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p.32 #1EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
My personal vision of the future of the EOS product line is guided by the driving force of lower sensor cost per unit area. While APS-C is here to stay, it is important to understand that APS-H was initially introduced because a 24x36mm full frame sensor was still prohibitively expensive to manufacture. Now that the 5D-series bodies demonstrate that full frame sensor production is reasonably economical, there is less and less reason to continue with APS-H, also considering that no EF lenses exist that precisely fit that format's image circle.
So what I hope to see for the future is a branching into three full frame product lines, in decreasing order of price:
1. high ISO, high DR, high frame rate, but moderate resolution pro body (i.e., 1DX)
2. moderate ISO, moderate DR, low frame rate, but extremely high resolution body (5D3? 3D?)
3. very high ISO, very high DR, low frame rate, but low resolution budget body emphasizing video (7D2?)
This way, all the single-digit series bodies are full frame, but each line is built to different shooting needs. The first is for the pros who don't need maximum resolution, but do need the camera to be absolutely reliable under a wide variety of conditions. The second is for the studio photographers who need to extract as much resolving power for large prints, but don't need insane AF tracking or high ISO. But it will have very precise AF for shooting with fast-aperture primes. And the third is for those who are looking to step up from APS-C but can't afford the other two bodies; as well as the HD video shooters. This last body has serviceable AF.
I hope this is what Canon also sees. Despite the popularity of micro 4/3rds, mirrorless bodies, and the NEX system, full frame is the future of DSLRs. If you're going to buy something with a mirror, it might as well have the biggest sensor you can put into it. APS-C DSLRs are merely the gateway drug, so to speak; get consumers hooked on the lenses, because the optics is one area in which the micro formats inherently cannot compete. Instead of trying to compete in an increasingly crowded field (Nikon 1? Micro 4/3rds? NEX?), it makes much more sense to serve the variety of working professionals and image connoisseurs by elevating and differentiating the DSLR from these compact bodies with tiny pixels.
It's important to look at the big picture--no pun intended. When I look at the road ahead, I see that the (D)SLR concept is one that not only needs to continually proclaim its relevancy, but also needs to establish its primacy as the serious photographer's tool of choice. It is a paradigm that has survived the tumultuous transition from film to digital; it has grown and adapted to suit the photographer's needs. As I think this thread so clearly demonstrates, it is often all too easy to look at a single body and get mired in the details--to the point that the slightest controversy over a single feature can get blown completely out of proportion. In the grand scheme of things, these details really aren't all that important.
As photographers, we are all so fond of saying "it's the photographer, not the camera." We want the public to understand that it's our artistic contribution that makes the image what it is, and we take offense when people ignorantly comment how amazing our tools must be to have gotten the shot we did. And then, in the comfort of such forums, we proceed to turn around and try to divine some kind of inviolable truth from press releases of the latest camera or lens, reading the tea leaves as if it means all the difference to our work. Perhaps we might have better success in conveying the value of our artistic vision if we first practice amongst ourselves what we preach to the rest of the world.
Edited on Oct 19, 2011 at 05:13 AM · View previous versions
So what I hope to see for the future is a branching into three full frame product lines, in decreasing order of price:
1. high ISO, high DR, high frame rate, but moderate resolution pro body (i.e., 1DX)
2. moderate ISO, moderate DR, low frame rate, but extremely high resolution body (5D3? 3D?)
3. very high ISO, very high DR, low frame rate, but low resolution budget body emphasizing video (7D2?)
This way, all the single-digit series bodies are full frame, but each line is built to different shooting needs. The first is for the pros who don't need maximum resolution, but do need the camera to be absolutely reliable under a wide variety of conditions. The second is for the studio photographers who need to extract as much resolving power for large prints, but don't need insane AF tracking or high ISO. But it will have very precise AF for shooting with fast-aperture primes. And the third is for those who are looking to step up from APS-C but can't afford the other two bodies; as well as the HD video shooters. This last body has serviceable AF.
I hope this is what Canon also sees. Despite the popularity of micro 4/3rds, mirrorless bodies, and the NEX system, full frame is the future of DSLRs. If you're going to buy something with a mirror, it might as well have the biggest sensor you can put into it. APS-C DSLRs are merely the gateway drug, so to speak; get consumers hooked on the lenses, because the optics is one area in which the micro formats inherently cannot compete. Instead of trying to compete in an increasingly crowded field (Nikon 1? Micro 4/3rds? NEX?), it makes much more sense to serve the variety of working professionals and image connoisseurs by elevating and differentiating the DSLR from these compact bodies with tiny pixels.
