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So, does the NEX7 really have no touch screen? I don't see why they would add it in the 5N, but not the 7.


this is a plus for me. I would most like have the LCD off 80% of the time.



Aug 24, 2011 at 12:21 PM
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p.5 #2 · Sony A77 & A65 & Nex-7 Announcements Today


NEX new lenses, especially the Zeiss, do seem well spec'd, and as they should be for the money. Same goes for the NEX7 which seems pretty stellar, but, and this is subjective, I think that a line of compact, pancake primes at lower prices really are what the NEX system needed.

If I'm going with a compact body, I want some smaller lenses go with it. Ideally a pancake design for that matter to keep things as small as possible and if that means giving up a little speed and a little IQ, thats fine. I'm not going to use a NEX for critical work.

Rather its a fun casual camera to carry on trips, walks etc.

What I'd love is to see a nice lineup of $399 pancake primes, along the line of the 16mm, though perhaps with a little better optics if I'm wishing here.

I actually went from my NEX5 to m4/3 really for the lens. The IQ isn't as good, but m4/3 has a bunch of nice focal lengths and at prices where you can buy them without really caring as much.

45mm f1.8 for example. Its tiny enough to easy slip into a pocket, provides a nice 90mm equiv and its just $400.

Lets you build up a little system around the camera without spending serious money and you've got this fun little system that can take perfectly decent images for the typical hobbyist usage.

I don't mind spending $1000+ on good glass, but for me at least, I spend that type of money for my "real" cameras, that I use for my work, or that I use when I've got a specific need.

m4/3, NEX etc all were originally meant, in my mind at least to be this compact alternative to carrying a DSLR, and with better IQ than a compact.

A77 looks pretty impressive though. I mean wow, 24megs, articulating LCD etc. Thats actually something I could see buying and using for some of my paid work, be the highest resolution body I've got.

Again, not that the NEX7 looks bad, but if your going to get lenses like the 55-210 for it, which are so big, and rather ruin the size factor, seems like might as well get some higher end performance out of the A77. Got way more options for lenses as well that way with the A mount.



Aug 24, 2011 at 12:21 PM
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p.5 #3 · Sony A77 & A65 & Nex-7 Announcements Today


check out this video, I'd say the size of NEX 7 is perfect for me.


&feature=player_embedded#!



Aug 24, 2011 at 12:29 PM
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p.5 #4 · Sony A77 & A65 & Nex-7 Announcements Today


Couldn't you say the asme thing about a GH-2 or GF-3 and a 100-300 Panasonic lens?


Aug 24, 2011 at 12:33 PM
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ken.vs.ryu wrote:
this is a plus for me. I would most like have the LCD off 80% of the time.


I think it would be quite useful for LCD magnification. On the touch screen LCDs you can just touch the area you want magnified vs. having to scroll to it. Sort of wish the NEX-7 did have one for that reason alone.



Aug 24, 2011 at 12:35 PM
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Couldn't you say the asme thing about a GH-2 or GF-3 and a 100-300 Panasonic lens?



Sorry don't care about 2x crop factor, no matter what.
I'm only considering NEX 7 and the new Samsung coming out in a few days.
I was afraid NEX 7 would be really small and iPhone like, but
they made it perfect, good job!
And I only care about the best image quality with my Zeiss glass,
don't get the stupid "must be small" and "lenses are too big" crowd,
if they want small, get a tiny compact or use your iPhone...




Aug 24, 2011 at 12:38 PM
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I don't mind the scrolling with the nex5. A shorter battery life with a touchscreen would bother me. Focus peaking also minimizes the need to zoom in.


Aug 24, 2011 at 12:40 PM
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bluetsunami wrote:
I think it would be quite useful for LCD magnification. On the touch screen LCDs you can just touch the area you want magnified vs. having to scroll to it. Sort of wish the NEX-7 did have one for that reason alone.



Touch screen + manual focusing sounds like a ergonomic nightmare unless you're on a tripod.



Aug 24, 2011 at 12:57 PM
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snowboarder wrote:
Sorry don't care about 2x crop factor, no matter what.
I'm only considering NEX 7 and the new Samsung coming out in a few days.
I was afraid NEX 7 would be really small and iPhone like, but
they made it perfect, good job!
And I only care about the best image quality with my Zeiss glass,
don't get the stupid "must be small" and "lenses are too big" crowd,
if they want small, get a tiny compact or use your iPhone...



Oh I was responding to Millsart.

The only thing right now I'm concerned about the NEX-7 is how well it will take 35mm+ Leica M lenses. Apparently the earlier Nex-3 and Nex-5 seems to have had problem with the corners although the C3 seems to have alleviated it.



