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p.5 #1 · What Workshop Are You Doing this Off Season?


And there goes the neighborhood


Dec 12, 2011 at 06:26 PM
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For those who have attended classes that were beneficial to their business; I would love if you could provide a short synopsis on what made the education special to you. It could be helpful to many. Thanks -Tom


Dec 12, 2011 at 08:06 PM
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p.5 #3 · What Workshop Are You Doing this Off Season?


I can answer you Tom but in a little while since I am about to board a plane.



Dec 12, 2011 at 08:56 PM
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if you are an internet troll, don't read on: )

Matt and I just went to Genesis 2 and I am heading to Genesisters next month. We have been running our business for five years, and this was our first year totally relying on photography for our income (this is not to say that we are just out of the uncle bob stage of business, quite the contrary, despite this being our side job while in university we went from being unknown to the top photography studio in our area)

This workshop was a huge, huge investment for us and as we got on the plane I worried a little if we'd made the right decision (we have student loans, we had a baby this year, and we of course could always use new gear. I need not have worried. It has been over a month since the workshop and every day a lesson, reminder, stream-lined workflow, helpful tidbit comes up that we learned from Genesis. Not to mention it gave us confidence as shooters and business people.

The curriculum was the bomb.com, but what surprised me more was the after hours one on one and group talks.

After Tony spoke for 14 hours straight Matt and I were talking to he and Amy, and our packages and pricing came up --instead of blowing us off and going to bed, he said "well can I take a look at your packages?" and spent forty minutes talking about how we can make it easier for our clients to buy what we want to sell them.

Ed Pingol had to cut his presentation a bit short with our group because we had to break for lunch -- he said no worries we'll finish up this evening. Our group thought "cool we'll spend another twenty minutes with the lighting master". That evening Ed talked to us in till 1:30 in the morning --sharing beyond lighting and technique of his images, his plans for the future, his way of dealing with crazy Mothers of the bride, and how he makes money on the wedding day above his package price (he grossed more in one month from one tiny aspect of his business than we did in our best quarter), how he can up sell an album and make his clients treat the album like a treasure during a consultation, and so much more. This was his time and his information that went way beyond the promised curriculum

Mel and Jeff --I can't even explain their impact. To me, they did so much more than speaking about fine tuning posing and how to have the perfect consult. Their talk about balance is a gift to my family, to my daughter. To me, their talk and perspective was worth the whole price of admission. I am beyond excited to meet up with them again.

Sam Hassas --This guy is legit! Creativity flows, and he works hard to harness and fine tune it. It isn't that he said this is how to be creative. He gave us a mission to go beyond the norm and the cliches. His one on one critique of our portfolio was brutal and true, and it has already changed how we think and shoot.

I actually came away from the experience wondering if the instructors had charged enough. They have given us so much and spoke so freely --My mind is still blown from all of the knowledge that was soaked up.

Don't even get me started on all of the amazing people we met....and Evan's guest lecture!!!



Dec 12, 2011 at 09:38 PM
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mineymole wrote:
Tony & Spencer -

Both of you are teaching at G3 right? Yet both of you confess to not having really been on the other side as a student at a photography workshop.

While there is nothing at all wrong with that, it is a tad ironic, no?

What inspired you both to participate in Genesis? Since neither of you claim to have been inspired yourselves in workshops I wonder what the motivating moment was?

I am curious, because I am sincerely looking at G3. If I have any hangup about signing up for G3, it is probably the lack
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I did post in this thread earlier of a workshop I attended, and the incredible results that benefited from it. I'm also attending another workshop next year, really really looking forward to it.



Dec 12, 2011 at 10:46 PM
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mineymole wrote:
Tony & Spencer -

Both of you are teaching at G3 right? Yet both of you confess to not having really been on the other side as a student at a photography workshop.

While there is nothing at all wrong with that, it is a tad ironic, no?

What inspired you both to participate in Genesis? Since neither of you claim to have been inspired yourselves in workshops I wonder what the motivating moment was?

I am curious, because I am sincerely looking at G3. If I have any hangup about signing up for G3, it is probably the lack
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Actually.... Tony attended Genesis 1 and got Schooled the first night by mighty Melanie who kicked major epic ass during the instructor shootout.

he he he




Dec 12, 2011 at 11:17 PM
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lisy78 wrote:
Actually.... Tony attended Genesis 1 and got Schooled the first night by mighty Melanie who kicked major epic ass during the instructor shootout.

he he he




It's my claim to fame. I'll put it on my gravestone.



Dec 12, 2011 at 11:20 PM
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p.5 #8 · What Workshop Are You Doing this Off Season?


I am attending Vpell and JC's "Sexy Trolling" early next year. Reviews are a bit mixed but I figure it is a good investment of almost 10g's...



Dec 12, 2011 at 11:30 PM
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i've attended FOUNDATION.

NOT worth the hefty investment TO ME in my honest opinion. why did i attend? i attended because i heard people have cried.

"cool... a tough and it's ADVANCED." i thought. i don't want to go to a WS that sugar coat things... i wanted to know my faults NOW so we can move forward and move forward QUICK. i learned a ton but not a ton that i wanted to apply to my weddings.

from then on, i don't think that there is EVER going to be a photography workshop that would be worth it simply because i REALLY like what i'm doing now. i'll totally attend some business workshops concentrating on how to generate more income so i can reach retirement faster perhaps.