It's important to look at the big picture--no pun intended. When I look at the road ahead, I see that the (D)SLR concept is one that not only needs to continually proclaim its relevancy, but also needs to establish its primacy as the serious photographer's tool of choice. It is a paradigm that has survived the tumultuous transition from film to digital; it has grown and adapted to suit the photographer's needs. As I think this thread so clearly demonstrates, it is often all too easy to look at a single body and get mired in the details--to the point that the slightest controversy over a single feature can get blown completely out of proportion. In the grand scheme of things, these details really aren't all that important.
As photographers, we are all so fond of saying "it's the photographer, not the camera." We want the public to understand that it's our artistic contribution that makes the image what it is, and we take offense when people ignorantly comment how amazing our tools must be to have gotten the shot we did. And then, in the comfort of such forums, we proceed to turn around and try to divine some kind of inviolable truth from press releases of the latest camera or lens, reading the tea leaves as if it means all the difference to our work. Perhaps we might have better success in conveying the value of our artistic vision if we first practice amongst ourselves what we preach to the rest of the world.
Edited on Oct 19, 2011 at 05:13 AM · View previous versions
Oct 19, 2011 at 05:06 AM
p.32 #2EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
chrisdee wrote:
Au contraire, I think people who appreciate the advantages of 1DIV are most likely to be happy they own it. In fact, there are/will be photographers who will rush to buy an extra mk4 or two before Canon stops making them just because the X does not really replace the mk4 in some areas (like pixel density and autofocus at f/8), besides being significantly more expensive.
Agreed, I have zero intention of replacing my 1Dmk4 for the reasons you state. I'm more interested now in what Canon does with the 5Dmk2 replacement. Hopefully that retails for around 50% of what the 1Dx will.
campyone wrote
If I were a 1DIV owner I think I'd be a little POed. The 1DX seems aimed at replacing it, not so much the 1DsIII. Maybe they'll make the 1DsIII owners drool over the one to be announced next. From what little I know right now I wouldn't be the least bit tempted to replace my 1Ds MarkIII with a 1D X.Agreed, I have zero intention of replacing my 1Dmk4 for the reasons you state. I'm more interested now in what Canon does with the 5Dmk2 replacement. Hopefully that retails for around 50% of what the 1Dx will.
Oct 19, 2011 at 05:06 AM
p.32 #3EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
wickerprints wrote:
My personal vision of the future of the EOS product line is guided by the driving force of lower sensor cost per unit area. While APS-C is here to stay, it is important to understand that APS-H was initially introduced because a 24x36mm full frame sensor was still prohibitively expensive to manufacture. Now that the 5D-series bodies demonstrate that full frame sensor production is reasonably economical, there is less and less reason to continue with APS-H, also considering that no EF lenses exist that precisely fit that format's image circle.
So what I hope to see for the future is a...Show more →
However, IMO APS-H is the best all round compromise irrespective of the need these days. It's too good to pass up. I'd rather APS-C was only kept for Rebel class cameras and APS-H for all non FF non 1 series.
My personal vision of the future of the EOS product line is guided by the driving force of lower sensor cost per unit area. While APS-C is here to stay, it is important to understand that APS-H was initially introduced because a 24x36mm full frame sensor was still prohibitively expensive to manufacture. Now that the 5D-series bodies demonstrate that full frame sensor production is reasonably economical, there is less and less reason to continue with APS-H, also considering that no EF lenses exist that precisely fit that format's image circle.
So what I hope to see for the future is a...Show more →
However, IMO APS-H is the best all round compromise irrespective of the need these days. It's too good to pass up. I'd rather APS-C was only kept for Rebel class cameras and APS-H for all non FF non 1 series.
Oct 19, 2011 at 05:18 AM
p.32 #4EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
thw2 wrote:
27-July to 12-Aug, 2012. London, UK.
Oh OK, I thought Canon was pulling it tighter than that but there should be plenty time.
Beni wrote
When actually are the Olympics? Will there be enough time for the pro's to try, test and get comfortable with the new AF (and believe me they will be wary) before trusting it to such an important event?Oh OK, I thought Canon was pulling it tighter than that but there should be plenty time.
Oct 19, 2011 at 05:22 AM
p.32 #5EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
3D - V.High MP FF Studio\Landscape orientated camera
5D3 - Moderate MP FF Wedding\Video orientated camera
7D2 - Moderate MP APS-H Action\Wildlife orientated camera
Wouldn't be a bad lineup with the 1DX sitting at the top?
