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p.4 #2EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
Danielkl wrote:
My query is what is going to happen to the 1DS. I do need a high resolution body & regularly print large. CR guy, you seem to be in the loop at lot more than the rest of us. Is the 1Ds4 dead?
I think there may still be some Can users that will pay for used 1Ds IIIs even if there are no further high-res bodies. If Canon thinks that everyone wants to pay more for a body with less resolution than 2007 and replace a 500/4 with 600/4 or 800/5.6 to maintain the same reach, they must be only selling to the sports media. Even so, some will prefer the 1D IV for reach. It is very odd that Canon bothered to upgrade the long teles when an 18 MP camera does not need it as much. Fortunately I will be able to cancel my Canon orders.
If Canon is done with high res and high quality bodies, I hope it does not influence Nikon to do the same and not give us the desired D4x.
EBH
Edited on Oct 17, 2011 at 09:20 PM · View previous versions
My query is what is going to happen to the 1DS. I do need a high resolution body & regularly print large. CR guy, you seem to be in the loop at lot more than the rest of us. Is the 1Ds4 dead?
I think there may still be some Can users that will pay for used 1Ds IIIs even if there are no further high-res bodies. If Canon thinks that everyone wants to pay more for a body with less resolution than 2007 and replace a 500/4 with 600/4 or 800/5.6 to maintain the same reach, they must be only selling to the sports media. Even so, some will prefer the 1D IV for reach. It is very odd that Canon bothered to upgrade the long teles when an 18 MP camera does not need it as much. Fortunately I will be able to cancel my Canon orders.
If Canon is done with high res and high quality bodies, I hope it does not influence Nikon to do the same and not give us the desired D4x.
EBH
Edited on Oct 17, 2011 at 09:20 PM · View previous versions
Oct 17, 2011 at 09:18 PM
p.4 #3EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
Danielkl wrote:
My query is what is going to happen to the 1DS. I do need a high resolution body & regularly print large. CR guy, you seem to be in the loop at lot more than the rest of us. Is the 1Ds4 dead?
1Ds is dead, it doesn't sell
the 5 series (and probably D800) take over fully
My query is what is going to happen to the 1DS. I do need a high resolution body & regularly print large. CR guy, you seem to be in the loop at lot more than the rest of us. Is the 1Ds4 dead?
1Ds is dead, it doesn't sell
the 5 series (and probably D800) take over fully
Oct 17, 2011 at 09:18 PM
p.4 #5EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
skibum5 wrote:
$4700
The D3s is $5500 and the 1DIV is $5000; that puts this camera at $6K minimum, probably $6500.
JON VAN DAAL wrote
Anyone want to guess at a price?The D3s is $5500 and the 1DIV is $5000; that puts this camera at $6K minimum, probably $6500.
Oct 17, 2011 at 09:19 PM
p.4 #7EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
dwweiche wrote:
Interesting that the video features are not given too much column space. Interesting they reduced pixel count from the 1Ds3. Interesting the 1DX is super fast fps.
Which leads me to think the 5D line will be the high MP body with all the video focus, probably their November announcement.
yeah but if you read what it says the video details are killer, full sensor sampled binned video, should give astounding quality, insane low light performance for video, finally deliver true 1920x1080 detail, no moire/aliasing mess, etc. should be insanely high quality!
Interesting that the video features are not given too much column space. Interesting they reduced pixel count from the 1Ds3. Interesting the 1DX is super fast fps.
Which leads me to think the 5D line will be the high MP body with all the video focus, probably their November announcement.
yeah but if you read what it says the video details are killer, full sensor sampled binned video, should give astounding quality, insane low light performance for video, finally deliver true 1920x1080 detail, no moire/aliasing mess, etc. should be insanely high quality!
Oct 17, 2011 at 09:20 PM
p.4 #8EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
I wonder if they will keep making 1D4's. This camera might be popular for a lot of people, but it's not a real replacement for the 1D4 for wildlife photographers who will suddenly be forced to get 30% closer to their subjects for a measly 2mp gain. As a bird photographer I certainly have no interest in replacing my 1D4 with this camera. I would think that most sports photogaphers woul want to keep a 1D4 on hand as well.
Oct 17, 2011 at 09:20 PM
p.4 #9EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
I sort of got a little chub going lol.
Drives the price of the 1d4 down when it comes out...nice.
If it is 5k I don't give a crap, I'm buying it then. If it's 8-10 I'll wait.
Drives the price of the 1d4 down when it comes out...nice.