Aug 24, 2011 at 12:58 PM
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NEX-5N ISO6400 is cleaner than the more expensive Nikon D7000 ISO6400 (Sony sensor), much better than the far more expensive Canon 7D ISO6400, and comes soooo close to a 5D2 ISO6400 - a full frame dSLR! This is from an APS-C camera with a 16mm pankcake about the size of a G12 with the camera turned on. I'm absolutely getting either the NEX-7 or the NEX-5N! Finally a camera with ALL of the features I want - APS-C sensor, super compact size, 1080 60p video, video autofocus, video silent lenses, touch-screen focusing, RAW, and great high ISO image quality.


Aug 24, 2011 at 01:01 PM
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NEX-5N ISO6400 is cleaner than the more expensive Nikon D7000 ISO6400 (Sony sensor), much better than the far more expensive Canon 7D ISO6400, and comes soooo close to a 5D2 ISO6400 a full frame dSLR! This is from an APS-C camera with a 16mm pankcake about the size of a G12 with the camera turned on. I'm absolutely getting either the NEX-7 or the NEX-5N! Finally a camera with ALL of the features I want - APS-C sensor, super compact size, 1080 60p video, video autofocus, video silent lenses, touch-screen focusing, RAW, and great high ISO image quality.


Its cleaner but its cleaner by smudging big areas of detail. Look at the red yarn hanging from the holder... that's pretty bad.

Thankfully it shoots RAW. I imagine the NEX-5N sensor is the same in the D7000 but its probably a bit noisier due to smaller supporting electronics and always on live view.



Aug 24, 2011 at 01:04 PM
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The new nex7 + 24/1.8 + 50 1.8. Would make for a great walkaround kit.


Aug 24, 2011 at 01:08 PM
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FlyPenFly wrote:
Couldn't you say the asme thing about a GH-2 or GF-3 and a 100-300 Panasonic lens?


Yes, but that's a 600mm eqv. lens. Any 600mm lens looks oversized on any camera. The 14-140mm or the 45-200mm lenses look rather well proportioned on most m4/3 camera.



Aug 24, 2011 at 01:08 PM
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The GF3 with 45-200 looks about as ridiculous as the NEX cameras with a zoom will look.

Although the king of looking ridiculous with a ILC lens is probably the NEX with a 18-200. Its a fantastic lens though for what it is.

One thing that is remarkable to me is that none of the MFT lenses I used when I had the system ever felt quality. They felt about as well made as the Nikon 55-200 VR which is nice but not great. I see the new Oly lenses though appear to be much nicer.



Aug 24, 2011 at 01:10 PM
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I need to see RAW samples before I form an opinion on the sensor in the A77/NEX-7. From what I've seen in the JPEG output of the A77 at ISOs above 3200 the noise reduction gets too aggressive and smears everything. I'd rather have digital noise instead of smeared detail.


FlyPenFly wrote:
Touch screen + manual focusing sounds like a ergonomic nightmare unless you're on a tripod.


Its not that bad for smaller cameras since you can pull your left hand away to touch the screen and go back to focusing. So compose, touch screen where you would want magnification and then go back and make sure the focus is perfect. Though I like Panasonics "Picture in Picture" style magnification that allows you to keep an eye on your composition while getting magnification in a specific area.



Aug 24, 2011 at 01:26 PM
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Gah, just realized that I can't preorder from amazon to norway buhu!


Aug 24, 2011 at 01:43 PM
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FlyPenFly wrote:
Couldn't you say the asme thing about a GH-2 or GF-3 and a 100-300 Panasonic lens?



Not really, because the 100-300 is a bit unique for a couple of reasons. Mainly while its "bigger" for a m4/3 lens, its still only about 1lb and about 6" and more so, its 600mm equiv which is pretty unique, and its just $500 which is a reasonable price for what it is.

Now it is big enough as to where its probably not something you'd take with you daily, but if your someone who enjoys shooting birds, zoo's etc, its gives some rather unique ability. I think something like the 40-150 which is half the size makes more sense for the average person as 300mm equiv is usually plenty, unless you specifically want a long lens.

You can carry it in a jacket pocket while out hiking for example. Just no way to really get that 600mm equiv with a larger sensor unless your getting into lens that are 2-3 times the size/weight and that typically cost 2-3 times as much.

It just gives options to the overall system is what it does really. You can build up your core system around something like a 9-18, 20mm f1.7 and say a 45mm f1.8. Good all around 3 lens combo thats going to give a great variety of images from a trip, or even casual outing around town.

