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p.25 #1 · EOS 1D-X! March 2012!


Tweaked

Example: the Canon 7D shoots at 8fps native, and at 8fps with the BG-E7 using LP-E6 batteries. You get compact handling most of the time, AND faster frame rate either way compared to the Nikon D300. I expect the 5D3 will be just the same so no stupid grip to speed up FPS. :-)

However, with a 1DX i want the integrated stupid grip and the huge battery :-)






Oct 18, 2011 at 02:46 PM
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p.25 #2 · EOS 1D-X! March 2012!


I may have missed if this info has already been posted.
The nine shot average option should reduce noise by 3x.

From one of the links from RG's site comes the details on the multiple exposures
Another new feature added by the DIGIC 5+ processors is the ability to shoot multiple exposures, where several images are ‘stacked' on top of each other. The DIGIC 5+ processors allow image stacking of between two and nine separate frames to create one signal final image. This feature is available for both RAW and JPEG images, though if M-RAW or S-RAW are set, the recording quality will automatically switch to RAW.

As befitting a digital multiple exposure there are several exposure settings that can be adjusted to tailor the final output to suit your needs. These are Additive, Average, (Comparative) Bright and
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Oct 18, 2011 at 02:50 PM
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p.25 #3 · EOS 1D-X! March 2012!


AJSJones wrote:
I may have missed if this info has already been posted.
The nine shot average option should reduce noise by 3x.


This can be done with existing cameras using raw+post-processing and in-camera for some models but JPEG only (Sony twilight feature) but the ability to do it raw in-camera is a great feature of the X and will save tons of post-processing for those of us who use averaging regularly.



Oct 18, 2011 at 02:58 PM
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p.25 #4 · EOS 1D-X! March 2012!


"Microadjustment with zoom lenses has also been made easier. In the past it was only possible to register one microadjustment setting for each lens. However, with the EOS-1D X it's now possible to make adjustments for both the wideangle and telephoto settings of a zoom lens. This will help to ensure that whatever focal length you use with a zoom, your images are accurately focused."




Oct 18, 2011 at 03:10 PM
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p.25 #5 · EOS 1D-X! March 2012!


So any news when will Canon come out with a 1D X mkII?


Oct 18, 2011 at 03:18 PM
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p.25 #6 · EOS 1D-X! March 2012!


Ghost wrote:
So any news when will Canon come out with a 1D X mkII?



Do you think I should risk ordering a day old model, or wait for the replacement?



Oct 18, 2011 at 03:29 PM
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p.25 #7 · EOS 1D-X! March 2012!


Does this camera have Microfocus Adjust feature...


Oct 18, 2011 at 03:37 PM
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p.25 #8 · EOS 1D-X! March 2012!


Ghost wrote:
So any news when will Canon come out with a 1D X mkII?


Canonrumors know it.............and also the 1Dx mkIII



Oct 18, 2011 at 03:40 PM
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p.25 #9 · EOS 1D-X! March 2012!


It does go back to the film days. Those motor drives...well you know.

That the nikon version can't do it native, to me is a weakness. Not a "oh I can spend more money to unlock this full potential".

If you buy a 1 series, you expect a full-size body. I'm not trying to sound like a jerk, but seriously, it seems like anyone out there who likes anything done.

It's not cheap enough, it isn't small enough, it isn't cheap enough, it can only do 14 fps in jpeg, it is heavy, it doesn't have enough direct print buttons, it doesn't have more mp than a 5 year old blah blah blah. No screen, no electronic view finder.

If you want more, maybe call canon and tell them what you want. They will custom build a one off body...or not.

I wasn't being snarky, it is just stupid "oh you need a grip and more batteries".

If it isn't for you, don't buy it. I'm happy with it, and see it as more than an incremental improvement.teebat wrote:
I didn't know that, thanks for the clarification.




Oct 18, 2011 at 03:51 PM
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p.25 #10 · EOS 1D-X! March 2012!


Robert, perhaps some clarification would be helpful.

The 1-series is large because they have such large and consistently high output batteries. The 7D, using much smaller batteries, only maintains 8FPS when above roughly 60% charge. Nikon faces similar constraints on the small body of the D700, and the battery pack allows them to have the uninterrupted high wattage output needed for those higher FPS.

It's not entirely an artificial limit set on the camera functionality in some cynical plot to twist you of your money. It's physics.

1Dx:

No ECF, no moireless video, no stereo mic, no AF in video, low MP density making for weak sports performance, no articulating screen.

There have been quite a few great improvements (mainly in buttons and control layout, interface and OS functionality, and AF+microadjust), but the reality is that this is a flawed camera for someone upgrading from either the 1DIV or 1DsIII. Not enough MP to make it a great choice over the 1DIV despite the AF+framerates, and fewer MP than the 1DsIII making for weak studio performance. Maybe this is the high-end wedding body to match the D700. I hope the DR and ISO performance brings it up to line or even further than the latest Sony sensors.

