Pixel Perfect wrote:
Possibly, but will AF reliability be good enough when doing 14fps; probably not. I'm sure it's not a huge issue for one shot mode, at least if we exclude extremes of sensor. So could they do a dual mode where you get greater coverage in one shot than AI servo?
Right, but I really doubt those shooting at such high frame rates would use outer points anyway--most people I know who shoot sports and wildlife only use the center, even on a 1-series. The main advantage would be for those who use fast primes and would rather avoid F&R. Give me 19 all x-type f/2.8 sensitive points spread across 75-80% of the VF and I'd be a pig in shart.
M Vers wrote:
That's what I was thinking, Whayne...but don't you think such issues would be counteracted via lens->body communication algorithms? Toss on an UWA and the camera recognizes it and makes adjustments accordingly...
The angle of light and size of the second mirror limit the practical AF zones. The only way I can see getting around that with the current lens mount/mirror box is to use contrast detection AF from the sensor.
Regardless of what Canon *might* do in the future, if the press release is to be taken on its face, the intent is clear: Canon has merged the 1D and 1Ds lines into the 1D X, which is exactly what I stated. Whether they may decide to offer something else in the future is not something anyone--even Canon themselves--can claim to know.
I realize that this move is unpleasant news for some people. But once the denial passes, the only thing left is the reality of the situation. I can't say I'm a fan of it myself. But I call it like I see it, and the evidence has borne itself out. As I predicted, the 1D X is going to be a very expensive flagship body.
BennyR wrote:
Something tells me Canon isn't going to abandon the high MP crowd.
Certainly not, given that the D800 (if rumour be believed) will come in at 36mpix in a week or so. However, it would appear that they will only offer high MP cameras in 5D size & feature level.
Dave Jr wrote:
If this really is a merger of 1D and 1Ds, this camera will be very expensive, like $7999+, that is my guess.
Looks more like a 1DMkIV replacement rather then a merger of the 2 1 series cameras.
The 1DMkIV was announced on October 20 2009 making it 2 years between the two models which is in line with the usual 2 year production cycle with Canon's high end models.
If this is the replacement for the 1D MkIV looks like it will be the end of the APS-H format.
wickerprints wrote:
Regardless of what Canon *might* do in the future, if the press release is to be taken on its face, the intent is clear: Canon has merged the 1D and 1Ds lines into the 1D X, which is exactly what I stated. Whether they may decide to offer something else in the future is not something anyone--even Canon themselves--can claim to know..
But it's not clear. The only thing that seems semiclear is that Canon appears to be replacing the 1D series and not even that is a given just yet. I cannot see Canon sacrificing a flagship model for a significantly under spec'd (in regards to resolution) camera. Do you expect them to willingly surrender such a position to their top competition?
wickerprints wrote:
Regardless of what Canon *might* do in the future, if the press release is to be taken on its face, the intent is clear: Canon has merged the 1D and 1Ds lines into the 1D X, which is exactly what I stated. Whether they may decide to offer something else in the future is not something anyone--even Canon themselves--can claim to know..
M Vers wrote:
But it's not clear. The only thing that seems semiclear is that Canon appears to be replacing the 1D series and not even that is a given just yet. I cannot see Canon sacrificing a flagship model for a significantly under spec'd (in regards to resolution) camera. Do you expect them to willingly surrender such a position to their top competition?
I read the press release. It's clear to me. If it's not clear to you, then the only resolution of this fact is to wait and see what happens. I'm not here to convince you. I'm only stating what I believe to be true, and as further news rolls in, we will see. It's obvious you've decided to believe what you want to believe, because you have your biases about what you think Canon should be doing in order to remain competitive in the pro DSLR market.
wickerprints wrote:
Regardless of what Canon *might* do in the future, if the press release is to be taken on its face, the intent is clear: Canon has merged the 1D and 1Ds lines into the 1D X, which is exactly what I stated. Whether they may decide to offer something else in the future is not something anyone--even Canon themselves--can claim to know.
I realize that this move is unpleasant news for some people. But once the denial passes, the only thing left is the reality of the situation. I can't say I'm a fan of it myself. But I call it like I see it, and the evidence has borne itself out. As I predicted, the 1D X is going to be a very expensive flagship body....Show more →
I agree completely... My "guess" is that the price will be in the range of $6500 to $8000.