5D3 - Moderate MP FF Wedding\Video orientated camera
7D2 - Moderate MP APS-H Action\Wildlife orientated camera
Wouldn't be a bad lineup with the 1DX sitting at the top?
Oct 19, 2011 at 05:22 AM
p.32 #6EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
Just reading throught the CPN 'almost white paper' on the 1DX, some interesting things.
They say that AF has pretty much plateau'd which is interesting. The gyro to detect panning movement and using that data to hand off to other focus points (clever, bet the maths is horrendous for that as it would need to use focal length, subject distance and distance/speed of pan to work) the auto scene detect for image optimisation (wonder who on earth will turn that on in a pro 1 series body) and something which I find very interesting as certain people had been suggesting it for a while, face detection for use with optimising exposure, especially with flash exposure, as a wedding shooter that will be heaven if it works consistently.
They call the weather sealing 'dust and drip proof', that's actually more specific that I've ever seen canon admit to as a standard for their weather sealing. The incredible shutter lag will be most welcome, how does it compare to the new Sony cameras (not that they are comparable, just out of interest). C modes, bless you canon! Took too long but more than just welcome. Shutter count in camera, that's nice as I certainly won't be able to afford these new!
They say that AF has pretty much plateau'd which is interesting. The gyro to detect panning movement and using that data to hand off to other focus points (clever, bet the maths is horrendous for that as it would need to use focal length, subject distance and distance/speed of pan to work) the auto scene detect for image optimisation (wonder who on earth will turn that on in a pro 1 series body) and something which I find very interesting as certain people had been suggesting it for a while, face detection for use with optimising exposure, especially with flash exposure, as a wedding shooter that will be heaven if it works consistently.
They call the weather sealing 'dust and drip proof', that's actually more specific that I've ever seen canon admit to as a standard for their weather sealing. The incredible shutter lag will be most welcome, how does it compare to the new Sony cameras (not that they are comparable, just out of interest). C modes, bless you canon! Took too long but more than just welcome. Shutter count in camera, that's nice as I certainly won't be able to afford these new!
Oct 19, 2011 at 05:35 AM
p.32 #7EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
Beni wrote:
Next question, is there finally a real auto iso?
What is missing from the 1D4 to make Auto-ISO "real" for you? The only shortcoming I know of on it is not being able to set EC when in M+Auto-ISO.
Next question, is there finally a real auto iso?
What is missing from the 1D4 to make Auto-ISO "real" for you? The only shortcoming I know of on it is not being able to set EC when in M+Auto-ISO.
Oct 19, 2011 at 05:42 AM
p.32 #8EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
Can you set the upper and lower limits of both the ISO and the shutter like on Nikon/Pentax/Sony? If it ain't got that then it's useless because you just don't have control. I honestly don't know if you have that feature on the 1D4, the older canon bodies would select a 1/focal length which with this kind of resolution isn't enough, especially when you're trying to freeze movement and your camera chooses a 1/20 with your 16-35L....
Oct 19, 2011 at 05:58 AM
p.32 #9EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
Yes, you can set those on the 1D4. I agree it would be useless without at least the ability to control min shutter speed.
Oct 19, 2011 at 06:14 AM
p.32 #10EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
It's funny - for years, Canon shooters have been begging for a fast FF cam with superb high-ISO and AF a la D3s. Now that it's announced, people are complaining that they'd rather want more MP and less FPS.
At the same time, many Nikon shooters have been wanting more MP - now that it seems the D800 will be 36 MP, they want it to be more like 1D X. No wonder it's hard for marketing to satisfy everybody
I understand this is not the cam for everybody, but for lots of photojournalist, sports shooters & wedding photogs, this will be a fantastic camera. There is absolutely no doubt that these will sell very good IMO.
Off course this is not a very good replacement for 1Ds III for studio work (but who needs 12 FPS in a studio setting?) and given Canons previous line and announced sensor technology, there is no doubt in my mind that they will release a very high MP cam within the next year.
Of course a merging of the 1D/1Ds lines will also be about compromises, but in my mind the compromises made are the most obvious, with the result being a cam with an extremely fast framerate, what sounds like fantastic high-ISO, <20% less effective reach than the 1D IV, improved AF system and greater wide-angle options than APS-H. I definately think Canon has a winner on their hands (if the AF works
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At the same time, many Nikon shooters have been wanting more MP - now that it seems the D800 will be 36 MP, they want it to be more like 1D X. No wonder it's hard for marketing to satisfy everybody
I understand this is not the cam for everybody, but for lots of photojournalist, sports shooters & wedding photogs, this will be a fantastic camera. There is absolutely no doubt that these will sell very good IMO.
