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p.8 #1Nikon D800 pictures..almost here??
Jammy Straub wrote:
And what market would that be?
I assume it's people who won't buy a camera with a 36MP sensor. I too cannot see how that would be such a "large potential market," but I guess it's easy to think that one's individual preferences (or the preferences of their peer group) somehow represent the "largest" of potential markets.
Arka C.
ct8282 wrote
I really can't believe it will be 36mp as they will alienate their largest potential market.I assume it's people who won't buy a camera with a 36MP sensor. I too cannot see how that would be such a "large potential market," but I guess it's easy to think that one's individual preferences (or the preferences of their peer group) somehow represent the "largest" of potential markets.
Arka C.
Nov 28, 2011 at 12:37 AM
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Everything else aside, I'd love to have an FX sensor in the smallest, lightest body possible. Sometimes I don't want the heft of my D700 with even a small prime, and I'd give up the magnesium body to shed some weight. I don't want to have to get an M9 in order to have that kind of image quality and portability, but I seriously doubt that something like this will ever come.
Nov 28, 2011 at 01:17 AM
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Makten wrote:
Let me guess that they sell more like ~100 D5100:s per D3 and that the relative margin is way higher for the consumer cameras.
100 x 5100 per 1 x D3.... ha , keep going. I wish.
It would have been nice to sell 1 D3 for for every 100 D5100's. However, we would have sold 1 x D3 for every 1500 D5100's. Doesn't really matter really.
The profit on a D3s (to the store) was pathetic. You just hope they might buy a lens and some accessories.
jhinkey wrote
I've always wondered how much $$ they make in each segment - i.e., even if they sell 10 D5100s for each D3 do they have 10x more margin on the D3?100 x 5100 per 1 x D3.... ha , keep going. I wish.
It would have been nice to sell 1 D3 for for every 100 D5100's. However, we would have sold 1 x D3 for every 1500 D5100's. Doesn't really matter really.
The profit on a D3s (to the store) was pathetic. You just hope they might buy a lens and some accessories.
Nov 28, 2011 at 02:30 AM
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The stores over here sell lenses almost at cost. I hustled the store for a discount on the 14-24 lens and he actually dropped the price to his cost price! And he wasn't just spinning me a yarn, he showed me his computer and their cost prices for the lenses.
They make up their profits by selling the loose accessories such as filters, bags etc.
What a bizarre industry. I work for a manufacturing company and we sell our products on to resellers and make upwards of 65% margin, and that's after their discount off list price which is usually around 35% as an average.
So the shops make no margin, but I'd love to know what Nikon and Canon make as a margin on their lenses.
They make up their profits by selling the loose accessories such as filters, bags etc.
What a bizarre industry. I work for a manufacturing company and we sell our products on to resellers and make upwards of 65% margin, and that's after their discount off list price which is usually around 35% as an average.
So the shops make no margin, but I'd love to know what Nikon and Canon make as a margin on their lenses.
Nov 28, 2011 at 02:46 AM
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p.8 #5Nikon D800 pictures..almost here??
It may look like they don't make a profit on lenses, but that is what they want you to think in order to get your business.
It's a sort of half truth. Yes, that is their INITIAL price. BUT, if they sell more than 1 per month, their price gets discounted. If they sell more than 5, it's discounted again, and so on.
So, as you can see, its all magic and mirrors in this industry.
ON topic, Nikon sells DSLR bodies in order to sell you lenses and their system. Pro's will buy 10 to 15 times the glass that most consumers will. So if they give a great body, you will buy their great glass... won't you? I have for the past 3 or so years (not to mention the stuff from prior to 2003).
If I were Nikon, wanting the most profit, it would stand to reason that if I gave my customer base a camera body that I only made a marginal profit on (and that only after selling X million units or whatever), but then sold a bunch of glass and what not for a healthy profit, I would be getting the most from each customer that I could.
Nikon now has a history of creating higher end bodies that are the best when compared to most anything else out there (IMO).
So go Nikon, give us what you will.
It's a sort of half truth. Yes, that is their INITIAL price. BUT, if they sell more than 1 per month, their price gets discounted. If they sell more than 5, it's discounted again, and so on.
So, as you can see, its all magic and mirrors in this industry.
ON topic, Nikon sells DSLR bodies in order to sell you lenses and their system. Pro's will buy 10 to 15 times the glass that most consumers will. So if they give a great body, you will buy their great glass... won't you? I have for the past 3 or so years (not to mention the stuff from prior to 2003).
If I were Nikon, wanting the most profit, it would stand to reason that if I gave my customer base a camera body that I only made a marginal profit on (and that only after selling X million units or whatever), but then sold a bunch of glass and what not for a healthy profit, I would be getting the most from each customer that I could.
Nikon now has a history of creating higher end bodies that are the best when compared to most anything else out there (IMO).
So go Nikon, give us what you will.