Does this apparent platform merger mean that Canon will not be challenging the medium format market? (In terms of resolution and the ability for extremely large prints.)
It will be very interesting to see where the 5Dx series goes or whether a 3Dx line emerges. My own "conjecture" is that we'll still see a platform with larger pixel densities and a video feature set which could possibly compete with RED on the low end...
BennyR wrote:
Something tells me Canon isn't going to abandon the high MP crowd.
Or perhaps they are catering to another part of the market without cannibalizing other cameras in their lineup the only way they know how...by releasing a high frame rate, lower MP pro grade FF body leaving the 7D for those who demand most ppd ('limited' by smaller sensor size, sealing/build), the 5D for those who demand a lower cost high mp ff body (limited by FPS, buffer, AF and sealing/build) and the 1Ds for those in need of a high mp ff pro grade body (limited by FPS and buffer). In fact this seems perfectly logical.
I say this one will cost around $6-7k, with a new super whopper medium-format-esque entirely new body style, entirely new sensor type, entirely new style of body we've never seen before from Canon being released next year that will be in the $10k range.
The fact is the cameras have gotten ridiculously good over the years and now something like the 1D X is more than about 95% of the population needs. Although only 50% of those will admit that.
M Vers wrote:
Right, but I really doubt those shooting at such high frame rates would use outer points anyway--most people I know who shoot sports and wildlife only use the center, even on a 1-series. The main advantage would be for those who use fast primes and would rather avoid F&R. Give me 19 all x-type f/2.8 sensitive points spread across 75-80% of the VF and I'd be a pig in shart.
I agree, I have avoided outer points in high speed servo, but it would be great if you could use them reliably. I've found outer points on 1 series to be very reliable, but f/2.8 outer x-types would be great.
In the press release, Canon has declared this their unified flagship, and so it is their flagship. It's been 4 years since the 1Ds3, and the CR's been running rumours about the 1D & 1Ds merging for a while now. There's no two ways around pointing out that this is clearly based as a natural 1D replacement.
An obvious guess would suggest that if anyone was looking for a higher MP 35mm SLR camera that has the benefit of 4 more years of progress has two options: either accept a lower featureset in the form of a 5D3, or jump to Nikon. Yes, something could come straight out of left-field, but there's no information.
I bet that the 1Ds is no more and Canon will release a different high resolution body altogether.
Maybe a complete departure to the 1Ds, like a different mount or different form factor or something?
Maybe a more modular design like the Epic or whatever?
I'm sorry but people have been speculating about the merger of the 1Ds and 1D product lines for quite some time now. I don't understand why so many of you are now shocked or appalled by this. I also don't get why some of you are complaining that there aren't enough pixels. All this time, people have been demanding better AF, better noise and DR, better ISO, better frame rates...and if the press is to be believed, Canon delivered on all of these. Some of you even said you didn't need 21 MP, openly envying NIkon's 12 MP sensors for their superior imaging performance. So what did they do? They made what they thought you wanted. And now, it's not good enough? You want a hypothetical D800? That is just illogical.
Do you really think that you're entitled to make Canon design bodies to satisfy your individual whims? It's frustrating to see how so many of you are disappointed when all you have is a spec list and rumors of what Nikon might be doing.
Some people will find any reason to complain. There's no way Canon will ever win with some of you. Nothing is ever good enough. I have my issues with Canon, but in this case I see no reason to be bitching about this camera as being insufficient or technologically regressive, especially when none of you even knows how it performs in real life.
wickerprints wrote:
I read the press release. It's clear to me. If it's not clear to you, then the only resolution of this fact is to wait and see what happens. I'm not here to convince you. I'm only stating what I believe to be true, and as further news rolls in, we will see. It's obvious you've decided to believe what you want to believe, because you have your biases about what you think Canon should be doing in order to remain competitive in the pro DSLR market.
Bias? Because I don't think a HIGHLY competitive company that holds a leading position in the market will surrender the top tier of that market that portrays bias? If you want to determine what you believe to be clear by simply guessing, basing that guess on a hunch, then that's fine. I just think it would be wiser to wait and see what Canon does before jumping to conclusions... http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/additional/large/office_space_kit_mat.jpg