If it is 5k I don't give a crap, I'm buying it then. If it's 8-10 I'll wait.
Oct 17, 2011 at 09:21 PM
p.4 #10EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
garyvot wrote:
$4700The D3s is $5500 and the 1DIV is $5000; that puts this camera at $6K minimum, probably $6500.
Yea, or closer to 7K off the bat...I hope not, though, as 5K sounds so much better.
skibum5 wrote
JON VAN DAAL wrote
Anyone want to guess at a price?Yea, or closer to 7K off the bat...I hope not, though, as 5K sounds so much better.
Oct 17, 2011 at 09:21 PM
p.4 #11EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
RobertLynn wrote:
I sort of got a little chub going lol.
Drives the price of the 1d4 down when it comes out...nice.
If it is 5k I don't give a crap, I'm buying it then. If it's 8-10 I'll wait.
What if it's 5.1-7.9K?
I sort of got a little chub going lol.
Drives the price of the 1d4 down when it comes out...nice.
If it is 5k I don't give a crap, I'm buying it then. If it's 8-10 I'll wait.
What if it's 5.1-7.9K?
Oct 17, 2011 at 09:21 PM
p.4 #12EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
skibum5 wrote:
yup as long long ago predicted at Northlight, the digic v will be fast enough to fully read and bin and sample the sensor for a huge jump in video quality
sounds like a great cam (other than the huge size and slightly low reach)
but the 5D3 has lots of freedom now and I think it could well get the full 1D4 AF system (and we can always hope this super new system, although that may be wishful thinking I bet), 6.3fps and 24-36MP
and you see how the FF mirrorless rumors came from the mirror locked up mode that gives 14fps...Show more →
Both you and I are still hoping to see an improvement in low ISO dynamic range from Canon... there's no mention about dynamic range... doesn't sound promising. Sigh... this is the one BIG thing I wish Canon can improve upon.
You are right about that part on CR and Northlight being ridiculed... and they turn out right in the end. Yes, they do receive weird speculations from the fanboys... but they are not always wrong. To totally dismiss these rumor sites is itself foolish.
yup as long long ago predicted at Northlight, the digic v will be fast enough to fully read and bin and sample the sensor for a huge jump in video quality
sounds like a great cam (other than the huge size and slightly low reach)
but the 5D3 has lots of freedom now and I think it could well get the full 1D4 AF system (and we can always hope this super new system, although that may be wishful thinking I bet), 6.3fps and 24-36MP
and you see how the FF mirrorless rumors came from the mirror locked up mode that gives 14fps...Show more →
Both you and I are still hoping to see an improvement in low ISO dynamic range from Canon... there's no mention about dynamic range... doesn't sound promising. Sigh... this is the one BIG thing I wish Canon can improve upon.
You are right about that part on CR and Northlight being ridiculed... and they turn out right in the end. Yes, they do receive weird speculations from the fanboys... but they are not always wrong. To totally dismiss these rumor sites is itself foolish.
Oct 17, 2011 at 09:22 PM
p.4 #13EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
garyvot wrote:
I suppose they had to make a D3s killer (something the 1D Mark IV is not). Kind of unfortunate this didn't come out a year and a half ago, however.
I love the promise of the new high ISO sensor and AF improvements, but I was sorely hoping for a different form factor: a modular, EOS-1V type design having 5-6fps naked and 10-12fps with a grip. That would have really shaken up the 1-series line.
My best guess is that this camera will be north of $6K, which will make it a difficult purchase to justify from a value standpoint, at least...Show more →
yeah i really do love the modular design so much more, not a brick fan at all, pop it on for sports at times and otherwise mostly keep it off
I suppose they had to make a D3s killer (something the 1D Mark IV is not). Kind of unfortunate this didn't come out a year and a half ago, however.
I love the promise of the new high ISO sensor and AF improvements, but I was sorely hoping for a different form factor: a modular, EOS-1V type design having 5-6fps naked and 10-12fps with a grip. That would have really shaken up the 1-series line.
My best guess is that this camera will be north of $6K, which will make it a difficult purchase to justify from a value standpoint, at least...Show more →
yeah i really do love the modular design so much more, not a brick fan at all, pop it on for sports at times and otherwise mostly keep it off
Oct 17, 2011 at 09:23 PM
p.4 #14EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
Pixel Perfect wrote:
I agree, and it's great to finally see AF points that are x-type at f/5.6.
In the previous 1D-series bodies, most points were either linear f/5.6 or a mix of f/2.8 and f/5.6 cross-type.