Off course this is not a very good replacement for 1Ds III for studio work (but who needs 12 FPS in a studio setting?) and given Canons previous line and announced sensor technology, there is no doubt in my mind that they will release a very high MP cam within the next year.
Of course a merging of the 1D/1Ds lines will also be about compromises, but in my mind the compromises made are the most obvious, with the result being a cam with an extremely fast framerate, what sounds like fantastic high-ISO, <20% less effective reach than the 1D IV, improved AF system and greater wide-angle options than APS-H. I definately think Canon has a winner on their hands (if the AF works
)Oct 19, 2011 at 06:19 AM
p.32 #11EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
I'll be moving up from a 5D II. This camera has hit a lot of good points for me, it won't be for everyone but I'll get one for sure. The specs are impressive and if Canon deliver (no focus issues especially) it's a winner for me.
Available in March!!!! I want that camera now!
Available in March!!!! I want that camera now!
Oct 19, 2011 at 06:32 AM
p.32 #12EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
"AF is unavailable on the EOS-1D X if the maximum aperture reported to the camera through the electronic lens mount is smaller than f/5.6. This is a lower specification than previous EOS-1 series DSLRs."
Probably a long shot, but is it worth noticing that Chuck emphasizes the aperture reported to the cam?
Given that Canon specifically states that the Mark III extenders have a microcontroller to ensure the best performance with the new superteles, could it be that AF would only work with the III extenders?
The whole "but there are so many other great AF features" speak against this, but as far as I remember, using an extender sometimes yields EXIF info the lens + extender, sometimes as the combined focal length and aperture if the the lens ID is unknown to the cam (for example if it has been announced after the cam).
Probably a long shot, but is it worth noticing that Chuck emphasizes the aperture reported to the cam?
Given that Canon specifically states that the Mark III extenders have a microcontroller to ensure the best performance with the new superteles, could it be that AF would only work with the III extenders?
The whole "but there are so many other great AF features" speak against this, but as far as I remember, using an extender sometimes yields EXIF info the lens + extender, sometimes as the combined focal length and aperture if the the lens ID is unknown to the cam (for example if it has been announced after the cam).
Oct 19, 2011 at 06:36 AM
p.32 #13EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
justruss wrote:
I think the 1Dx makes a lot of sense.
(Obviously, just my opinion... only saying that since the FM crowd seems to be in one of its snappy phases.)
The 1-series body (size/weight/sealing/bombproofness) mainly makes sense for shooters who don't need miles and miles of resolution (even for most professional DSLR uses, by volume, 12 MP is probably more than enough) anyway. It's for sports, crazy weather conditions, daily high-volume shooting, and long lenses.
In my opinion-- since at least the DSLR days-- the 1Ds series has been moving ever more closer to odd duck status. The 1D always made more sense:...Show more →
+1
Well thought out and everything you say makes perfect sense to me.
Now, let's see more of the new bodies released soon! (e.g. 5D3, 7D2)
I think the 1Dx makes a lot of sense.
(Obviously, just my opinion... only saying that since the FM crowd seems to be in one of its snappy phases.)
The 1-series body (size/weight/sealing/bombproofness) mainly makes sense for shooters who don't need miles and miles of resolution (even for most professional DSLR uses, by volume, 12 MP is probably more than enough) anyway. It's for sports, crazy weather conditions, daily high-volume shooting, and long lenses.
In my opinion-- since at least the DSLR days-- the 1Ds series has been moving ever more closer to odd duck status. The 1D always made more sense:...Show more →
+1
Well thought out and everything you say makes perfect sense to me.
Now, let's see more of the new bodies released soon! (e.g. 5D3, 7D2)
Oct 19, 2011 at 07:25 AM
p.32 #14EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
On the F8 autofocus issue: It is worth noting that nowhere in the following link is there a combination of lens and extender that reach F8:
cweb.canon.jp/camera/eosd/1dx/feature-afae.html
I’ll say this feature is dead, but if it was deemed a necessary tradeoff for getting more accurate autofocus general and in low light, I’m all for it.
Edit: Cannot get the linky feature to worky, so you have to copy and paste!
cweb.canon.jp/camera/eosd/1dx/feature-afae.html
I’ll say this feature is dead, but if it was deemed a necessary tradeoff for getting more accurate autofocus general and in low light, I’m all for it.
