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It would be great to see this thread not locked, or deleted. Let's be nice.

I learned an amazing amount at Genesis which I attended this November. It was unbelievable for every single aspect of my photography business. I can promise you Marc, even though you aren't going to ever go considering you have a very successful business, that you would learn a lot from a workshop like that. I imagine both Genesis and the other one would be great. Just a big price difference for me...

Seriously Genesis blew my mind.

Skinny b-baller and the girl with pretty eyes - If anyone knows more about their business than him I would be shocked. His branding talk got me thinking about my business and my direction and will truly change how I market/brand/sell myself. Confidence in who I want to be and who I already am.

Wolf Moon - Creativity is not just born although some instantly have it. His howling opened my eyes in a way of shooting that isn't natural to me...yet, and I can't say how much I am looking forward to this upcoming season. AWESOME.

The Philipino dude - Yeah, his lighting is bad ass, but his ability to market and forethought for his business is even on another level. I can't thank him enough for the discussion we had after class from about 10 pm to 1 am where I learned how to present myself, or at least got an idea of how to be a baller. Seriously. I was not expecting that from him, thinking all he's going to show me is how to make dramatic portraits. He was unreal.

Army guy - I don't know how to explain this guy's talk except to say that it gave me a reason to shoot. Not just get a moment but try to get a story, and it made sense.

The Southern Charm team - No one comes as prepared to have people want you as these two. When meeting them as a client they have no choice but to book. I learned soooo much from them on a business/family perspective. From presentation to having a family life while still honoring your photography job was an inspiration. It will change how me and my family handle the stresses of my day job and photography. And aside from that they gave me a real kick in the pants to get polished.

Seriously. This workshop was incredible. I apologize for my terrible writing and I hope it kind of made sense. If I ever feel like I know it all it is probably time to quit. I feel that way with my day job as a marine electrician for the navy. There's always someone who knows more, there's always someone who can teach you a new trick or even change your perspective and I'd be foolish to think that I'm ever going to be the best, but I can get better.

Can't wait for G3, Vegas style

Play nice in here!

Shane






Dec 12, 2011 at 01:01 AM
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Nope. There isn't anyone out there that would make me want to spend $200 let alone $2000 or more just to hear them speak or watch them do a "live shoot". I don't think there is anyone that knows more than me in the areas that matter most. I already know how to be treat my clients. What's a workshop going to teach me that I don't already know when it comes to treating people? What about the technical side of photography? For me, if there is an image I love from a photographer I can look at it and
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It sounds like you are in a very happy place not only with your photography & art, but also in your business. And that's really amazing & difficult to do. Some people need to go to school, others workshops & some don't. If you're happy w/ where you are & don't really need anything else, that's awesome & I really mean it. Sounds like you've reached where you want to be both in your career, creativity, business & life and my goal is to reach that one day.
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Dec 12, 2011 at 03:25 AM
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ShaneMD wrote:
It would be great to see this thread not locked, or deleted. Let's be nice.

I learned an amazing amount at Genesis which I attended this November. It was unbelievable for every single aspect of my photography business. I can promise you Marc, even though you aren't going to ever go considering you have a very successful business, that you would learn a lot from a workshop like that. I imagine both Genesis and the other one would be great. Just a big price difference for me...

Seriously Genesis blew my mind.

Skinny b-baller and the girl with pretty eyes - If anyone
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Dec 12, 2011 at 04:59 AM
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I can't comment on what someone is personally willing to pay for a workshop or to learn something. That's up to each individual to decide and the return in their investment. I can't tell you what's right or wrong or what you should do with your money. That's completely up to you & it is a free country

With that being said I can express my own personal opinion. I personally, would never pay into the 4 figures for a group workshop and would never pay to learn from someone with little experience. By little experience I mean 10yrs or less. I've been doing photography for about 6 yrs and there's people w/ that much experience or less who are constantly teaching & doing workshops all the time.

I'm personally still learning a lot & developing my own style & evolving as an artist & photographer. What I have believed a 1yr or 2 ago is different then what I believe now. I also see this A LOT with inexperienced photographers teaching (10yrs or less) regardless of how cool, popular & how many sponsors they have or facebook friends/fans & twitter followers. That's 1 reason why I'm reluctant to teach at the moment or to pay for someone with little experience. It's almost sad sometimes seeing the blind leading the blind. I've seen A LOT of speakers over the years as I'm a board member in my local PPA and go to meeting every month. I'm also the current print comp chair and I get to see honest objective critique of photography work from very experienced photographers.