The EOS 7D was the first camera to employ cross-type sensors that were f/5.6 in both directions, as far as I am aware.
When an f/5.6 AF sensor looks through an f/5.6 lens, it operates within f/5.6 depth of focus precision, which is adequate since the lens itself is f/5.6.
When an f/5.6 AF sensor looks through a lens faster than f/5.6, the sensor will operate, but the resulting depth of focus precision *may* not be sufficient to achieve accurate AF, especially if the exposure occurs at a very fast f-number, such as f/1.2.
When an f/2.8 AF sensor looks through an f/5.6 lens, the incident light does not have the phase separation to resolve the focus to the required precision; thus, the sensor is disabled by the camera. If you trick the camera by preventing the body from reading the f-number of the lens, it will attempt to use the AF point anyway, which may result in erratic performance or inability to confirm focus.
When an f/2.8 AF sensor looks through an f/2.8 lens, it operates with additional precision over an f/5.6 sensor.
With this in mind, we see why it is important to have cross-type sensors with the same f-number sensitivity in each direction, as this permits consistent AF performance regardless of the orientation of the camera. We also see that although f/5.6 sensors have greater applicability across various lenses, they lack the precision of f/2.8 sensors, even if they are cross-type. The ideal situation would be to have both f/2.8 and f/5.6 cross-type sensors, enabling accurate AF performance when using fast primes, as well as good tracking performance for lenses slower than f/2.8, where the f/2.8 sensors would not function.
And so, if this latest news is true, it would seem that Canon has listened and devised an entirely new AF system that not only combines these types of sensors, but also introduces f/4 cross-type points to further improve versatility and performance across the EF lineup. This is very encouraging news for those who are waiting for a 5D-series update, because the existence of this AF system means that there is now significantly more room for an upgraded AF system in the future 5D(3). I am hopeful that some of the goodies that we see in this 1D X will also find their way into the 5D-series.
I agree, and it's great to finally see AF points that are x-type at f/5.6.
In the previous 1D-series bodies, most points were either linear f/5.6 or a mix of f/2.8 and f/5.6 cross-type.
The EOS 7D was the first camera to employ cross-type sensors that were f/5.6 in both directions, as far as I am aware.
When an f/5.6 AF sensor looks through an f/5.6 lens, it operates within f/5.6 depth of focus precision, which is adequate since the lens itself is f/5.6.
When an f/5.6 AF sensor looks through a lens faster than f/5.6, the sensor will operate, but the resulting depth of focus precision *may* not be sufficient to achieve accurate AF, especially if the exposure occurs at a very fast f-number, such as f/1.2.
When an f/2.8 AF sensor looks through an f/5.6 lens, the incident light does not have the phase separation to resolve the focus to the required precision; thus, the sensor is disabled by the camera. If you trick the camera by preventing the body from reading the f-number of the lens, it will attempt to use the AF point anyway, which may result in erratic performance or inability to confirm focus.
When an f/2.8 AF sensor looks through an f/2.8 lens, it operates with additional precision over an f/5.6 sensor.
With this in mind, we see why it is important to have cross-type sensors with the same f-number sensitivity in each direction, as this permits consistent AF performance regardless of the orientation of the camera. We also see that although f/5.6 sensors have greater applicability across various lenses, they lack the precision of f/2.8 sensors, even if they are cross-type. The ideal situation would be to have both f/2.8 and f/5.6 cross-type sensors, enabling accurate AF performance when using fast primes, as well as good tracking performance for lenses slower than f/2.8, where the f/2.8 sensors would not function.
And so, if this latest news is true, it would seem that Canon has listened and devised an entirely new AF system that not only combines these types of sensors, but also introduces f/4 cross-type points to further improve versatility and performance across the EF lineup. This is very encouraging news for those who are waiting for a 5D-series update, because the existence of this AF system means that there is now significantly more room for an upgraded AF system in the future 5D(3). I am hopeful that some of the goodies that we see in this 1D X will also find their way into the 5D-series.
Oct 17, 2011 at 09:24 PM
p.4 #15EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
M Vers wrote:
Drives the price of the 1d4 down when it comes out...nice.
If it is 5k I don't give a crap, I'm buying it then. If it's 8-10 I'll wait.What if it's 5.1-7.9K?
Was typing on my iPhone, there was supposed to be 6 instead of 8.
Basically, I'd say screw it, go into debt and buy it at 5k. Anything higher, I'll buy a used 1d4, or new if te price drops enough.
