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p.24 #1EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
Specularist wrote:
I think this camera is quite interesting, though I have no use for it (I'm a Nikon shooter with no money!).
It's interesting because it's evidence of serious investment by Canon in technologies that will be rendered obsolete with the demise of the SLR. That shows Canon believes SLRs will thrive for many years to come.
Watch " target="_blank" rel="nofollow">this slow-motion video of a Nikon D3 shooting at 11 frames per second, showing rippling carbon-fibre, aluminium and Kevlar. To get that to work, all this (and more) had to happen. This is hard. Nikon and Canon make it look easy, because when the technology...Show more →
yeah i think it's the drop out of FF from sony, sony had them price scared, without that, they are free to charge what they can try to get away with which i suppose it no surprise
i do wonder a little in this age how many not utterly top tier PJs can afford the new mark ii lenses and 6800 bodies, maybe they baalnce the lesser sales that would occur no matter the price point with the poor econ and print media situation and it all evens out for them
I think this camera is quite interesting, though I have no use for it (I'm a Nikon shooter with no money!).
It's interesting because it's evidence of serious investment by Canon in technologies that will be rendered obsolete with the demise of the SLR. That shows Canon believes SLRs will thrive for many years to come.
Watch " target="_blank" rel="nofollow">this slow-motion video of a Nikon D3 shooting at 11 frames per second, showing rippling carbon-fibre, aluminium and Kevlar. To get that to work, all this (and more) had to happen. This is hard. Nikon and Canon make it look easy, because when the technology...Show more →
yeah i think it's the drop out of FF from sony, sony had them price scared, without that, they are free to charge what they can try to get away with which i suppose it no surprise
i do wonder a little in this age how many not utterly top tier PJs can afford the new mark ii lenses and 6800 bodies, maybe they baalnce the lesser sales that would occur no matter the price point with the poor econ and print media situation and it all evens out for them
Oct 18, 2011 at 11:34 AM
p.24 #2EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
ohsnaphappy wrote:
I've always wanted to make the jump from the 5D to the 1D, but I'm not sure this is the time to do it. If the next 5D has half the specs it would be pretty compelling. You know, half the iso, half the focus points, half the fps. I don't mean literally half, because I doubt the next 5D will be 6fps
But just the idea that the next 5D will be nearly half as good as this, and at less than half the price, makes me want to wait.
But I've always wanted to own a 1D. Hmmm....Show more →
i'd be stunned if the next 5D can't do 6fps any less would be left in the dust
I've always wanted to make the jump from the 5D to the 1D, but I'm not sure this is the time to do it. If the next 5D has half the specs it would be pretty compelling. You know, half the iso, half the focus points, half the fps. I don't mean literally half, because I doubt the next 5D will be 6fps
But just the idea that the next 5D will be nearly half as good as this, and at less than half the price, makes me want to wait.But I've always wanted to own a 1D. Hmmm....Show more →
i'd be stunned if the next 5D can't do 6fps any less would be left in the dust
Oct 18, 2011 at 11:35 AM
p.24 #3EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
Ektar25 wrote:
$6800 is pretty good price!
With all the improvements over the Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III, it's an amazing price. $100 LESS than the old camera it replaces and people still whine?
well for a 1Ds user that is the the case but for a 1D user it is $1800 more
$6800 is pretty good price!
With all the improvements over the Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III, it's an amazing price. $100 LESS than the old camera it replaces and people still whine?
well for a 1Ds user that is the the case but for a 1D user it is $1800 more
Oct 18, 2011 at 11:38 AM
p.24 #4EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
Tom K. wrote:
Whoa!
http://goo.gl/pfyK5
yeah 12fps or maybe that ws 14fps mode is pretty insane
Whoa!