I think what people need to realize is that there is no magic bullet, no one workshop or seminar that will make you better. “When you think you got it all figured out & think you know everything... you actually know nothing at all”. What it comes down to is how much you put into your craft, art & life. You have to sincerely find out what you love, what moves you personally and what you like. And that comes from within and not everyone gets that. I see A LOT of people take workshops & seminars over & over & over again and it's sad to be completely honestly because at the end of the day, they NEVER find their own vision. They just end up copying the style of another photographer or the workshop people. Or worse!! They just end up learning how to teach & sell workshop themselves! By doing that, you're not finding your own voice, your own vision and you're living someone else's dream. Which in turn means never leading a life that makes you feel fulfilled. You're always looking at what person to copy next.

It amazes me sometimes how people fall into the marketing & packaging and how some people are willing to spend $500, 1k, 2k, 3k 4k+ etc. to feel like they belong to part of something to “improve” by taking a workshop/seminar that only last anywhere from a few hours, to a few days. There's only so much you can learn in a few hrs let alone a few days. What I'm about to say is going to be really looked down here & I'll probably get flamed for it and people will come up w/ 1,000's of excuses as to why I'm wrong... but god forbid anyone actually go to school & study art & photography for a year or 2 or 3 (doesn't have to be full-time).

One of the 1st excuses that will probably come up is time. The 2nd will probably be followed by money. If you have enough reasons, and they are honest to you, those 2 wont get in your way. Investing 2-3yrs in your craft and learning art, photography, the history of art & photography will help you tremendously in finding your own vision & exposing you to many great things. You will truly have a greater appreciation for everything your doing. Unfortunately, 2-3yr's in school is not cool or give you the instant gratification to posting to your facebook wall or tweeter feed that you took “So & So's” workshop & that only took about a 1 week to complete! I was actually fortunate enough to go to school & study art, photography & graphic design for 3 years and it has helped me tremendously. I know it's no big deal and people have done a lot more, but I worked full-timed & also went to school full-time. If it's important enough for you and you have enough honest reasons, you'll find a way.

But back to the question in hand about workshops. Right now, as I said I can't see myself paying into the 4 figures for a large group workshop. I AM, however, willing to pay 2-2.5k for a 1 on 1. Here's what I do to seek out a mentor or make an effort to go learn from someone or hear them speak.

FIRST, I see their work. if I ABSOLUTELY don't love their work or it doesn't move me. I wont seek them out as a mentor or make a great effort to hear them speak. I DON'T CARE how nice they are, how cool they are, how popular they are, and how pretty they may be. Bottom line, the only thing we leave behind when we're gone is the work we produce, which becomes our legacy/legend as an artist. To ME, that is very important, and if it's not to you, we just have very different points of view.

SECOND which is just as important as #1 if not more!!! I see what they are doing and their morals/values and how they are living. For example, if the person you are seeking is doing workshops 3-4 times a year, selling products and speaking all the time... IF that's WHERE you see YOURSELF in a few years and that's what you want to be doing, then go see them. I PERSONALLY don't want my life to be like that or mainly about that at the current moment. All the photographers I like not only do good work, but also make a living from their photography, are happy w/ their life, are married and able to maintain a happy family and do what they love doing. That's what I WANT, not only in my photography, but in my life. That's what I look for in a speaker/mentor. and usually those people aren't too popular for obvious reasons, because they are busy working, and if they are not working, they are with their family.

You will also often find that people like that will help you out or mentor you for free! When you are ready to learn, you WILL find a teacher. It's not always easy to find a good teacher, but it's equally hard to be willing to learn & check your ego at the door.

One workshop, that I actually came back from in October, was truly life changing, had amazing legendary photographers teaching with 10, 20, 30+yrs experience, had 1 on 1 time, and also had nearly almost every major photo editor from the top magazines, news papers & agency's from around the world to review your portfolio was TUITION FREE!!!!!!!!!

If anyone here is still in school or has been out of school for >3yrs and you can get in, I strongly recommend EAW. As I mentioned it is tuition free. You cannot BUY your way in and you get accepted base the merit of the portfolio you submit. Everyone there, from teachers to students is highly skilled and willing to teach & share! The most 4 intense days of my photography career. But like with anything, you get what you put into it.

