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p.33 #1EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
Ralph Conway wrote:
If Iso 25.600 compares to 5D MKs 3.200
I think this is unlikely if I'm honest. I'm expecting the 1dx to be a "little bit" better than the d3s, according to Canons own view of the two stop increase compared to the 1d4.
That would make it 1 stop better than the 5d2 and about 1-2 stops better than the 5dc.
ISO3200 -> ISO25,600 is 3 stops and I doubt that... but we'll see I suppose.
If Iso 25.600 compares to 5D MKs 3.200
I think this is unlikely if I'm honest. I'm expecting the 1dx to be a "little bit" better than the d3s, according to Canons own view of the two stop increase compared to the 1d4.
That would make it 1 stop better than the 5d2 and about 1-2 stops better than the 5dc.
ISO3200 -> ISO25,600 is 3 stops and I doubt that... but we'll see I suppose.
Oct 19, 2011 at 08:44 AM
p.33 #2EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
justruss wrote:
I think the 1Dx makes a lot of sense.
(Obviously, just my opinion... only saying that since the FM crowd seems to be in one of its snappy phases.)
The 1-series body (size/weight/sealing/bombproofness) mainly makes sense for shooters who don't need miles and miles of resolution (even for most professional DSLR uses, by volume, 12 MP is probably more than enough) anyway. It's for sports, crazy weather conditions, daily high-volume shooting, and long lenses.
In my opinion-- since at least the DSLR days-- the 1Ds series has been moving ever more closer to odd duck status. The 1D always made more sense:...Show more →
+1. Agree fully. I've posted this before, but never so eloquently and cogently stated.
I think the 1Dx makes a lot of sense.
(Obviously, just my opinion... only saying that since the FM crowd seems to be in one of its snappy phases.)
The 1-series body (size/weight/sealing/bombproofness) mainly makes sense for shooters who don't need miles and miles of resolution (even for most professional DSLR uses, by volume, 12 MP is probably more than enough) anyway. It's for sports, crazy weather conditions, daily high-volume shooting, and long lenses.
In my opinion-- since at least the DSLR days-- the 1Ds series has been moving ever more closer to odd duck status. The 1D always made more sense:...Show more →
+1. Agree fully. I've posted this before, but never so eloquently and cogently stated.
Oct 19, 2011 at 08:45 AM
p.33 #3EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
PhilDWedding wrote:
I think this is unlikely if I'm honest. I'm expecting the 1dx to be a "little bit" better than the d3s, according to Canons own view of the two stop increase compared to the 1d4.
That would make it 1 stop better than the 5d2 and about 1-2 stops better than the 5dc.
ISO3200 -> ISO25,600 is 3 stops and I doubt that... but we'll see I suppose.
1 Stop better than the 5D2 at ISO 3200 unprocessed is realistic, but at the maximum I would expect, and still very difficult to get to. It will mean a sensor effiiciency of 66%, The D3s gets to 57% (sensorgen.info)
However, the read noise signature of the 5DII is not pretty, showing in as banding and blotching at 12800 and above. The potential for multiple stop improvements lies in at what extreme ISO you can get an image that doesn't look like crap. That may well be 2-3 stops better than the 5DII.
Lastly, we have been disappointed by Canon marketing claims about noise performance before.....
Ralph Conway wrote
If Iso 25.600 compares to 5D MKs 3.200That would make it 1 stop better than the 5d2 and about 1-2 stops better than the 5dc.
ISO3200 -> ISO25,600 is 3 stops and I doubt that... but we'll see I suppose.
1 Stop better than the 5D2 at ISO 3200 unprocessed is realistic, but at the maximum I would expect, and still very difficult to get to. It will mean a sensor effiiciency of 66%, The D3s gets to 57% (sensorgen.info)
However, the read noise signature of the 5DII is not pretty, showing in as banding and blotching at 12800 and above. The potential for multiple stop improvements lies in at what extreme ISO you can get an image that doesn't look like crap. That may well be 2-3 stops better than the 5DII.
Lastly, we have been disappointed by Canon marketing claims about noise performance before.....
Oct 19, 2011 at 09:07 AM
p.33 #4EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
If they throw native 25,600 ISO on the 5D3... I will be extremely happy. I need/use 12,800 and H1 more then I want to, but have no choice. It may not look the best but does the job. To have it have 2-stop improvement would be amazing.
I would be happy with a new sensor, digic 5, 7D AF (updated) and new LCD with slightly better sealing. I would be happy enough to upgrade from the 5D2 without thinking twice.