I think the 1DX is by and large a failure on Canon's product research and market analysis team, and eagerly await the compact mirrorless FF, 5DIII optimized for superb video, and 1DsX with ~40+MP.



Oct 18, 2011 at 03:53 PM
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p.25 #11 · EOS 1D-X! March 2012!


gpgt1998 wrote:
I honestly think this was designed more for video. As for stills there's really no great improvement. If you want larger pixels you can get that by picking up an older body. Any IQ difference will be negligible especially after the image is printed.


If Westfall was right when he said ISO51k shots looked as noisy as the 1DIV's ISO12k shots then there is definitely an IQ difference. Not sure if there is an IQ difference at normal ISOs but there should be an improvement of sorts.



Oct 18, 2011 at 04:01 PM
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p.25 #12 · EOS 1D-X! March 2012!


garyvot wrote:
The D3s is $5500 and the 1DIV is $5000; that puts this camera at $6K minimum, probably $6500.


Right... $6,800 body only... I think that's what I read somewhere.



Oct 18, 2011 at 04:02 PM
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p.25 #13 · EOS 1D-X! March 2012!


Xavier Rival wrote:
This may be a stupid question, but still I am wondering (and I did not see any post on this --sorry if I missed one):

One of the selling points of 1D bodies has always been f/8 AF. Useful for anyone who would like to use a long lens with TCs (e.g., 100-400/5.6 + 1.4x, or 500/4 + 2x). I see no mention of f/8 AF capability in the DPR description. Was the f/8 AF ability retained ?


Not a stupid question, more of us wonder about the same thing, and it has been asked in one of the threads (don't remember which one). Since the specs are not complete I don't think we can say for sure yet what happened.



Oct 18, 2011 at 04:04 PM
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p.25 #14 · EOS 1D-X! March 2012!


skibum5 wrote:
so it's sort of like the difference between printing on Hahnemuhle Photo Rag Pearl where you get full Stofflighet (with a detailed image printed at max ppi) vs. using say Epson Exhibition Fiber, the latter is very nice but it doesn't have that sort of zeiss-like 3D feel and depth and texture to it


Yes, the paper also contributes to "textureness", along with contrast, micro contrast, noise/not noise, and one more thing, what was it, hm, Ah, now I remember, resolution!



Oct 18, 2011 at 04:07 PM
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p.25 #15 · EOS 1D-X! March 2012!


Some of the comments here are hilarious. If Canon had announced a 45 MP full frame body with 20 fps, ISO 25-819200, and 19 stops of DR, there would still be people calling it a failure because it didn't satisfy their personal vision of what they want. You'd have people asking why they need so many pixels, why it costs so much, why it still has a mirror, why it doesn't have your pet "must-have" feature, blah blah blah. It just goes to show that no matter what a camera company does, there is no satisfying everybody. What is so ridiculous is that some of you actually believe what you're saying, as if your opinion really matters and that yes, Canon must be clueless because they didn't make your exact perfect camera.

Imagine what it must be like to do market research or product management at Canon. You have polarized groups of photographers who are firmly entrenched in their vision of what a camera should be, as if such things were a matter of life or death, or at the very least, the survival of Canon itself. And no matter how many bodies and features and specifications you help create, no matter how many demands you try to satisfy, you still get people who think you're shit because they think they're so important.



Oct 18, 2011 at 04:22 PM
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p.25 #16 · EOS 1D-X! March 2012!


The word of the day I think is Pontificate! :-)
At least were not on twitter lol.



Oct 18, 2011 at 04:29 PM
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p.25 #17 · EOS 1D-X! March 2012!


molson wrote:
Where would one find one of those LAN cables nowadays - an antique store? I haven't seen one since sometime back in the last century...


In my basement and on my LAN. When my previous company shutdown I got to to take all the Lan cables I wanted for my home LAN. Since everything still works together I have never bothered with wireless.



Oct 18, 2011 at 04:30 PM
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p.25 #18 · EOS 1D-X! March 2012!


I'll have to check...i have the 7d, and I haven't noticed the frame rate fall off. I'll report back on that...

Beyond that, don't tell me it is physics, if it is...get a better battery should be what we say.

Even still, even if it does drop off, it's pretty damn remarkable that canon can take a camera with more mp than the d700 and get more fps out of it than the d700.

Lastly you have absolutely no idea if the 18 mp of the 1dx are of a lower quality than the more mp of the 1ds3.