//ed



Dec 12, 2011 at 11:35 PM
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You can attend 100 workshops every year,but if you have small balls, all that money and time will be wasted.

To succeed in this business you have to have BIG BALLS.

Yes!! BIG HAIRY BALLS!

If you don't know what I mean, that means you have tiny balls.

BIG BALLS let you act on the info you learned. It also make you attend less workshops...because your balls become too big to fit into those classes.

Again, if I have to explain, you need to water your balls until they grow




Dec 14, 2011 at 11:24 PM
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p.5 #11 · What Workshop Are You Doing this Off Season?


Dmitri, I envy your grotesquely enlarged balls.


Dec 15, 2011 at 12:14 AM
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p.5 #12 · What Workshop Are You Doing this Off Season?


Hum... Announcing now, DmitriM and Lisy78's big Hairy Balls workshop.

This workshop will be held on a wheat field, to sidestep any "big hairy balls won't fit into the workshop" problems.

All kidding aside I think you have a point.

I'm gonna see if my wife can let me take a look at my balls later today and I'll report back with measurements.



Dec 15, 2011 at 07:32 AM
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p.5 #13 · What Workshop Are You Doing this Off Season?


What if your balls are big ... just well kept...?
Still good or not so much...



Dec 15, 2011 at 08:23 AM
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p.5 #14 · What Workshop Are You Doing this Off Season?


hardlyboring wrote:
What if your balls are big ... just well kept...?
Still good or not so much...


Might as well put a bra on them then and call them bits.

P.S. I can't believe we're continuing along this line...

no wait. I can totally believe it.



Dec 15, 2011 at 08:25 AM
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p.5 #15 · What Workshop Are You Doing this Off Season?


No photography oriented ones per se. I belong to an exclusive "mastermind" group of high earning, seasoned businesspeople made up out of different industries and we exchange ideas and insights, much if not all I find applicable to the wedding photography industry.


Dec 15, 2011 at 11:20 AM
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Tom wrote:
For those who have attended classes that were beneficial to their business; I would love if you could provide a short synopsis

I did TRR's Sexy Business workshop a couple weeks ago. This was the second running of the workshop, though Todd and Jamie have been doing branding and business work with other photographers for some time.

Tony wrote:
Sexy Business was described to me as the best money someone had ever spent on their business. I don't doubt it. Branding is something that I think is critically important that most lack. I'd bet that most Sexy Business grads would have paid double or triple if they had known what they'd learn there.

I concur. In fact, some did. One couple flew from Australia to attend the December workshop, making it a $10,000 investment. I watched them develop their vision for their business, and am certain that they will recover their investment promptly.

What the seminar covers
The Sexy Business seminar is a 3-day seminar (I believe they're running it in Vegas in the few days ahead of the WPPI convention in mid-February) that focuses on three main areas: business operations (understanding costs, managerial accounting, pricing), vision, and branding/marketing the vision. Other issues come up, but these are the main topics.

The business ops side of the workshop is very useful for studios struggling to get a handle on (or who are sort of just ignoring) costs and profit margins. This is a helpful walk-through of each attending studio's actual numbers, with some challenging questions tossed around where necessary. The more help you need in this area, the more time Todd and Jamie will spend on it, to ensure you're comfortable looking at your business by the numbers, rather than just by the pretty pictures.

The remainder of the workshop is a series of intensive (and--crucially--repeated) exploratory discussions of what distinguishes you from the ocean of wedding photographers. All wedding photographers "will tell the unique story of your day by capturing the special moments with the highest quality images using a documentary or photojournalistic style while becoming great friends with you because, you know, we're just so damn fun to spend time with that you'll seriously invite us over for drinks before and after the wedding and wish you'd met us years ago."

Todd and Jamie -- well, I was going to say they're two sides of a coin, but really Jamie is one side of a coin, and Todd is the edge of the coin. Or maybe Jamie is the chocolate and Todd is the peanut butter.

They draw you through a self-analysis, with the benefit of the friendly observations of other non-competitor studios who get to know you by spending e v e r y s t i n k i n g w a k i n g h o u r with you for three days. Todd, Jamie, and everyone else in your cohort all study you, take you apart, and help you identify and articulate your motives, and your comparative and competitive advantages.

The end result: you leave the seminar with actionable business goals, knowing how you will distinguish yourself from the crowd by establishing and delivering on your brand.

It's not just a branding exercise, like so many other seminars that offer generic "how to" advice. This workshop is a deep examination of your own business, in particular, with a chance to look into a few other people's businesses and learn from their challenges as well. It is very likely that you'll never get another chance to study the inner workings of other studios this way, not to mention trust people to look so carefully at your own.

While discussing pricing strategies, Todd said, "No one will ever come to you and give you permission to charge more -- no customer will tell you your prices are too low and you should charge them more." Perhaps true, but they will tell you that you should charge other people more, and that's exactly what we all did. The $1,500 fee is, in fact, too low for the benefit. I'd absolutely have paid double or triple that amount and been well satisfied with the value. I'll be stunned and a little disappointed in them if they don't increase this fee after February.

Sexy Business is unique among photography workshops because it's not a bunch of generic advice; it is incredibly and specifically personal, yielding a branding plan that will work for you, and only you.



Dec 19, 2011 at 01:38 AM
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