Edit: Cannot get the linky feature to worky, so you have to copy and paste!
Oct 19, 2011 at 07:32 AM
p.32 #15EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
drcph wrote:
It's funny - for years, Canon shooters have been begging for a fast FF cam with superb high-ISO and AF a la D3s. Now that it's announced, people are complaining that they'd rather want more MP and less FPS.
At the same time, many Nikon shooters have been wanting more MP - now that it seems the D800 will be 36 MP, they want it to be more like 1D X. No wonder it's hard for marketing to satisfy everybody
I understand this is not the cam for everybody, but for lots of photojournalist, sports shooters & wedding photogs, this will...Show more →
+5
I am impressed. This is the cam I was dreaming about since I started to shoot digital.
If Iso 25.600 compares to 5D MKs 3.200 (and AF works), this is my choice (and insurance) for the future.
I do NOT need 12 FPS. But why not. I do NOT need a better AF than 5D MK IIs. But sure it´s great to have. I DO need high ISO and great IQ, and I would like to have a sealed pro Body, too.
To those who are angry about 18 MP - a 100% printout in 300dpi makes:
43,9 x 29,7 cm with 18 MP
47,5 x 31,7 cm with 21 MP and
51,2 x 34,1 cm with 24,4 MP
The last poster I printed was in 120 dpi (five dots/millimeter) and it looked perfect from 25 centimeter distance.
To freeze the MP race at 18 delivers (guessed) 98 % of pro AND consumer photographers with more then they really need. And still offers the freedom to crop. The specs of this camera are choosen excellent. I guess it will become a great success.
It's funny - for years, Canon shooters have been begging for a fast FF cam with superb high-ISO and AF a la D3s. Now that it's announced, people are complaining that they'd rather want more MP and less FPS.
At the same time, many Nikon shooters have been wanting more MP - now that it seems the D800 will be 36 MP, they want it to be more like 1D X. No wonder it's hard for marketing to satisfy everybody
I understand this is not the cam for everybody, but for lots of photojournalist, sports shooters & wedding photogs, this will...Show more →
+5
I am impressed. This is the cam I was dreaming about since I started to shoot digital.
If Iso 25.600 compares to 5D MKs 3.200 (and AF works), this is my choice (and insurance) for the future.
I do NOT need 12 FPS. But why not. I do NOT need a better AF than 5D MK IIs. But sure it´s great to have. I DO need high ISO and great IQ, and I would like to have a sealed pro Body, too.
To those who are angry about 18 MP - a 100% printout in 300dpi makes:
43,9 x 29,7 cm with 18 MP
47,5 x 31,7 cm with 21 MP and
51,2 x 34,1 cm with 24,4 MP
The last poster I printed was in 120 dpi (five dots/millimeter) and it looked perfect from 25 centimeter distance.
To freeze the MP race at 18 delivers (guessed) 98 % of pro AND consumer photographers with more then they really need. And still offers the freedom to crop. The specs of this camera are choosen excellent. I guess it will become a great success.
Oct 19, 2011 at 08:08 AM
p.32 #16EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
justruss wrote:
I think the 1Dx makes a lot of sense.
(Obviously, just my opinion... only saying that since the FM crowd seems to be in one of its snappy phases.)
The 1-series body (size/weight/sealing/bombproofness) mainly makes sense for shooters who don't need miles and miles of resolution (even for most professional DSLR uses, by volume, 12 MP is probably more than enough) anyway. It's for sports, crazy weather conditions, daily high-volume shooting, and long lenses.
In my opinion-- since at least the DSLR days-- the 1Ds series has been moving ever more closer to odd duck status. The 1D always made more sense:...Show more →
Overall, this is the most sensible and cogent analysis of likely future plans by Canon that I've ever read.
However, the one glaring weakness IMO, is that many of Canon's past bodies have not seemed to fit a sensible plan!
I think the 1Dx makes a lot of sense.
(Obviously, just my opinion... only saying that since the FM crowd seems to be in one of its snappy phases.)
The 1-series body (size/weight/sealing/bombproofness) mainly makes sense for shooters who don't need miles and miles of resolution (even for most professional DSLR uses, by volume, 12 MP is probably more than enough) anyway. It's for sports, crazy weather conditions, daily high-volume shooting, and long lenses.
In my opinion-- since at least the DSLR days-- the 1Ds series has been moving ever more closer to odd duck status. The 1D always made more sense:...Show more →
Overall, this is the most sensible and cogent analysis of likely future plans by Canon that I've ever read.
