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p.14 #1EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
John Mills wrote:
This makes me think the 5D series cameras are going to be the larger megapixel cameras than the 1 series. But then again...
EB-1 wrote:
Yes, but with the mediocre AF systems and inferior build I'm not sure there is a lot of value to those pixels unless the subjects are stationary or compose/refocus or manual focus is employed.
EBH
Well, the hope is that Canon realized their customers have been complaining about the crappy AF in their non 1-series bodies and so this latest AF system in the 1D X raises the bar high enough that there's room for an impressive, full-featured, yet economical AF system for the 5D-series that does not steal the 1D X's thunder. That's my thinking, though of course there's no way to know until Canon announces a successor to the 5D2.
As for build quality, the 5D2 build is reasonably good. It's not 1-series, of course, but it's not such a huge issue that it's a dealbreaker for most people in that market segment. So I don't know why you think that it's critical for the next 5D-series body to be more robust. If anything, it's their lenses that need to be built stronger, not the bodies.
This makes me think the 5D series cameras are going to be the larger megapixel cameras than the 1 series. But then again...
EB-1 wrote:
Yes, but with the mediocre AF systems and inferior build I'm not sure there is a lot of value to those pixels unless the subjects are stationary or compose/refocus or manual focus is employed.
EBH
Well, the hope is that Canon realized their customers have been complaining about the crappy AF in their non 1-series bodies and so this latest AF system in the 1D X raises the bar high enough that there's room for an impressive, full-featured, yet economical AF system for the 5D-series that does not steal the 1D X's thunder. That's my thinking, though of course there's no way to know until Canon announces a successor to the 5D2.
As for build quality, the 5D2 build is reasonably good. It's not 1-series, of course, but it's not such a huge issue that it's a dealbreaker for most people in that market segment. So I don't know why you think that it's critical for the next 5D-series body to be more robust. If anything, it's their lenses that need to be built stronger, not the bodies.
Oct 18, 2011 at 12:30 AM
p.14 #2EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
Looks like a fantastic camera on paper. Still cheaper than an m9! Heh.
Oct 18, 2011 at 12:31 AM
p.14 #3EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
artsupreme wrote:
Well they better do something with the 5DIII or release the 3D because if this ridiculously expensive 1D X is the only FF Canon offering with good AF and decent fps the D800 is going to smash them...
EB-1 wrote:
That would be OK too.
EBH
So why don't you just GTFO out and shoot Nikon already, if you hate Canon so much? Or do you just enjoy trolling the forums?
Well they better do something with the 5DIII or release the 3D because if this ridiculously expensive 1D X is the only FF Canon offering with good AF and decent fps the D800 is going to smash them...
EB-1 wrote:
That would be OK too.
EBH
So why don't you just GTFO out and shoot Nikon already, if you hate Canon so much? Or do you just enjoy trolling the forums?
Oct 18, 2011 at 12:32 AM
p.14 #4EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
YOu wont get 2 stops of real sensitivity.
1D4/D3s are close to 50% QE alread..
1D4/D3s are close to 50% QE alread..
Oct 18, 2011 at 12:32 AM
p.14 #5EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
Some more info and interesting insights about the camera here: http://goo.gl/lD3bw
Oct 18, 2011 at 12:33 AM
p.14 #6EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
M Vers wrote:
No doubt--even the quote from Check Westfall makes it pretty apparent. That said, there is nothing saying the 1Ds won't be transformed into something else or flat out replaced with an even higher end model. The 1Ds line may be dead, but that doesn't mean there won't be a 1DXs, 1DR etc etc.--That was my point from the get go. There are plenty of photographers out there who will be left craving a very high res DSLR. 1Ds or not, I can't see Canon giving up in this respect.