I would be happy with a new sensor, digic 5, 7D AF (updated) and new LCD with slightly better sealing. I would be happy enough to upgrade from the 5D2 without thinking twice.
Oct 19, 2011 at 09:12 AM
p.33 #5EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
I haven't been this impressed with a canon body announcement since the 1DS II.
Oct 19, 2011 at 09:19 AM
p.33 #6EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
alundeb wrote:
I think this is unlikely if I'm honest. I'm expecting the 1dx to be a "little bit" better than the d3s, according to Canons own view of the two stop increase compared to the 1d4.
That would make it 1 stop better than the 5d2 and about 1-2 stops better than the 5dc.
ISO3200 -> ISO25,600 is 3 stops and I doubt that... but we'll see I suppose.1 Stop better than the 5D2 at ISO 3200 unprocessed is realistic, but at the maximum I would expect, and still very difficult to get to. It will mean a sensor effiiciency of 66%, The D3s gets to 57% (sensorgen.info)
However, the read noise signature of the 5DII is not pretty, showing in as banding and blotching at 12800 and above. The potential for multiple stop improvements lies in at what extreme ISO you can get an image that doesn't look like crap. That may well be 2-3 stops better than the 5DII.
Lastly, we have been disappointed by Canon marketing claims...Show more →
Understand and agree with that. I do think it'll be about 1 stop better than the 5dii since my friends d3s shows that, so I know it's possible. I think a lot of people think sensor tech has moved on WAY more than it actually has. The difference between 5dc and 5dii is not all that much really. Maybe 2/3rd stop?
To be honest, 5dii shows poor quality in the shadows much lower than 12800...
But I still love it.
I hope they get it all sorted out. Happy times.
PhilDWedding wrote
Ralph Conway wrote
If Iso 25.600 compares to 5D MKs 3.200That would make it 1 stop better than the 5d2 and about 1-2 stops better than the 5dc.
ISO3200 -> ISO25,600 is 3 stops and I doubt that... but we'll see I suppose.
However, the read noise signature of the 5DII is not pretty, showing in as banding and blotching at 12800 and above. The potential for multiple stop improvements lies in at what extreme ISO you can get an image that doesn't look like crap. That may well be 2-3 stops better than the 5DII.
Lastly, we have been disappointed by Canon marketing claims...Show more →
Understand and agree with that. I do think it'll be about 1 stop better than the 5dii since my friends d3s shows that, so I know it's possible. I think a lot of people think sensor tech has moved on WAY more than it actually has. The difference between 5dc and 5dii is not all that much really. Maybe 2/3rd stop?
To be honest, 5dii shows poor quality in the shadows much lower than 12800...
But I still love it.I hope they get it all sorted out. Happy times.
Oct 19, 2011 at 09:20 AM
p.33 #7EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
justruss wrote:
I see the 5-series follow-up, whether it's a mkIII or a new camera altogether (3D, or some other name) taking over the high-megapixel crown in the Canon lineup.
...
5D-follow-up - pure IQ king, in still and video (at normal to moderate light/ISO levels). It will not be the "get every shot no matter what" camera, and while it will continue to shine in low-light, it really won't be able to compete with the 1Dx in this area.
Most of what you suggest seems pretty sound but I wanted to comment on what I highlighted, above.
If the 5D-follow-up is the new MP king (meaning 36MP+), it will not be the pure IQ king. More MP != more IQ. It would win in things like resolving power, ability to crop, and all the things that are guaranteed with more MP. But with that would be more noise, artifacts, and all the things that come with making pixels smaller.
That's not to say that a 36MP, FF sensor would create horrible images. But compared to a 18MP sensor, it would by definition have more noise in it. And if Canon could make a 36MP sensor that beat an 18MP sensor in every aspect, it would cost a fortune to produce and they would stick that sensor in a $6800 flagship, not a $2500 camera used by pros and high-end amateurs.
I see the 5-series follow-up, whether it's a mkIII or a new camera altogether (3D, or some other name) taking over the high-megapixel crown in the Canon lineup.
...
5D-follow-up - pure IQ king, in still and video (at normal to moderate light/ISO levels). It will not be the "get every shot no matter what" camera, and while it will continue to shine in low-light, it really won't be able to compete with the 1Dx in this area.
Most of what you suggest seems pretty sound but I wanted to comment on what I highlighted, above.