If you've actually read this far into my post I thank you! Please understand that I'm not saying that these paid workshops are bad. I'm sure there are good/great ones. But at the moment, they are not for me. I'm not saying that my point of view is better then anyone else's or even the right one, it's truly just what I personally believe.

ANYTHING worth having & keeping is a lot of hard work. Doesn't matter if it's art, photography or relationships. If you're not growing, your dying. Invest your time and money in what you truly believe NOT in what's popular or hip at the current time. Your sincere passion & love will NEVER get old or go out of style.

Best of luck to everyone & I hope you find what works best for you!
-Alexis



Dec 12, 2011 at 05:19 AM
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Interesting to read all the points on this thread.

Basically it comes down to whether you as an individual running a photography business find it a worth while investment to do these workshops.

A bit of background about where I'm at and why I attend workshops, 2 or 3 times a year.

- I'm based in the UK
- I've been shooting full-time for 1 year
- I was shooting part-time 2 years before that
- I have a young family
- I want to improve as a photographer
- I want to learn from the best

2011 has been my first year shooting full-time. Before that I was second shooting, doing family and commercial stuff for around 18 months.

When shooting part-time (2009-2010) it was very difficult finding the time. I was working roughly 70 hour weeks in something I really didn't enjoy and I was desperate to make it as a full time photographer. I had a young family and that put even more pressure on my time.

I decided to go on a few well selected courses in the UK before I made the jump to full-time. I also joined CreativeLIVE and KelbyTraining. I learned so much from these courses and in 2010 decided to go on a more focussed 1-2-1 course that was more to do with running a photography business. With that training I really enjoyed my first year as a photographer and actually made a small profit!

Coming to the end of my first full year as a photographer I have found it immensely rewarding. But that comes at a cost. It is a very lonely business. I network with other photographers in the UK and do the odd meet up but at the end of 2011 I was looking at doing another workshop that would really take me to the next level. Something that I couldn't find in the UK.

In November 2011 I decided to attend Genesis in Memphis. It was 4700 miles away and a huge commitment to attend. I would also be leaving my family for a week.

"Was it worth travelling 4700 miles for a workshop?"
Absolutely. This course was EPIC. It catered for all levels of photographers. It had 5 amazingly inspirational lecturers. I was meeting 40 very cool like-minded individuals and I got to hang out in a part of the World I'd never been to.

"What did I get out of it?"
Vision, focus, inspiration, planning, confidence, patience are just a few words that describe what I got out of it. I wasn't really there to learn anything technically, I use a lot of OCF in my work and I have a solid brand. What I really got out of this course was meeting these inspirational photographers, asking them first hand about specific aspects of a shoot, lighting, posing, business, branding, advanced OCF... and it goes on.

But most importantly is the group of people I met on the course. I met a fantastic group of talented individuals who will be with me for 2012. I regularly have Skype chat with members of the course.

"Would I recommend Genesis?"
Well.... I'm going next year... all the way from the UK to Vegas. I think that says enough!


Finally...

It is down to the individual. If you are at the top of your game then fair play, well done and congratulations.

There are literally hundreds of courses out there for budding photographers to learn and develop their skills.

You need to research and find the right course for you. I think Jonathan Canlas is an awesome photographer, but there would be better suited trainers for my needs and my style of shooting. I spent 3 months finding the right course for my requirements, and that right course was in another country.

- Jon



Dec 12, 2011 at 07:05 AM
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I went to Genesis both years and it was worth every penny, even the second time. It had a crazy awesome ROI for me (probably close to 2000%). No matter what our (perceived) level, there is always more to learn and improve in our craft, in our business, and our personal lives. Genesis was the perfect fit for me, with inspirational instructors who all brought something very unique to the table, and focused on how we could improve for our own unique businesses and brands. I've been to workshops where the instructors give the how to's and seem to strive to make mini-me's of themselves. Genesis is designed to inspire so you can follow your own path.


Dec 12, 2011 at 08:46 AM
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alexis- I understand what you're saying, however I think that basing the quality and capability of workshop
instructors on how long they've been shooting for is a poor guideline. Example? Sure.

Tony Hoffer has been in business for 5 years (about?). He is more successful than probably 99% of photographers
that have been in business for 2, 3, 4 times as long as him. Actually, he's probably in the 99th% of success for
photographers... period. It's not luck that builds a business, it's skill, patience, know-how, talent, persistence. Sure
it's true that the "greats" are frequently born with the talent, but all of the rest of the skills can be learned. I also
believe that "Seeing"can be learned. So why not learn from someone like tony? Spencer (also teaching at genesis)
has built a senior portrait business that rivals the best. And he did it by himself. The work is really strong, and the
business is even stronger. He's certainly been at it for less than 10 years. Why not learn from him? It's not luck
that he's been successful.

