not only six color/grey/clear different sites. But probably hexagonal or some kind of random. Or probably their 16 megapixel with each six "colors" - that would be beyond lens resolution, no AA filter needed. Debayering and noise reduction, and downsampling to 16 RGB megapixel. Due to clear pixels not as much noise as a Bayer RGB sensor would have with this pixel size. With the noise reduction out of all 6 subpixel I could imaging that they have comparable noise like Canon and Nikon - and without AA filter same or To claim to have 16x6 megapixel without exact describtion and showing pictures / give the media test cameras, would give a big negative talk in photogaphy forums.
nycandre wrote:
FYI I have posted the page (one page, paper only from Reponses Photo issue 239 page 8 ) - well part of it so I don't get sued for copyright infringement, with a translation of the salient points. This magazine said it had a preview/ leak in december that has been officially confirmed by Fuji altho I could find no such traces on the web.
Honestly, I would not post a part of an article on flickr that shows a photo you did not take yourself, and also unnecessary to show the article on the left, just cut it off and only show small text portions of the x1pro article. Unlikely they will sue anyone because this article scan/ photo has been shown around quite a bit, but you never know.
Now for the info, what they said is that after all the rumours Fujifilm contacted them directly beginning of January (2012 or course) to basically confirm the existance of the camera, with leaving out the exact resultion (in megapixels) just stating that it would be "equal or even better than FF sensors" - which of course is vague, could mean the sensor of the Contax N1 digital, or the D3/ d700 sensor (12MP) - whatever.
As this sensor has a modified CFA (a variation of the classic Bayer filter approach which groups 4 photosites regularyly) and will come without an AA filter, I expect pics to be still 16MP, but very sharp - but nothing like 24MP let alone higher...
ZoneV wrote:
To claim to have 16x6 megapixel without exact describtion and showing pictures / give the media test cameras, would give a big negative talk in photogaphy forums.
Yes, and of course it would be wrong. It IS a 16MP sensor, probably Sony base, with just a different CFA arrangement and no AA required (at least this is what Fuji thinks). As Sony has already updated this sensor with the 24MP variant found in the Nex-7, they probably sell this sensor quite cheap, and allows Fuji to keep the price of their camera reasonable.
But with a more or less normal filter array (only 6 instead of 4 filters) I wonder why Fuji will not talk about resolution, but only resolving power. But ok, it would be one method to make it a bit different to the normal BAYEr pattern based cameras.
Probably we get realy all important information on Monday :-)
So, now I am without Internet till Monday.
I dont think that I would buy such a camera. But the probably new sensor / CFA technology gives me enough to think till then :-)
The "irregular" is very interesting. But I am not sure at which resolution an irregular pattern would be helpful. I could not imaging that at 6 megapixels irregularity would help. At the resolving power of film the irregularity helps a lot. Or with the human eye.