If the 5D-follow-up is the new MP king (meaning 36MP+), it will not be the pure IQ king. More MP != more IQ. It would win in things like resolving power, ability to crop, and all the things that are guaranteed with more MP. But with that would be more noise, artifacts, and all the things that come with making pixels smaller.
That's not to say that a 36MP, FF sensor would create horrible images. But compared to a 18MP sensor, it would by definition have more noise in it. And if Canon could make a 36MP sensor that beat an 18MP sensor in every aspect, it would cost a fortune to produce and they would stick that sensor in a $6800 flagship, not a $2500 camera used by pros and high-end amateurs.
Oct 19, 2011 at 09:34 AM
p.33 #8EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
alundeb wrote:
I think this is unlikely if I'm honest. I'm expecting the 1dx to be a "little bit" better than the d3s, according to Canons own view of the two stop increase compared to the 1d4.
That would make it 1 stop better than the 5d2 and about 1-2 stops better than the 5dc.
ISO3200 -> ISO25,600 is 3 stops and I doubt that... but we'll see I suppose.1 Stop better than the 5D2 at ISO 3200 unprocessed is realistic, but at the maximum I would expect, and still very difficult to get to. It will mean a sensor effiiciency of 66%, The D3s gets to 57% (sensorgen.info)
However, the read noise signature of the 5DII is not pretty, showing in as banding and blotching at 12800 and above. The potential for multiple stop improvements lies in at what extreme ISO you can get an image that doesn't look like crap. That may well be 2-3 stops better than the 5DII.
Lastly, we have been disappointed by Canon marketing claims...Show more →
Maybe I am a dreamer. But I was not disapointed before. At "native" 6.400 5D MK II images are very stunning (with a little overwork). 3.200 images are without. I expect 1DX pictures usefull at native (51.200), too. And very fine without additional work on the raw file at 25.600. Yes, I expect full 3 stops compared to 5D MK II. Canon would not have made it "native" 50K else.
If it is, (and AF is working, too :-) - sorry, could not let it without) THIS 1DX breaks all borders in any professional needs except resolution. What needs very few (nobody in my mind).
It sat a new standard that will be good enough for all times of photographie.
That there can be done more does not mean there is a need for.
PhilDWedding wrote
Ralph Conway wrote
If Iso 25.600 compares to 5D MKs 3.200That would make it 1 stop better than the 5d2 and about 1-2 stops better than the 5dc.
ISO3200 -> ISO25,600 is 3 stops and I doubt that... but we'll see I suppose.
However, the read noise signature of the 5DII is not pretty, showing in as banding and blotching at 12800 and above. The potential for multiple stop improvements lies in at what extreme ISO you can get an image that doesn't look like crap. That may well be 2-3 stops better than the 5DII.
Lastly, we have been disappointed by Canon marketing claims...Show more →
Maybe I am a dreamer. But I was not disapointed before. At "native" 6.400 5D MK II images are very stunning (with a little overwork). 3.200 images are without. I expect 1DX pictures usefull at native (51.200), too. And very fine without additional work on the raw file at 25.600. Yes, I expect full 3 stops compared to 5D MK II. Canon would not have made it "native" 50K else.
If it is, (and AF is working, too :-) - sorry, could not let it without) THIS 1DX breaks all borders in any professional needs except resolution. What needs very few (nobody in my mind).
It sat a new standard that will be good enough for all times of photographie.
That there can be done more does not mean there is a need for.
Oct 19, 2011 at 09:52 AM
p.33 #9EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
PhilDWedding wrote:
To be honest, 5dii shows poor quality in the shadows much lower than 12800... But I still love it.
I hope they get it all sorted out. Happy times.
:-) To be honest: I was talking about native ISO. That is, what the sensor does. 5D II does not support ISO 12.800. That is just calculated and imho a marketing gag (or: better a bad image than none).
I guess, Canon would not have set D1Xs native ISO to 51.200 if one can not use the images done.
That is the really improvement that blows away all competitors. Next to AF and 12 FPS.
Let´s wait for the pictures.
Ralph
To be honest, 5dii shows poor quality in the shadows much lower than 12800...
But I still love it.I hope they get it all sorted out. Happy times.
:-) To be honest: I was talking about native ISO. That is, what the sensor does. 5D II does not support ISO 12.800. That is just calculated and imho a marketing gag (or: better a bad image than none).
I guess, Canon would not have set D1Xs native ISO to 51.200 if one can not use the images done.
That is the really improvement that blows away all competitors. Next to AF and 12 FPS.
Let´s wait for the pictures.