My point is... for the people that can benefit from the tuition for a workshop like the genesis workshop would be
money well spent. Not for the networking necessarily, and not for the amazing time everyone will have in a pimped
out mansion, but for the heaping mountain of knowledge that you'll be exposed to, by professionals that have
built incredibly successful businesses from nothing.



Dec 12, 2011 at 09:13 AM
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Genesis is designed to inspire so you can follow your own path.

And you spent over $1000 for that? If you want inspiration go to the beach and watch a sunset or go to a museum and look at some paintings. That costs nothing. Look, I know I can be a little nasty here and I am not saying the photographers who hold these aren't talented. They are and so am I. My point is simply there is nothing to be learned by spending thousands of dollars that can't be learned for free by doing your own studying and asking questions. I don't have all the answers. Nobody does. But why spend hard earned money to hear somebody with less experience talk about how they do things? The beauty of what we do is that we are artists and we are all unique in our own way. Fine tuning your craft can't be taught in a weekend seminar let alone some two hour live instruction. It takes years. I've been at this for over 15 years and I am constantly bettering myself. I'd rather spend a couple grand on more gear.



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Marc,

Have you ever had a conversation with someone who makes you look at things differently? (I really hope the answer is yes)

Thats my view on workshops. I think the good ones offer intense/condensed/concentrated 'conversations with people who make you look at things differently'. There is no way in hell that you can get all of those minds (genesis, for example) together in one room for such a brief period of time...for free.

Chuck



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Reasons I will be attending Genesis:
1: My wife needs to be around other shooters...women mainly, who she can draw inspiration from. She needs girl power.
2: Branding strategies...I know what I want to do I just need to clean up the execution.
3: Figure out how to move my business which is midly successful to a brand new area that is over 3000 miles away. My wife and I want to move west...99% sure it will be Montana. The area we want to go is rich with weddings and is begging for a "studio" in the town we want to go to. I have big plans I just need help realizing my ideas and putting the pieces together.
Is paying 4 figures for a workshop rough...hell ya. But their is a certain amount of gambling you have to do (I believe) in order to bust out and make it big. Realistically I am not looking for G3 to provide me with anything new technically (it will most likely but that is not my main goal). We are looking for a focus and a direction that we can take with us when we move in order to successfully book clients and grow our business in a new area.



Dec 12, 2011 at 09:27 AM
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And you learned how to be creative from a workshop? Shouldn't that be part of who you are naturally? You can't learn to be creative. You either are or you are not.


I used to think the same thing when I was in technology - you either understand technology or you don't. I then thought the same thing when I started my photography business - you're either creative or you're not.

I also found out that I was wrong.



Dec 12, 2011 at 09:44 AM
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canerino wrote:
Marc,

Have you ever had a conversation with someone who makes you look at things differently? (I really hope the answer is yes)


I think what he's trying to say is that HE'S the one that makes everyone ELSE look at things differently.

I always say that there's something to be learned from everyone, even if it's what NOT to do. I learn some of that from certain members here on FM every day.




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And you spent over $1000 for that? If you want inspiration go to the beach and watch a sunset or go to a museum and look at some paintings. That costs nothing. Look, I know I can be a little nasty here and I am not saying the photographers who hold these aren't talented. They are and so am I. My point is simply there is nothing to be learned by spending thousands of dollars that can't be learned for free by doing your own studying and asking questions. I don't have all the answers. Nobody does. But why spend
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Marc,

I've attended two workshops so far: Genesis 1 and Todd Reichmann's Sexy Business 1 (apparently I have a thing for getting in on the ground floor).

Before I say anything else let me point out that I ENJOY learning about something i'm passionate about. If I had the choice between:

1. Spending a week on a caribbean island
2. Taking a cruise around the Atlantic
3. Sitting through 3 days of intense photography, hanging out with other photographers etc.

And they all cost the same, I would choose 3.

It doesn't hurt that I lived and traveled around Italy, traveled around Europe and traveled fairly extensively around the U.S.A. ... hence if one year my "vacation" is spent in a studio with a bunch of photographer peeps I don't feel like I'm "missing out on seeing the world" nor that I live in South Florida, which is not much different from that caribbean island (well it has high speed internet, so it's better, actually)

...

now as to stuff I learned from the workshops that made them worthwhile to me.