If the 1dx has higher iq per pixel, then it will more than likely interpolate better, and look better, and if you can't get by in the studio with 18mp out of a top end camera, 21 ain't helping you...Sp12 wrote:
Robert, perhaps some clarification would be helpful.

The 1-series is large because they have such large and consistently high output batteries. The 7D, using much smaller batteries, only maintains 8FPS when above roughly 60% charge. Nikon faces similar constraints on the small body of the D700, and the battery pack allows them to have the uninterrupted high wattage output needed for those higher FPS.

It's not entirely an artificial limit set on the camera functionality in some cynical plot to twist you of your money. It's physics.

1Dx:

No ECF, no moireless video, no stereo mic, no AF in video, low MP density making
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Oct 18, 2011 at 04:31 PM
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p.25 #19 · EOS 1D-X! March 2012!


alundeb wrote:
Not a stupid question, more of us wonder about the same thing, and it has been asked in one of the threads (don't remember which one). Since the specs are not complete I don't think we can say for sure yet what happened.


According to Chuck Westfall, who should know more about Canon products than any Canon employee in the US, the AF cut off for the 1D X is, in fact, f5.6.

Below, I've pasted Westfall's reply to Arthur Morris, who was asking about the AF cut off.

"AF is unavailable on the EOS-1D X if the maximum aperture reported to the camera through the electronic lens mount is smaller than f/5.6. This is a lower specification than previous EOS-1 series DSLRs. On the plus side, consider the fact that with most f/4 lenses including the 400 DO, 500/4L IS and IS II, and 600/4L IS and IS II, you now have 41 cross-type AF points plus color and face detection, whereas you had no cross-type points and no color or face detection during AF with previous EOS-1 series DSLRs using the same lenses, not to mention a significantly wider AF coverage area from left to right."

I've seen similar confirmations on at least 3 websites.

Les



Oct 18, 2011 at 04:33 PM
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p.25 #20 · EOS 1D-X! March 2012!


RobertLynn wrote:
I'll have to check...i have the 7d, and I haven't noticed the frame rate fall off. I'll report back on that...

Beyond that, don't tell me it is physics, if it is...get a better battery should be what we say.

Even still, even if it does drop off, it's pretty damn remarkable that canon can take a camera with more mp than the d700 and get more fps out of it than the d700.

Lastly you have absolutely no idea if the 18 mp of the 1dx are of a lower quality than the more mp of the 1ds3.

If the 1dx has higher
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It's not super bad, and mainly noticeable when using IS and AF on the superteles creating a lot of strain on the battery. Battery tech is pretty stagnant compared to silicon. The issue isn't data throughput -- the A77 gets 12FPS @24 megapixels and silicon doubles every 18 months (not 100% accurate, but close enough), the issue is mechanics.

I have clients demanding more and more MP for giant prints, I regularly have to rent MF backs. The point is that the 1Dx is not a 1Ds replacement, as the 1DsIII arguably needed more MP and the 1Dx has less.

wickerprints wrote:
why it doesn't have your pet "must-have" feature, blah blah blah. It just goes to show that no matter what a camera company does, there is no satisfying everybody. What is so ridiculous is that some of you actually believe what you're saying, as if your opinion really matters and that yes, Canon must be clueless because they didn't make your exact perfect camera.


You're basically making hasty generalizations. What body of photographers does this body cater to besides high-end wedding/PJ, an area where it arguably is much larger than ideal, as evidenced by the popularity of Leica in that area? Even when we look at the stress they put on new video features it's a failure. Moire is still going to be an issue skipping from 18MP to 2, the built-in mic is still useless, and bitrate is still ~54, there's still no continuous AF, no articulating screen/XLR inputs, and there's still no RAW video. Despite the big advancement of timecoded video (super nice), the 1Dx has missed the mark at becoming a competitive video machine, despite the clear attempt to put it in a professional environment via timecodes.

Yes I have pet features, the reality is that they are features required to keep up with the competition. That's not the issue here. This body is a failure from market research's side. They've failed to make an upgrade for either the 1D or 1Ds series, and the body is basically misdirected in filling the market it was designed for.

It has lower pixel density than the 1DIV, combined with no AF capabilities at F/8, making it a much worse choice for BiF/Sports than the current 1DIV despite the AF and FPS improvements.

Lower megapixel count than current 1Ds, requiring significant improvement in per-pixel sharpness and performance to match current 1Ds in image usability, and still missing the 2008 mark set by the D3x and Sony A900, let alone that set by any future Sony sensors.

Obviously this was designed to be a match to the D700 as a high end wedding/PJ body (an area it is much too large for), but by doing so they've missed the mark on their high-end studio full-frame, high-end sports, and video-centric body. I eagerly await the 40MP+ 1DsX, ~28MP 1D sports replacement, video-optimized 5DIII, and compact mirrorless FF announcements.


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