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No doubt--even the quote from Check Westfall makes it pretty apparent. That said, there is nothing saying the 1Ds won't be transformed into something else or flat out replaced with an even higher end model. The 1Ds line may be dead, but that doesn't mean there won't be a 1DXs, 1DR etc etc.--That was my point from the get go. There are plenty of photographers out there who will be left craving a very high res DSLR. 1Ds or not, I can't see Canon giving up in this respect.
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Oct 18, 2011 at 12:37 AM
p.14 #7EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
I guess the number of working pro's that find 21mp acceptable and 18mp too low will shift to D3x or 645D/S2/H4d.
Though this may resolve more detail more often (through cleaner files) than a 1Ds3 could.
Though this may resolve more detail more often (through cleaner files) than a 1Ds3 could.
Oct 18, 2011 at 12:39 AM
p.14 #8EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
Late to the party... interesting release. Thank God Canon isn't pursuing the pixel race with this one.
Oct 18, 2011 at 12:40 AM
p.14 #9EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
wickerprints wrote:
EBHWell, the hope is that Canon realized their customers have been complaining about the crappy AF in their non 1-series bodies and so this latest AF system in the 1D X raises the bar high enough that there's room for an impressive, full-featured, yet economical AF system for the 5D-series that does not steal the 1D X's thunder. That's my thinking, though of course there's no way to know until Canon announces a successor to the 5D2.
As for build quality, the 5D2 build is reasonably good. It's not 1-series, of course, but it's not such a huge issue that it's...Show more →
yeah this new AF system sounds so much more advanced that they well could be free to even just plop the full on 1D4 AF into 5 series perhaps
John Mills wrote
This makes me think the 5D series cameras are going to be the larger megapixel cameras than the 1 series. But then again...EB-1 wrote
Yes, but with the mediocre AF systems and inferior build I'm not sure there is a lot of value to those pixels unless the subjects are stationary or compose/refocus or manual focus is employed.EBH
As for build quality, the 5D2 build is reasonably good. It's not 1-series, of course, but it's not such a huge issue that it's...Show more →
yeah this new AF system sounds so much more advanced that they well could be free to even just plop the full on 1D4 AF into 5 series perhaps
Oct 18, 2011 at 12:41 AM
p.14 #10EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
RobDickinson wrote:
YOu wont get 2 stops of real sensitivity.
1D4/D3s are close to 50% QE alread..
yeah that is true, but perhaps for DR at least where the canon dslr have lots and lots of room to grow since the A/D and such is adding lots of noise and banding after the fact
YOu wont get 2 stops of real sensitivity.
1D4/D3s are close to 50% QE alread..
yeah that is true, but perhaps for DR at least where the canon dslr have lots and lots of room to grow since the A/D and such is adding lots of noise and banding after the fact
Oct 18, 2011 at 12:42 AM
p.14 #11EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
wickerprints wrote:
EBHSo why don't you just GTFO out and shoot Nikon already, if you hate Canon so much? Or do you just enjoy trolling the forums?
I never said I hated anything, if fact I love Canon and that's why I shoot it. In fact I love everything about the new body, except for the price and size of course. I'm into value and more compact bodies. There's nothing wrong with accepting the competition has something that we do not have....yet. I'm still hoping for the 3D or whatever is going to compete with the D700/D800.
artsupreme wrote
Well they better do something with the 5DIII or release the 3D because if this ridiculously expensive 1D X is the only FF Canon offering with good AF and decent fps the D800 is going to smash them...EB-1 wrote
That would be OK too.EBH
I never said I hated anything, if fact I love Canon and that's why I shoot it. In fact I love everything about the new body, except for the price and size of course. I'm into value and more compact bodies. There's nothing wrong with accepting the competition has something that we do not have....yet. I'm still hoping for the 3D or whatever is going to compete with the D700/D800.