However, the one glaring weakness IMO, is that many of Canon's past bodies have not seemed to fit a sensible plan!
Oct 19, 2011 at 08:14 AM
p.32 #17EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
I'm still hoping for a full frame Rebel.
Speaking entirely personally (as a landscape and portrait photographer), even though I love my 5D2, cost will prevent me automatically updating to the 5D3, then 5D4 etc. I plan to use my 5D2 for another 3 years, then I can justify the cost of a new FF body then.
Whereas if Canon brought out a (significantly cheaper) FF Rebel, with a great sensor but more limited AF and less ergonomic finesse, then I might upgrade every time the body is updated. The real question is whether there are enough people like me, who would tolerate a great FF sensor in a compromised body, to keep the price low.
Speaking entirely personally (as a landscape and portrait photographer), even though I love my 5D2, cost will prevent me automatically updating to the 5D3, then 5D4 etc. I plan to use my 5D2 for another 3 years, then I can justify the cost of a new FF body then.
Whereas if Canon brought out a (significantly cheaper) FF Rebel, with a great sensor but more limited AF and less ergonomic finesse, then I might upgrade every time the body is updated. The real question is whether there are enough people like me, who would tolerate a great FF sensor in a compromised body, to keep the price low.
Oct 19, 2011 at 08:21 AM
p.32 #18EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
justruss wrote:
I think the 1Dx makes a lot of sense.
(Obviously, just my opinion... only saying that since the FM crowd seems to be in one of its snappy phases.)
The 1-series body (size/weight/sealing/bombproofness) mainly makes sense for shooters who don't need miles and miles of resolution (even for most professional DSLR uses, by volume, 12 MP is probably more than enough) anyway. It's for sports, crazy weather conditions, daily high-volume shooting, and long lenses.
In my opinion-- since at least the DSLR days-- the 1Ds series has been moving ever more closer to odd duck status. The 1D always made more sense:...Show more →
+100
Right on!
I think the 1Dx makes a lot of sense.
(Obviously, just my opinion... only saying that since the FM crowd seems to be in one of its snappy phases.)
The 1-series body (size/weight/sealing/bombproofness) mainly makes sense for shooters who don't need miles and miles of resolution (even for most professional DSLR uses, by volume, 12 MP is probably more than enough) anyway. It's for sports, crazy weather conditions, daily high-volume shooting, and long lenses.
In my opinion-- since at least the DSLR days-- the 1Ds series has been moving ever more closer to odd duck status. The 1D always made more sense:...Show more →
+100
Right on!Oct 19, 2011 at 08:31 AM
p.32 #19EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
I don't see APS-H coming back either. If Canon has dropped it from the 1 series, it's a goner. Put me down with the others who think the Ds is dead too.
Oct 19, 2011 at 08:35 AM
p.32 #20EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
David Baldwin wrote:
I'm still hoping for a full frame Rebel.
Speaking entirely personally (as a landscape and portrait photographer), even though I love my 5D2, cost will prevent me automatically updating to the 5D3, then 5D4 etc. I plan to use my 5D2 for another 3 years, then I can justify the cost of a new FF body then.
Whereas if Canon brought out a (significantly cheaper) FF Rebel, with a great sensor but more limited AF and less ergonomic finesse, then I might upgrade every time the body is updated. The real question is whether there are enough people like me, who...Show more →
David, I (and a lot of people) have been saying that a compact FF would be the hot ticket... fully agree with you there. But in the context of the thread... it's really a non contender. The big question is, now that Canon has <probably> dropped the Ds, what are the specs of their top 3 bodies going to look like (7D and 5D being the other two).
I'm still hoping for a full frame Rebel.
Speaking entirely personally (as a landscape and portrait photographer), even though I love my 5D2, cost will prevent me automatically updating to the 5D3, then 5D4 etc. I plan to use my 5D2 for another 3 years, then I can justify the cost of a new FF body then.
Whereas if Canon brought out a (significantly cheaper) FF Rebel, with a great sensor but more limited AF and less ergonomic finesse, then I might upgrade every time the body is updated. The real question is whether there are enough people like me, who...Show more →
David, I (and a lot of people) have been saying that a compact FF would be the hot ticket... fully agree with you there. But in the context of the thread... it's really a non contender. The big question is, now that Canon has <probably> dropped the Ds, what are the specs of their top 3 bodies going to look like (7D and 5D being the other two).
Oct 19, 2011 at 08:39 AM