Ralph
Oct 19, 2011 at 10:04 AM
p.33 #10EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
Ralph Conway wrote:
Maybe I am a dreamer. But I was not disapointed before. At "native" 6.400 5D MK II images are very stunning (with a little overwork). 3.200 images are without. I expect 1DX pictures usefull at native (51.200), too. And very fine without additional work on the raw file at 25.600. Yes, I expect full 3 stops compared to 5D MK II. Canon would not have made it "native" 50K else.
If it is, (and AF is working, too :-) - sorry, could not let it without) THIS 1DX breaks all borders in any professional needs except resolution. What needs...Show more →
I will join your euphoria in my own way, I am happy that not all photographers use high resolution as a tool to produce stunning images, which means we can differentiate our aesthetic expressions and all be happy
But I don't understand how you expect a sensor to collect 240% of the light falling onto it, that is what is necessary to get 3 stops ISO improvement with 5dII 3200 as a reference
Maybe I am a dreamer. But I was not disapointed before. At "native" 6.400 5D MK II images are very stunning (with a little overwork). 3.200 images are without. I expect 1DX pictures usefull at native (51.200), too. And very fine without additional work on the raw file at 25.600. Yes, I expect full 3 stops compared to 5D MK II. Canon would not have made it "native" 50K else.
If it is, (and AF is working, too :-) - sorry, could not let it without) THIS 1DX breaks all borders in any professional needs except resolution. What needs...Show more →
I will join your euphoria in my own way, I am happy that not all photographers use high resolution as a tool to produce stunning images, which means we can differentiate our aesthetic expressions and all be happy
But I don't understand how you expect a sensor to collect 240% of the light falling onto it, that is what is necessary to get 3 stops ISO improvement with 5dII 3200 as a reference
Oct 19, 2011 at 10:48 AM
p.33 #11EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
Sample 1D X photos, including several ISO 51K and 102K ISO. Thumbnail size so take them with a grain (pun intended!) of salt.
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20111020_484856.html
And translated version:
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdc.watch.impress.co.jp%2Fdocs%2Fnews%2F20111020_484856.html
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20111020_484856.html
And translated version:
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdc.watch.impress.co.jp%2Fdocs%2Fnews%2F20111020_484856.html
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p.33 #12EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
I swear, every other thread on page one of these boards is (understandably) devoted to 1D X. Can we ask the moderator to roll them all into one probably?
Oct 19, 2011 at 11:05 AM
p.33 #13EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
Cool sample images!
This is an ISO 51200 image taken with a lowly Rebel camera (500D) back in 2009. ISO 12800 pushed 2 stops
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/ufiles/32/347832.jpg
This is an ISO 51200 image taken with a lowly Rebel camera (500D) back in 2009. ISO 12800 pushed 2 stops
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/ufiles/32/347832.jpg
Oct 19, 2011 at 11:05 AM
p.33 #14EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
alundeb wrote:
If it is, (and AF is working, too :-) - sorry, could not let it without) THIS 1DX breaks all borders in any professional needs except resolution. What needs very few (nobody in my mind).
It sat a new standard that will be good enough for all times of photographie.
That there can be done more does not mean there is a need for.I will join your euphoria in my own way, I am happy that not all photographers use high resolution as a tool to produce stunning images, which means we can differentiate our aesthetic expressions and all be happy
But I don't understand how you expect a sensor to collect 240% of the light falling onto it, that is what is necessary to get 3 stops ISO improvement with 5dII 3200 as a reference
High resolution makes stunning images? That is new for me. We are far above 35mm since 6 MP. And there are millions of stunning images from the midtwenties, the 30th, 40th, 50th, 60th, 70th, 80th, 90th and the first three years of this century. And after, too.
I did not expect that a sensor collects 240% of the light falling on it. I just expect, that this new sensor registers 3times less light falling on it than before. That is what is necessary to get a 3 stop ISO improvement with the 5D in Reference. The 5D MK II does not react on 100% of the incomming light.
Ralph Conway wrote
Maybe I am a dreamer. But I was not disapointed before. At "native" 6.400 5D MK II images are very stunning (with a little overwork). 3.200 images are without. I expect 1DX pictures usefull at native (51.200), too. And very fine without additional work on the raw file at 25.600. Yes, I expect full 3 stops compared to 5D MK II. Canon would not have made it "native" 50K else.If it is, (and AF is working, too :-) - sorry, could not let it without) THIS 1DX breaks all borders in any professional needs except resolution. What needs very few (nobody in my mind).
It sat a new standard that will be good enough for all times of photographie.