Oct 18, 2011 at 12:44 AM
p.14 #12EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
"Moire
With new sensor – tremendous reduction of moire and other video artifacts – the concentric cricles test shows both are virtually gone."
nice
With new sensor – tremendous reduction of moire and other video artifacts – the concentric cricles test shows both are virtually gone."
nice
Oct 18, 2011 at 12:46 AM
p.14 #13EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
Where is Canon going with this? Combining the speed of the 1D series and the FF sensor of the 1Ds series. End of both series perhaps? I mean, what is the advantage of the 1D series after this... apart from the 1.3x sensor for reach maybe. FF sensor will be cleaner at higher ISO's anyway. It seems like they are trying to combat the excellent FF / speedy Nikon bodies (like the D700/D3 series) with this one.
Oct 18, 2011 at 12:47 AM
p.14 #14EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
M Vers wrote:
Actually, if you read correctly, it states the 1DX has replaced the 1DIV and the 1DsIII and is the re-invention of the 1D and 1Ds lines NOT the merging 1D and 1Ds lines.
From the official press-telease on Canon USA:
"... the EOS-1D X will be a high-speed multimedia juggernaut replacing both the EOS-1Ds Mark III and EOS-1D Mark IV models in Canon's lineup."
Technically, the word "merge" has not bein used.
However, it should be quite obvious that the 1D-X is the successor to both the 1DsIII and the 1DIV.
Actually, if you read correctly, it states the 1DX has replaced the 1DIV and the 1DsIII and is the re-invention of the 1D and 1Ds lines NOT the merging 1D and 1Ds lines.
From the official press-telease on Canon USA:
"... the EOS-1D X will be a high-speed multimedia juggernaut replacing both the EOS-1Ds Mark III and EOS-1D Mark IV models in Canon's lineup."
Technically, the word "merge" has not bein used.
However, it should be quite obvious that the 1D-X is the successor to both the 1DsIII and the 1DIV.
Oct 18, 2011 at 12:51 AM
p.14 #15EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
Daan B wrote:
End of both series perhaps?
Yes. This kills the two older lines.Sounds like a fully intentional move by canon to have one flagship do it all pro body.
End of both series perhaps?
Yes. This kills the two older lines.Sounds like a fully intentional move by canon to have one flagship do it all pro body.
Oct 18, 2011 at 12:53 AM
p.14 #16EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
RobDickinson wrote:
Yes. This kills the two older lines.Sounds like a fully intentional move by canon to have one flagship do it all pro body.
Right... I pity people who just bought a 1D4.
Maybe Canon still is working on a very high pixel FF camera as well? 1D-Xs?
Anyway, smart move from Canon. This is going to sell big time.
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Daan B wrote
End of both series perhaps?Right... I pity people who just bought a 1D4.
Maybe Canon still is working on a very high pixel FF camera as well? 1D-Xs?
Anyway, smart move from Canon. This is going to sell big time.
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Oct 18, 2011 at 12:55 AM
p.14 #17EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
one funny thing is i believe the press releases for the last few lenses said they were designed to meet the new ever higher density sensors
and then the new higher density sensor is lower
and then the new higher density sensor is lower
Oct 18, 2011 at 12:56 AM
p.14 #18EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
M Vers wrote:
"Superseding the EOS-1D Mark IV and the EOS-1Ds Mark III, the EOS-1D X is the ultimate tool for all professionals offering both exceptional image quality and unparalleled speed in one camera."
I'm not making claims either way, just posting what Canon have published, but using the word superseding is certainly saying something for the moment. Of course, it doesn't preclude future flagship releases.No doubt--even the quote from Check Westfall makes it pretty apparent. That said, there is nothing saying the 1Ds won't be transformed into something else or flat out replaced with an even higher end model. The 1Ds line may be dead, but that doesn't mean there won't be a 1DXs, 1DR etc etc.--That was my point from the get go. There are plenty of photographers out there who will be left craving a very high res DSLR. 1Ds or not, I can't see Canon giving up in this respect.