Nov 28, 2011 at 08:08 AM
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Sorry David , it doesn't quite work like that.
If we order a cetain amount per month, we get a rebate for the following month.
No magic , no mirrors. It is the worst industry to be in as a retailer. At least if you're a specialist retailer.
The industry is changing, and these stores simply need to look at their practices and adapt.
In Australia, best thing we can do is by-pass the local manufacturers and import grey market stock. Some big stores already have done this has the crap is hitting the roof!
(google jb hifi grey market cameras) for some info
If we order a cetain amount per month, we get a rebate for the following month.
No magic , no mirrors. It is the worst industry to be in as a retailer. At least if you're a specialist retailer.
The industry is changing, and these stores simply need to look at their practices and adapt.
In Australia, best thing we can do is by-pass the local manufacturers and import grey market stock. Some big stores already have done this has the crap is hitting the roof!
(google jb hifi grey market cameras) for some info
Nov 30, 2011 at 07:36 AM
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I don't know why people harp on Nikon rumoured 36MP camera. If the camera can handle it who cares. I rather have more and then discard as needed than have less and be helpless about it. In the past, Nikon cameras have the capability to bin image sizes for speed. It's a winner to me.
Nov 30, 2011 at 03:13 PM
p.8 #8Nikon D800 pictures..almost here??
Zaitz wrote:
Buy a D3s.
Did not know it had 18MP. 12MP is 5 years old standard of consumer cameras. It would be enough for 50% of my jobs. But buying a additional camera to serve the rest of it sounds not good to me.
I think Canon "creates" a step back to 18MP because it serves up to (guessed) 97% of photographing needs. 6MP where enough in 2003 (because there was nothing else), 12 was enough in 2006. 21 was more than enough in 2008 up till today. 21-24MP or more may be "nice". I do not know any photographer who really "needs" it. And I do know even less, who want to handel them.
If 12MP are to less for some of my customers, they are right. If 18 are not enought, they doen´t just know, what they are talking about.
ct8282 wrote
I really can't believe it will be 36mp as they will alienate their largest potential market. I could only believe it would be 36mp if they also released a D700s, but my money is on an 18mp D800 with incredible low light capabilities.Did not know it had 18MP. 12MP is 5 years old standard of consumer cameras. It would be enough for 50% of my jobs. But buying a additional camera to serve the rest of it sounds not good to me.
I think Canon "creates" a step back to 18MP because it serves up to (guessed) 97% of photographing needs. 6MP where enough in 2003 (because there was nothing else), 12 was enough in 2006. 21 was more than enough in 2008 up till today. 21-24MP or more may be "nice". I do not know any photographer who really "needs" it. And I do know even less, who want to handel them.
If 12MP are to less for some of my customers, they are right. If 18 are not enought, they doen´t just know, what they are talking about.
Nov 30, 2011 at 05:32 PM
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passthegravy wrote:
This thread makes my head hurt.
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This thread makes my head hurt.
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Nov 30, 2011 at 05:55 PM
p.8 #10Nikon D800 pictures..almost here??
D800... 100% confirmed, yeah right. When?
"Ladies and gentleman, I present to you absolutely nothing."
Maybe NR can continue saying it every week until it arrives. Then we can read his posts , "I told you so"
"Ladies and gentleman, I present to you absolutely nothing."
Maybe NR can continue saying it every week until it arrives. Then we can read his posts , "I told you so"
Dec 02, 2011 at 11:08 PM
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Supposed D800 crops here, remember if these are real this is 100% at 36mp.:
http://nikonrumors.com/2011/12/17/cropped-nikon-d800-samples-at-high-iso.aspx/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+NikonRumors+%28NikonRumors.com%29
6400 looks good at that high of resolution, I bet that 12800 is usable/good for most print sizes.
http://nikonrumors.com/2011/12/17/cropped-nikon-d800-samples-at-high-iso.aspx/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+NikonRumors+%28NikonRumors.com%29
6400 looks good at that high of resolution, I bet that 12800 is usable/good for most print sizes.
Dec 17, 2011 at 07:04 PM
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If that is real, then I can see why they say it's for Landscapers and studio.
No detail at all at ISO1400.
No detail at all at ISO1400.
Dec 17, 2011 at 11:18 PM
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nikt wrote:
If that is real, then I can see why they say it's for Landscapers and studio.
No detail at all at ISO1400.
We don't know if noise reduction was on for those TIFs, that could be a major issue. Also at 36mp I'm not sure that subtle grid pattern we see at ISO 500 would even be visible with a 12mp camera.
Really we'll have to wait to see an actual test!
If that is real, then I can see why they say it's for Landscapers and studio.
No detail at all at ISO1400.
We don't know if noise reduction was on for those TIFs, that could be a major issue. Also at 36mp I'm not sure that subtle grid pattern we see at ISO 500 would even be visible with a 12mp camera.
Really we'll have to wait to see an actual test!
Dec 17, 2011 at 11:39 PM