RobertLynn wrote
I sort of got a little chub going lol.Drives the price of the 1d4 down when it comes out...nice.
If it is 5k I don't give a crap, I'm buying it then. If it's 8-10 I'll wait.
Was typing on my iPhone, there was supposed to be 6 instead of 8.
Basically, I'd say screw it, go into debt and buy it at 5k. Anything higher, I'll buy a used 1d4, or new if te price drops enough.
Oct 17, 2011 at 09:24 PM
p.4 #16EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
thw2 wrote:
... there's no mention about dynamic range... doesn't sound promising. Sigh... this is the one BIG thing I wish Canon can improve upon.
...The camera hasn't even been announced yet.
... there's no mention about dynamic range... doesn't sound promising. Sigh... this is the one BIG thing I wish Canon can improve upon.
...The camera hasn't even been announced yet.
Oct 17, 2011 at 09:24 PM
p.4 #17EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
garyvot wrote:
$4700The D3s is $5500 and the 1DIV is $5000; that puts this camera at $6K minimum, probably $6500.
ahh opps for some reason i thought 1D4 was $4500
so yeah then I change my vote to $5500
skibum5 wrote
JON VAN DAAL wrote
Anyone want to guess at a price?ahh opps for some reason i thought 1D4 was $4500
so yeah then I change my vote to $5500
Oct 17, 2011 at 09:25 PM
p.4 #18EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
The lettering is silver. I don't think this is the answer to the Ds line. There is a serious Olympics coming up.
Oct 17, 2011 at 09:27 PM
p.4 #19EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
thw2 wrote:
sounds like a great cam (other than the huge size and slightly low reach)
but the 5D3 has lots of freedom now and I think it could well get the full 1D4 AF system (and we can always hope this super new system, although that may be wishful thinking I bet), 6.3fps and 24-36MP
and you see how the FF mirrorless rumors came from the mirror locked up mode that gives 14fps and the 2 stops more from the earlier CR FF 1D rumor, etc. and the 'CR dork's talk of mid october announcement that was ridiculed by the haters
Both you and I are still hoping to see an improvement in low ISO dynamic range from Canon... there's no mention about dynamic range... doesn't sound promising. Sigh... this is the one BIG thing I wish Canon can improve upon.
You are right about that part on CR and Northlight being ridiculed... and they turn out right in the end. Yes, they do receive weird speculations from the fanboys... but they are not always wrong. To totally dismiss these rumor sites is itself foolish.
somewhere I thought I saw a claim that it did better DR than the 1Ds3 and I thought I saw 2 stops mentioned somewhere (of course that would merely just manage to make it equal or almost to the D7000 DR heh) but I may be mixing things up
yeah we can hope they fixed the banding and amp noise
skibum5 wrote
yup as long long ago predicted at Northlight, the digic v will be fast enough to fully read and bin and sample the sensor for a huge jump in video qualitysounds like a great cam (other than the huge size and slightly low reach)
but the 5D3 has lots of freedom now and I think it could well get the full 1D4 AF system (and we can always hope this super new system, although that may be wishful thinking I bet), 6.3fps and 24-36MP
and you see how the FF mirrorless rumors came from the mirror locked up mode that gives 14fps and the 2 stops more from the earlier CR FF 1D rumor, etc. and the 'CR dork's talk of mid october announcement that was ridiculed by the haters
You are right about that part on CR and Northlight being ridiculed... and they turn out right in the end. Yes, they do receive weird speculations from the fanboys... but they are not always wrong. To totally dismiss these rumor sites is itself foolish.
somewhere I thought I saw a claim that it did better DR than the 1Ds3 and I thought I saw 2 stops mentioned somewhere (of course that would merely just manage to make it equal or almost to the D7000 DR heh) but I may be mixing things up
yeah we can hope they fixed the banding and amp noise
Oct 17, 2011 at 09:28 PM
p.4 #20EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
The 1Ds sells, don't kid yourself. They sold a lot of 1Ds bodies when they were released. The issue they had was sticking the same sensor in the 1Ds and expecting it to sell.
I think they realize they can make the 5D and 1D the same sensor but not the 1Ds. You make that 1Ds a 48mp or 52mp camera and people are still going to flock to it for the $9000 price point.
I think they realize they can make the 5D and 1D the same sensor but not the 1Ds. You make that 1Ds a 48mp or 52mp camera and people are still going to flock to it for the $9000 price point.
Oct 17, 2011 at 09:28 PM