I can certainly understand why you would think that. I am inclined to agree but they're certainly not giving any reassuring signs in that regard at the moment.
coranda wrote
An interesting quote form the Canon Australia site:"Superseding the EOS-1D Mark IV and the EOS-1Ds Mark III, the EOS-1D X is the ultimate tool for all professionals offering both exceptional image quality and unparalleled speed in one camera."
I'm not making claims either way, just posting what Canon have published, but using the word superseding is certainly saying something for the moment. Of course, it doesn't preclude future flagship releases.
I can certainly understand why you would think that. I am inclined to agree but they're certainly not giving any reassuring signs in that regard at the moment.
Oct 18, 2011 at 12:57 AM
p.14 #19EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
skibum5 wrote:
one funny thing is i believe the press releases for the last few lenses said they were designed to meet the new ever higher density sensors
and then the new higher density sensor is lower
I am not so sure Canon totally gives up it's high pixel ambitions.
one funny thing is i believe the press releases for the last few lenses said they were designed to meet the new ever higher density sensors
and then the new higher density sensor is lower
I am not so sure Canon totally gives up it's high pixel ambitions.
Oct 18, 2011 at 12:58 AM
p.14 #20EOS 1D-X! March 2012!
artsupreme wrote:
Well they better do something with the 5DIII or release the 3D because if this ridiculously expensive 1D X is the only FF Canon offering with good AF and decent fps the D800 is going to smash them...
EB-1 wrote:
That would be OK too.
EBH
wickerprints wrote:
So why don't you just GTFO out and shoot Nikon already, if you hate Canon so much? Or do you just enjoy trolling the forums?
artsupreme wrote:
I never said I hated anything, if fact I love Canon and that's why I shoot it. In fact I love everything about the new body, except for the price and size of course. I'm into value and more compact bodies. There's nothing wrong with accepting the competition has something that we do not have....yet. I'm still hoping for the 3D or whatever is going to compete with the D700/D800.
My post was not addressed to you.
Look, I don't understand why people are bringing up a hypothetical D800 and comparing it to this 1D X. They're not for the same target audience, folks. The 1D X is the next flagship EOS body. The D800, whatever it's going to be, isn't going to be Nikon's flagship. So complaining that the 1D X is too expensive or too bulky doesn't make sense. You can be assured that Canon will offer a successor to the 5D2; we just don't know what it will be.
We don't even know what a D800 will have, and yet people are talking about it as if it's the Next Coming. It's baffling how we've got so much interest in an unannounced camera whose predecessor was a 12 MP body and how it's being compared to a $6800 pro-level, top-of-the-line DSLR.
Well they better do something with the 5DIII or release the 3D because if this ridiculously expensive 1D X is the only FF Canon offering with good AF and decent fps the D800 is going to smash them...
EB-1 wrote:
That would be OK too.
EBH
wickerprints wrote:
So why don't you just GTFO out and shoot Nikon already, if you hate Canon so much? Or do you just enjoy trolling the forums?
artsupreme wrote:
I never said I hated anything, if fact I love Canon and that's why I shoot it. In fact I love everything about the new body, except for the price and size of course. I'm into value and more compact bodies. There's nothing wrong with accepting the competition has something that we do not have....yet. I'm still hoping for the 3D or whatever is going to compete with the D700/D800.
My post was not addressed to you.
Look, I don't understand why people are bringing up a hypothetical D800 and comparing it to this 1D X. They're not for the same target audience, folks. The 1D X is the next flagship EOS body. The D800, whatever it's going to be, isn't going to be Nikon's flagship. So complaining that the 1D X is too expensive or too bulky doesn't make sense. You can be assured that Canon will offer a successor to the 5D2; we just don't know what it will be.
We don't even know what a D800 will have, and yet people are talking about it as if it's the Next Coming. It's baffling how we've got so much interest in an unannounced camera whose predecessor was a 12 MP body and how it's being compared to a $6800 pro-level, top-of-the-line DSLR.
Oct 18, 2011 at 12:59 AM