There's more but I'll highlight one thing from each workshop:

Genesis - ok, so before Genesis I would go shoot a session, find interesting angles, interesting settings, get my creative groove on and do my thing. Then there would be the times when the creative juices didn't seem to be there... I'd be uninspired and start getting cold sweats... freezing up... which would make me even LESS likely to come up with something... and yeah... not fun. @ Genesis I learned a methodology to get a rabbit out of the hat no matter what. It had never occurred to me that you can "Plan" creativity and in a sense "fit it into boxes" but you can, and I learned some boxes that make me MUCH more comfortable shooting in ANY location/situation. Yes I'm sure I would have learned all this eventually on my own. I don't see a workshop as the key to impossible knowledge... it's more the MAP that helps you explore territory you didn't know you wanted to explore.

Sexy Business - I went to the workshop and while I didn't realize it at the time, I had no idea what moved me, what made me tick, what pissed me off about weddings, what I WANTED and what I believed. If one asked me "why should I hire you" I'd probably lead off with some trite bullshit like "because I'm very creative, I'm very attentive to detail, I'm a fun person who is a blast to be around and who will help you have a great day on your wedding day" or whatever. You know... just like every other effing photographer whose name starts with "A" ... or any other letter for that matter. My "collections" were based on seeing what other people offered, priced to match what other people priced, my gallery was just like everyone else's gallery, my coverage of a wedding was just like every other coverage of a wedding. I copied everyone and no-one and I had no idea what I really liked and why. And now I do. And now I come up with things in my packages that nobody else offers, and not just because I need to have something different in my packages, but because what I believe about weddings informs what I want my clients to have. And I keep coming up with new ideas, most of which are ridiculous, but they are ALL driven by again... what *I* believe is important. Oh and FWIW it's not like I went to the workshop and Todd said "here is what you believe, this is your brand, now go out and rule the world" ... I'm actually not even sure how the heck Todd and Jamie and the rest of the attendees got *it* out of me, but it WAS in me.

Now this latter thing... that was never gonna happen on it's own. I've done all those corporate "find your mission" exercises tons of times, and to be honest I thought I didn't have a "core of beliefs" because I could NEVER come up with anything that had any depth... it's as if I was shut out from my own inner self. Of course I may be relatively unique in this regard and maybe someone who is already more in touch with what gives meaning to their work would have found the workshop useful but not AS useful as I did. But I paid for MY Workshop, not yours... and in my case it was worth A HELLUVA LOT more than I paid.

No workshops for next year btw.

Ciao!

Alessandro

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Dec 12, 2011 at 09:52 AM
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canerino wrote:
Marc,

Have you ever had a conversation with someone who makes you look at things differently? (I really hope the answer is yes)

Thats my view on workshops. I think the good ones offer intense/condensed/concentrated 'conversations with people who make you look at things differently'. There is no way in hell that you can get all of those minds (genesis, for example) together in one room for such a brief period of time...for free.

Chuck


Of course I have. They are called friends and they give me advice and words of wisdom for free. And why not get those minds for free? Who are they? Regular photographers. Nothing more. I have seen a ton of photographers whose work I love but I wouldn't spend any of my hard earned money to hear their take on how to run a business. I don't need "inspiration" from a photographer. I have that in me already.

I used to think the same thing when I was in technology - you either understand technology or you don't. I then thought the same thing when I started my photography business - you're either creative or you're not.

I also found out that I was wrong.


You are NOT wrong Inku. That is all true. You ARE either creative or you're not. YES, you can learn techniques to give you the illusion of being creative but true art, true creativity, is within. My point in all of this is spending 1000's for a weekend will NOT change your life nor will it change your business. You are just feeding the ego and the wallets of those that hold the workshops.



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Alessandro I get what you are saying and if you honestly feel that it was money well spent then great. But I can't see how you'd wanna spend 3 days with photographers than a week cruise around the Atlantic. It doesn't make sense. And you don't think you could have just figured out all those highlights you pointed out from those workshops on your own? I could have said the same things to you for free. Why don't we all just hold hands and sing Kumbayah? Or better yet, why not hold a Google+ Video Conference and start asking each other questions that we would like to know? My point is. I respect the work of a few that hold workshops. But why not just spend some time and help your fellow man for free? You know what? I just inspired myself to do something. I'll be back later.