http://goo.gl/pfyK5
yeah 12fps or maybe that ws 14fps mode is pretty insane
Oct 18, 2011 at 11:41 AM
p.24 #5EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
The RG writeup has lots of good info in it:
http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-11666-12012
Some notable things:
1. It will have an electronic first curtain shutter (like the 5D2 does, the 1D4 does not).
2. It will have the same kind of translucent LCD overlay in the viewfinder like the 7D does
3. "By way of example, he says that an ISO 51,200 photo from the EOS-1D X shows roughly equivalent noise levels to an ISO 12,800 photo taken with the EOS-1D Mark IV." Where the 'he' is Chuck Westfall
4. AF sensitivity extended down to -2 EV (it was -1 EV for the 1D3, 1Ds3, 1D4)
http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-11666-12012
Some notable things:
1. It will have an electronic first curtain shutter (like the 5D2 does, the 1D4 does not).
2. It will have the same kind of translucent LCD overlay in the viewfinder like the 7D does
3. "By way of example, he says that an ISO 51,200 photo from the EOS-1D X shows roughly equivalent noise levels to an ISO 12,800 photo taken with the EOS-1D Mark IV." Where the 'he' is Chuck Westfall
4. AF sensitivity extended down to -2 EV (it was -1 EV for the 1D3, 1Ds3, 1D4)
Oct 18, 2011 at 11:45 AM
p.24 #6EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
skibum5 wrote:
http://goo.gl/pfyK5yeah 12fps or maybe that ws 14fps mode is pretty insane
it was beautiful
Tom K. wrote
Whoa!http://goo.gl/pfyK5
it was beautiful
Oct 18, 2011 at 11:47 AM
p.24 #7EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
skibum5 wrote:
one odd thing is they claim 18MP was needed because they can't drive more MP at 12fps and yet 7D already does 18MP and 8fps and 1D4 16MP at 10fps and digic 5+ is supposed to be a huge boost relative to past generation compared to the past and yet the 18*12 they get is only the same increase they had in the past so something doesn't add up, maybe the extra jpg CA, DNR etc. takes a lot of power or it was really other factors like chip read and so on
As far as I understand it, the bottleneck isn't so much the speed of the image processor(s), it is more a question about how fast they can "drain" a big full-frame sensor of image data. Small sensors are apparently faster to deal with. I'm no engineer so please don't ask me to explain
one odd thing is they claim 18MP was needed because they can't drive more MP at 12fps and yet 7D already does 18MP and 8fps and 1D4 16MP at 10fps and digic 5+ is supposed to be a huge boost relative to past generation compared to the past and yet the 18*12 they get is only the same increase they had in the past so something doesn't add up, maybe the extra jpg CA, DNR etc. takes a lot of power or it was really other factors like chip read and so on
As far as I understand it, the bottleneck isn't so much the speed of the image processor(s), it is more a question about how fast they can "drain" a big full-frame sensor of image data. Small sensors are apparently faster to deal with. I'm no engineer so please don't ask me to explain
Oct 18, 2011 at 11:56 AM
p.24 #8EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
thedigitalbean wrote:
3. "By way of example, he says that an ISO 51,200 photo from the EOS-1D X shows roughly equivalent noise levels to an ISO 12,800 photo taken with the EOS-1D Mark IV." Where the 'he' is Chuck Westfall
Based on DxOMark's data, the IV's ISO 12,800 is equal to the D3s's ISO 25,600. That means the X will have a one-stop improvement over the D3s if Chuck's metrics haven't changed and if we're talking about raw performance rather than Digic-processed performance (ie noise reduction).
3. "By way of example, he says that an ISO 51,200 photo from the EOS-1D X shows roughly equivalent noise levels to an ISO 12,800 photo taken with the EOS-1D Mark IV." Where the 'he' is Chuck Westfall
Based on DxOMark's data, the IV's ISO 12,800 is equal to the D3s's ISO 25,600. That means the X will have a one-stop improvement over the D3s if Chuck's metrics haven't changed and if we're talking about raw performance rather than Digic-processed performance (ie noise reduction).