That there can be done more does not mean there is a need for.
But I don't understand how you expect a sensor to collect 240% of the light falling onto it, that is what is necessary to get 3 stops ISO improvement with 5dII 3200 as a reference
High resolution makes stunning images? That is new for me. We are far above 35mm since 6 MP. And there are millions of stunning images from the midtwenties, the 30th, 40th, 50th, 60th, 70th, 80th, 90th and the first three years of this century. And after, too.
I did not expect that a sensor collects 240% of the light falling on it. I just expect, that this new sensor registers 3times less light falling on it than before. That is what is necessary to get a 3 stop ISO improvement with the 5D in Reference. The 5D MK II does not react on 100% of the incomming light.
Oct 19, 2011 at 11:46 AM
p.33 #15EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
melcat wrote:
3. Cropping from full frame isn't the same as composing in the finder on a 1.3 crop camera.
it's not.
it's easier
with wider FOV it's easier to see where the bird or player is and should the bird or more likely player happen to come in close an din can come in much closer without getting clipped off (the latter much more common in sports than for birding though)
of course in this case the desnity is lower so cropping from FF 1D X is not the same as shooting with a 1D4, however the composing is easier and better
3. Cropping from full frame isn't the same as composing in the finder on a 1.3 crop camera.
it's not.
it's easier
with wider FOV it's easier to see where the bird or player is and should the bird or more likely player happen to come in close an din can come in much closer without getting clipped off (the latter much more common in sports than for birding though)
of course in this case the desnity is lower so cropping from FF 1D X is not the same as shooting with a 1D4, however the composing is easier and better
Oct 19, 2011 at 12:02 PM
p.33 #16EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
justruss wrote:
I expect the 5D follow-up to get better AF-- but not 1-series quality. There's plenty of complaining about the 5Dmk2 here in terms of AF... but for the vast, vast majority of uses, even those professional ones-- and notably those this camera is designed for (not sports)-- the AF is great.
and yet nikon keeps putting better and better AF into all their models, i see say the D7000 even tracks better than the 7D
come on, 5D needs serious best effort AF
anyway:
1DX 18MP, super speed 12-14fps, FF, giant brick
5D3 34MP, 6.3fps, prior 1 series level AF at the worst, FF, compact with optional grip
or maybe the latter split to
5D3 38MP4-6fps, prior 1 series level AF, FF, video with a bit of line skipping but a little better than on current models
3D 26-28MP, 6.3fps, prior 1 series AF at worst, FF, flawlessly sampled video
5 and 3 series small bodies with optional grips
the truly serious sports shooters need 8fps min so they have to get 1DX so 1Dx is protected for it's main target market (although the way canon talks they make it sound like they want the 1Ds crowd to all get 1DX instead of D800/5D3/3D but I don't see how that will hold up)
I expect the 5D follow-up to get better AF-- but not 1-series quality. There's plenty of complaining about the 5Dmk2 here in terms of AF... but for the vast, vast majority of uses, even those professional ones-- and notably those this camera is designed for (not sports)-- the AF is great.
and yet nikon keeps putting better and better AF into all their models, i see say the D7000 even tracks better than the 7D
come on, 5D needs serious best effort AF
anyway:
1DX 18MP, super speed 12-14fps, FF, giant brick
5D3 34MP, 6.3fps, prior 1 series level AF at the worst, FF, compact with optional grip
or maybe the latter split to
5D3 38MP4-6fps, prior 1 series level AF, FF, video with a bit of line skipping but a little better than on current models
3D 26-28MP, 6.3fps, prior 1 series AF at worst, FF, flawlessly sampled video
5 and 3 series small bodies with optional grips
the truly serious sports shooters need 8fps min so they have to get 1DX so 1Dx is protected for it's main target market (although the way canon talks they make it sound like they want the 1Ds crowd to all get 1DX instead of D800/5D3/3D but I don't see how that will hold up)
Oct 19, 2011 at 12:11 PM
p.33 #17EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
wickerprints wrote:
My personal vision of the future of the EOS product line is guided by the driving force of lower sensor cost per unit area. While APS-C is here to stay, it is important to understand that APS-H was initially introduced because a 24x36mm full frame sensor was still prohibitively expensive to manufacture. Now that the 5D-series bodies demonstrate that full frame sensor production is reasonably economical, there is less and less reason to continue with APS-H, also considering that no EF lenses exist that precisely fit that format's image circle.