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Alessandro I get what you are saying and if you honestly feel that it was money well spent then great. But I can't see how you'd wanna spend 3 days with photographers than a week cruise around the Atlantic. It doesn't make sense. And you don't think you could have just figured out all those highlights you pointed out from those workshops on your own? I could have said the same things to you for free. Why don't we all just hold hands and sing Kumbayah? Or better yet, why not hold a Google+ Video Conference and start asking each
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Marc,

I'm sorry if what I read was too long for you to read it all <grin> but I pointed out the answer to your question:

1. With regard to my biggest takeaway from Genesis, YES, I am convinced that eventually I would have learned it on my own, however it was VERY uncomfortable to be in the "Stuck" situation when it happened and my enjoyment of EVERY photography session has increased dramatically because I've lost "fear" that I'll get stuck. Plus again that was just one notable takeaway... there were many others.

2. With regard to what *I* got out of SexyBusiness. It's possible that someone ELSE might have eventually got out of me what Todd and Jamie got out of me, but as I said... for pretty much all my life one thing that has constantly haunted me has been the fact that there is a very THICK very RATIONAL outer core that has very RARE access to the inner core. Look... let me give you an example... I LOVE driving cars. I used to race, competitively (pretty successfully too... but yeah at a small level... don't go looking for me in Formula One rosters) ... ok, so on Saturday we see about half a billion dollars worth of cars drive by us participating in some sort of "effing epic car toys for tots drive" ... once the line of cars was about 10 minutes into driving by us, my wife asks "so which one would you like if you could have any car?" I couldn't answer the question. There's little doubt that deep inside there somewhere there's an answer, but I couldn't get it out. I eventually rationalized an answer for her "Lancia Delta Integrale Martini Racing" but as I write that I'm not even convinced that there's a fire inside for that car... though I would totally LOVE to own one (in the right mountain area of course).

Ciao!

Alessandro



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Of course I have. They are called friends and they give me advice and words of wisdom for free. And why not get those minds for free? Who are they? Regular photographers. Nothing more. I have seen a ton of photographers whose work I love but I wouldn't spend any of my hard earned money to hear their take on how to run a business. I don't need "inspiration" from a photographer. I have that in me already.

You are NOT wrong Inku. That is all true. You ARE either creative or you're not. YES, you can learn techniques to
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Marc, I used to think the same way, as I already mentioned. Something I realized is that everyone has some innate abilities. There are different levels of creativity/technical aptitude/athleticism in all of us. Some of us just have to try a little bit harder whereas it comes easier for others. Some people may just need that "spark" that will open up a whole new way of thinking.

I went to the Yin Yang workshop in September of 2010. It was $4k. I've made that money back many times over since then. Could I have learned that on my own? Absolutely. What that workshop did was focus on exactly what I wanted to improve in my business.

I've only taken two workshops so far and each one has elevated my game to another level.

I do however agree with you that there are a ton of workshops out there, some being taught by those that have no business teaching anybody anything... other than what not to do.



Dec 12, 2011 at 10:22 AM
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p.3 #18 · What Workshop Are You Doing this Off Season?


Attending a workshop can be a humbling experience. You may be at the top of your game, but end up discovering something you wouldn't normally consider by being around others who are in different markets, but the same industry.

One of the many things I loved about Genesis 2011, was each of the instructors were from a different part of the country. So each one brought their unique perspective on a topic or subject for what works in their neck of the woods. Kind of like how a fashion trend typically starts in one place and makes its way across the rest of the world. Photography in this technological day and age is making changes. So its best to stay up with the trends and maybe try to create new trends.

And aside from all the tips, tricks and knowledge crammed into a full 3 days (typically 8am - 10pm) of the workshop, the continued contact with students and instructors carries on. So to me, I haven't spent money on just the full 3 days of crammed knowledge, but also on the continued access for what I know will be a long, long time. We are even potentially going to have a Genesis 2011 reunion next year to see how each of us has grown.

The money and sacrifice away from my family was definitely worth it to me. Workshops can be a great way to give a budding photographer a boost or an experience photographer to freshen up. You just have to make sure you choose the one which is best for you.



Dec 12, 2011 at 10:40 AM
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p.3 #19 · What Workshop Are You Doing this Off Season?


Has anyone here taken the foundation workshop?


Dec 12, 2011 at 10:45 AM
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p.3 #20 · What Workshop Are You Doing this Off Season?


One other thing that you can leverage at workshops - the networking opportunities.


Dec 12, 2011 at 10:47 AM
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