Oct 18, 2011 at 11:57 AM
p.24 #9EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
sounds intriguing
so after the winter has come and gone will meander over to B&H and try one out, something to look forward to
so after the winter has come and gone will meander over to B&H and try one out, something to look forward to
Oct 18, 2011 at 12:28 PM
p.24 #10EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
skibum5 wrote:
one odd thing is they claim 18MP was needed because they can't drive more MP at 12fps and yet 7D already does 18MP and 8fps and 1D4 16MP at 10fps and digic 5+ is supposed to be a huge boost relative to past generation compared to the past and yet the 18*12 they get is only the same increase they had in the past so something doesn't add up, maybe the extra jpg CA, DNR etc. takes a lot of power or it was really other factors like chip read and so on
They can get the data off the 7D faster because it's smaller. On a FF sensor the data has further to travel, so to move a given quantity of information the traces have to be run at a much (c. 50%) higher frequency, which is not easy (crosstalk, signal integrity, heat are a few of the issues). Coupled with the Canon ADCs being off chip rather than on and not per photosite, 12 fps is pretty impressive.
RobertLynn wrote:
http://goo.gl/pfyK5yeah 12fps or maybe that ws 14fps mode is pretty insaneit was beautiful
Did you embarass the whale this time?
one odd thing is they claim 18MP was needed because they can't drive more MP at 12fps and yet 7D already does 18MP and 8fps and 1D4 16MP at 10fps and digic 5+ is supposed to be a huge boost relative to past generation compared to the past and yet the 18*12 they get is only the same increase they had in the past so something doesn't add up, maybe the extra jpg CA, DNR etc. takes a lot of power or it was really other factors like chip read and so on
They can get the data off the 7D faster because it's smaller. On a FF sensor the data has further to travel, so to move a given quantity of information the traces have to be run at a much (c. 50%) higher frequency, which is not easy (crosstalk, signal integrity, heat are a few of the issues). Coupled with the Canon ADCs being off chip rather than on and not per photosite, 12 fps is pretty impressive.
RobertLynn wrote:
skibum5 wrote
Tom K. wrote
Whoa!http://goo.gl/pfyK5
Did you embarass the whale this time?
Oct 18, 2011 at 12:28 PM
p.24 #11EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
thedigitalbean wrote:
The RG writeup has lots of good info in it:
http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-11666-12012
Some notable things:
1. It will have an electronic first curtain shutter (like the 5D2 does, the 1D4 does not).
2. It will have the same kind of translucent LCD overlay in the viewfinder like the 7D does
3. "By way of example, he says that an ISO 51,200 photo from the EOS-1D X shows roughly equivalent noise levels to an ISO 12,800 photo taken with the EOS-1D Mark IV." Where the 'he' is Chuck Westfall
4. AF sensitivity extended down to -2 EV (it was -1 EV for the 1D3, 1Ds3, 1D4)
Looks like Rob and Chuck have retained their long-time special relationship, even after the 1D MkIII issue.
The RG writeup has lots of good info in it:
http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-11666-12012
Some notable things:
1. It will have an electronic first curtain shutter (like the 5D2 does, the 1D4 does not).
2. It will have the same kind of translucent LCD overlay in the viewfinder like the 7D does
3. "By way of example, he says that an ISO 51,200 photo from the EOS-1D X shows roughly equivalent noise levels to an ISO 12,800 photo taken with the EOS-1D Mark IV." Where the 'he' is Chuck Westfall
4. AF sensitivity extended down to -2 EV (it was -1 EV for the 1D3, 1Ds3, 1D4)
Looks like Rob and Chuck have retained their long-time special relationship, even after the 1D MkIII issue.
Oct 18, 2011 at 12:30 PM
p.24 #12EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
thedigitalbean wrote:
The RG writeup has lots of good info in it:
http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-11666-12012
Some notable things:
1. It will have an electronic first curtain shutter (like the 5D2 does, the 1D4 does not).
2. It will have the same kind of translucent LCD overlay in the viewfinder like the 7D does
3. "By way of example, he says that an ISO 51,200 photo from the EOS-1D X shows roughly equivalent noise levels to an ISO 12,800 photo taken with the EOS-1D Mark IV." Where the 'he' is Chuck Westfall
4. AF sensitivity extended down to -2 EV (it was -1 EV for the 1D3, 1Ds3, 1D4)
Looks like Rob and Chuck have retained their long-time special relationship, even after the 1D MkIII issue.