So what I hope to see for the future is a...Show more →
so far signs are that high MP does not hurt low iso DR in the realms we have been dealing with and some even hint it may help so why should class #2 be moderate DR?
and by low frame rate i hope you mean 6.3fps and not 4fps or something otherwise you'd need to spend $6800 to get speed on other than xxD series APS-C, that would really push some to switch to nikon i think
My personal vision of the future of the EOS product line is guided by the driving force of lower sensor cost per unit area. While APS-C is here to stay, it is important to understand that APS-H was initially introduced because a 24x36mm full frame sensor was still prohibitively expensive to manufacture. Now that the 5D-series bodies demonstrate that full frame sensor production is reasonably economical, there is less and less reason to continue with APS-H, also considering that no EF lenses exist that precisely fit that format's image circle.
So what I hope to see for the future is a...Show more →
so far signs are that high MP does not hurt low iso DR in the realms we have been dealing with and some even hint it may help so why should class #2 be moderate DR?
and by low frame rate i hope you mean 6.3fps and not 4fps or something otherwise you'd need to spend $6800 to get speed on other than xxD series APS-C, that would really push some to switch to nikon i think
Oct 19, 2011 at 12:16 PM
p.33 #18EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
Ralph Conway wrote:
High resolution makes stunning images? That is new for me. We are far above 35mm since 6 MP. And there are millions of stunning images from the midtwenties, the 30th, 40th, 50th, 60th, 70th, 80th, 90th and the first three years of this century. And after, too.
I did not expect that a sensor collects 240% of the light falling on it. I just expect, that this new sensor registers 3times less light falling on it than before. That is what is necessary to get a 3 stop ISO improvement with the 5D in Reference. The 5D MK II does...Show more →
There is no reason to continue the resolution debate, since you have obviously never experienced how people react to images with detail level at 200MP equivalent.
Your comments about image noise reveal that you know little about it. There is plenty of literature. This is a bit technical, but covers the main aspects:
http://theory.uchicago.edu/~ejm/pix/20d/tests/noise/
High resolution makes stunning images? That is new for me. We are far above 35mm since 6 MP. And there are millions of stunning images from the midtwenties, the 30th, 40th, 50th, 60th, 70th, 80th, 90th and the first three years of this century. And after, too.
I did not expect that a sensor collects 240% of the light falling on it. I just expect, that this new sensor registers 3times less light falling on it than before. That is what is necessary to get a 3 stop ISO improvement with the 5D in Reference. The 5D MK II does...Show more →
There is no reason to continue the resolution debate, since you have obviously never experienced how people react to images with detail level at 200MP equivalent.
Your comments about image noise reveal that you know little about it. There is plenty of literature. This is a bit technical, but covers the main aspects:
http://theory.uchicago.edu/~ejm/pix/20d/tests/noise/
Oct 19, 2011 at 12:17 PM
p.33 #19EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
rolette wrote:
What is missing from the 1D4 to make Auto-ISO "real" for you? The only shortcoming I know of on it is not being able to set EC when in M+Auto-ISO.
well lacking EC in m+auto is a kinda of big thing
Beni wrote
Next question, is there finally a real auto iso?well lacking EC in m+auto is a kinda of big thing
Oct 19, 2011 at 12:18 PM
p.33 #20EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
David Baldwin wrote:
I'm still hoping for a full frame Rebel.
Speaking entirely personally (as a landscape and portrait photographer), even though I love my 5D2, cost will prevent me automatically updating to the 5D3, then 5D4 etc. I plan to use my 5D2 for another 3 years, then I can justify the cost of a new FF body then.
Whereas if Canon brought out a (significantly cheaper) FF Rebel, with a great sensor but more limited AF and less ergonomic finesse, then I might upgrade every time the body is updated. The real question is whether there are enough people like me, who...Show more →
5 series IS the FF rebel, what can they do to make it less expensive? not much anything
maybe shave off $200 at the most
I'm still hoping for a full frame Rebel.
Speaking entirely personally (as a landscape and portrait photographer), even though I love my 5D2, cost will prevent me automatically updating to the 5D3, then 5D4 etc. I plan to use my 5D2 for another 3 years, then I can justify the cost of a new FF body then.
Whereas if Canon brought out a (significantly cheaper) FF Rebel, with a great sensor but more limited AF and less ergonomic finesse, then I might upgrade every time the body is updated. The real question is whether there are enough people like me, who...Show more →
5 series IS the FF rebel, what can they do to make it less expensive? not much anything
maybe shave off $200 at the most
Oct 19, 2011 at 12:21 PM