The RG writeup has lots of good info in it:
http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-11666-12012
Some notable things:
1. It will have an electronic first curtain shutter (like the 5D2 does, the 1D4 does not).
2. It will have the same kind of translucent LCD overlay in the viewfinder like the 7D does
3. "By way of example, he says that an ISO 51,200 photo from the EOS-1D X shows roughly equivalent noise levels to an ISO 12,800 photo taken with the EOS-1D Mark IV." Where the 'he' is Chuck Westfall
4. AF sensitivity extended down to -2 EV (it was -1 EV for the 1D3, 1Ds3, 1D4)
Looks like Rob and Chuck have retained their long-time special relationship, even after the 1D MkIII issue.
Oct 18, 2011 at 12:31 PM
p.24 #13EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
ausemmao wrote:
They can get the data off the 7D faster because it's smaller. On a FF sensor the data has further to travel, so to move a given quantity of information the traces have to be run at a much (c. 50%) higher frequency, which is not easy (crosstalk, signal integrity, heat are a few of the issues). Coupled with the Canon ADCs being off chip rather than on and not per photosite, 12 fps is pretty impressive.
http://goo.gl/pfyK5yeah 12fps or maybe that ws 14fps mode is pretty insaneit was beautifulDid you embarass the whale this time?
I made im laugh by saying I was bigger. I made him cry by proving it.
Okay, totally inappropriate, but I just watched the tosh.o video of that lady hanlding the whale's weeny.
Back to our regularly scheduled program.
skibum5 wrote
one odd thing is they claim 18MP was needed because they can't drive more MP at 12fps and yet 7D already does 18MP and 8fps and 1D4 16MP at 10fps and digic 5+ is supposed to be a huge boost relative to past generation compared to the past and yet the 18*12 they get is only the same increase they had in the past so something doesn't add up, maybe the extra jpg CA, DNR etc. takes a lot of power or it was really other factors like chip read and so onRobertLynn wrote
skibum5 wrote
Tom K. wrote
Whoa!http://goo.gl/pfyK5
I made im laugh by saying I was bigger. I made him cry by proving it.
Okay, totally inappropriate, but I just watched the tosh.o video of that lady hanlding the whale's weeny.
Back to our regularly scheduled program.
Oct 18, 2011 at 12:32 PM
p.24 #14EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
I honestly think this was designed more for video. As for stills there's really no great improvement. If you want larger pixels you can get that by picking up an older body. Any IQ difference will be negligible especially after the image is printed.
Oct 18, 2011 at 12:44 PM
p.24 #15EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
teebat wrote:
I am just reading about it. A wired LAN connection, wow! This will be great for studio work to.
Where would one find one of those LAN cables nowadays - an antique store? I haven't seen one since sometime back in the last century...
I am just reading about it. A wired LAN connection, wow! This will be great for studio work to.
Where would one find one of those LAN cables nowadays - an antique store? I haven't seen one since sometime back in the last century...
Oct 18, 2011 at 12:47 PM
p.24 #16EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
molson wrote:
Where would one find one of those LAN cables nowadays - an antique store? I haven't seen one since sometime back in the last century...
Then you probably need to get out more often.
teebat wrote
I am just reading about it. A wired LAN connection, wow! This will be great for studio work to.Then you probably need to get out more often.
Oct 18, 2011 at 12:54 PM
p.24 #17EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
I find it curious that Canon did not incorporate an articulated LCD screen with the 1DX. Sport shooters & journalist in particular could use such a screen for shooting from the over-head position and it's also good in videography to flip/tilt the screen as per your shooting needs.
Omar
Omar
Oct 18, 2011 at 01:03 PM
p.24 #18EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
molson wrote:
Where would one find one of those LAN cables nowadays - an antique store? I haven't seen one since sometime back in the last century...
Then you need to get out more.
teebat wrote
I am just reading about it. A wired LAN connection, wow! This will be great for studio work to.Then you need to get out more.
Oct 18, 2011 at 01:17 PM
p.24 #19EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
RobertLynn wrote:
I love the promise of the new high ISO sensor and AF improvements, but I was sorely hoping for a different form factor: a modular, EOS-1V type design having 5-6fps naked and 10-12fps with a grip. That would have really shaken up the 1-series line.
My best guess is that this camera will be north of $6K, which will make it a difficult purchase to justify from a value standpoint, at least for me.A grip to speed us the FPS? It's not film.THANK YOU!
Someone else agrees! I think that a "motor grip battery thingamajingy" is just stupid.
Not to beat a dead horse (since Canon didn't do this anyway), but this has nothing to do with film or motor drives, it has to do with the power source.
Example: the Nikon D700 shoots at 5fps native, and at 8fps with the MB-D10 using EN-EL4 batteries. You get compact handling most of the time, or faster frame rate when you need it. You may think it's stupid, both Nikon designers apparently don't.
Of course, if you feel better being snarky, go for it.
teebat wrote
garyvot wrote
I suppose they had to make a D3s killer (something the 1D Mark IV is not). Kind of unfortunate this didn't come out a year and a half ago, however.I love the promise of the new high ISO sensor and AF improvements, but I was sorely hoping for a different form factor: a modular, EOS-1V type design having 5-6fps naked and 10-12fps with a grip. That would have really shaken up the 1-series line.
My best guess is that this camera will be north of $6K, which will make it a difficult purchase to justify from a value standpoint, at least for me.
Someone else agrees! I think that a "motor grip battery thingamajingy" is just stupid.
Not to beat a dead horse (since Canon didn't do this anyway), but this has nothing to do with film or motor drives, it has to do with the power source.
Example: the Nikon D700 shoots at 5fps native, and at 8fps with the MB-D10 using EN-EL4 batteries. You get compact handling most of the time, or faster frame rate when you need it. You may think it's stupid, both Nikon designers apparently don't.
Of course, if you feel better being snarky, go for it.
Oct 18, 2011 at 01:27 PM
p.24 #20EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
garyvot wrote:
I love the promise of the new high ISO sensor and AF improvements, but I was sorely hoping for a different form factor: a modular, EOS-1V type design having 5-6fps naked and 10-12fps with a grip. That would have really shaken up the 1-series line.
My best guess is that this camera will be north of $6K, which will make it a difficult purchase to justify from a value standpoint, at least for me.A grip to speed us the FPS? It's not film.THANK YOU!
Someone else agrees! I think that a "motor grip battery thingamajingy" is just stupid.Not to beat a dead horse (since Canon didn't do this anyway), but this has nothing to do with film or motor drives, it has to do with the power source.
Example: the Nikon D700 shoots at 5fps native, and at 8fps with the MB-D10 using EN-EL4 batteries. You get compact handling most of the time, or faster frame rate when you need it. You may think it's stupid, both Nikon designers apparently don't.
Of course, if you feel better being snarky, go for it.
I didn't know that, thanks for the clarification.
RobertLynn wrote
teebat wrote
garyvot wrote
I suppose they had to make a D3s killer (something the 1D Mark IV is not). Kind of unfortunate this didn't come out a year and a half ago, however.I love the promise of the new high ISO sensor and AF improvements, but I was sorely hoping for a different form factor: a modular, EOS-1V type design having 5-6fps naked and 10-12fps with a grip. That would have really shaken up the 1-series line.
My best guess is that this camera will be north of $6K, which will make it a difficult purchase to justify from a value standpoint, at least for me.
Someone else agrees! I think that a "motor grip battery thingamajingy" is just stupid.
Example: the Nikon D700 shoots at 5fps native, and at 8fps with the MB-D10 using EN-EL4 batteries. You get compact handling most of the time, or faster frame rate when you need it. You may think it's stupid, both Nikon designers apparently don't.
Of course, if you feel better being snarky, go for it.
I didn't know that, thanks for the clarification.
Oct 18, 2011 at 01:38 PM