But lets say you do plan to hit up the zoo or something while on your trip, well you've got the option to toss the 100-300 in the bag and you've got a long telephoto basis covered then.

Obviously if I really wanted to shoot 600mm I'd prefer my Nikon 400 or 200-400 w/ TC and DSLR, but if I'm on vacation with the family in San Diego and we just happen to hit up the zoo there would I really want to ship a case with $12,000 of gear for that ? Would I really want to haul that around while viewing the zoo with the kids ?

No, its rather overkill, in terms of size/weight, expense etc.

Would I want to get a $1800 80-400 type zoom for an APS-C camera ? No again, because thats still a lens thats 3-4lbs and its $1800 and it would have no real use for me to spend that type of money otherwise because a slow zoom doesn't fit into my paid work.

Theres where something like the 100-300 fits into the goldilocks zone for me. Small enough to take with if I think I'll need it, cheap enough I can buy it without feeling I need to justify it, and with a good quality, reach, and OS system to allow some pretty good shots still.

As I said before, its all relative for everyone, and just for me, if a system either ends up being too close in size to what I've got with my DSLR's, or costing thousands of dollars, it just doesn't make sense.

If someone wants to build a system around a NEX or whatever, then thats a bit different, if its their only camera. I'm a sports photographer mainly, I need long fast glass, and a high end DSLR to earn a living.

X100, NEX, m4/3 etc all are just alternatives for when I don't want to fell like I'm working lugging the heayv gear around.

iPhone usually is plenty good for day to day for me, but for vacations etc, I want more than an iPhone.

compacts aren't bad, nice size, low price, but the photographer in me wants a little more control, ability to shoot higher iso, more DOF control etc.

Thats where I've always found stuff like x100, m4/3, NEX to fit.

Near DSLR quality and near compact sizes.


I guess a lot of people want to view NEX etc as a DSLR replacment. I look at it the other way, as a compact replacement.

In that mindset, $1000 lenses, bulky zooms etc doesn't really fit the bill for me because its too much like a scaled down DSLR kit, rather than a scaled up compact, which is how I'm finding m4/3 and its tiny little lenses weighting several ounces like the 14mm f2.5, 20mm f1.7 etc.






Aug 24, 2011 at 01:50 PM
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FlyPenFly wrote:
The GF3 with 45-200 looks about as ridiculous as the NEX cameras with a zoom will look.

Although the king of looking ridiculous with a ILC lens is probably the NEX with a 18-200. Its a fantastic lens though for what it is.

One thing that is remarkable to me is that none of the MFT lenses I used when I had the system ever felt quality. They felt about as well made as the Nikon 55-200 VR which is nice but not great. I see the new Oly lenses though appear to be much nicer.



I had the 18-200 and it was a very good lens, probably one of the best superzooms or whatever you want to call them. It handled awful on the NEX5 though, you've got the hold the lens, not the camera. And trying to shoot at 300mm holding a lens out in your arm, just doesnt work that well.

If they made that lenses for the A55 SLT camera it would of been fantastic. Really don't know why that can't be bought in Alpha mount as well.


As for the m4/3 feel, well, they certainly aren't going to feel like Zeiss or Leica glass. They aren't really heavy for their size sold precision hunks of brass and glass, but they also aren't thousands of dollars either.

The 14mm f2.5 is about as small as two lenscaps put together and weights like 2ounces. Same for the 20mm 1.7 etc.

Despite the cheap feel, they take rather good images though. That 20mm f1.7 is right up here optically with lenses many times its size/weight and also cost. Cost is the main thing too, these lenses are all pretty cheap. Not as cheap as a 50mm f1.8 for a DSLR of course, but priced in a realm that the average consumer isn't going to balk at them either.

I did buy the Oly 12mm f2.0 which is a really nice metal body lens, but not many will spend $800 on a lens like that. People on photo forums, but doubt the average person who bought a camera at Best Buy will.


Really nothing wrong with cheaper plastic lens though if its not something your going to be using day in and day out.

My Nikon G gear, thats in and out of he bag countless assignments a day and if it was plastic no way it would hold up.

But my m4/3 glass, well that sees action a handful of times a month, and when I'm walking around all day, would I rather have a heavy hunk of Leica glass weighting my down, or a 14mm f2.5 thats so light I better not forget it and put those shorts in the wash without emptying my pocket ??

Bottom line is that they really are different products and for different markets



Aug 24, 2011 at 01:59 PM
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Here's a clear picture of the NEX-7's back

http://i.min.us/ibTdl1uqd.jpg



Aug 24, 2011 at 02:08 PM
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millsart wrote:
NEX new lenses, especially the Zeiss, do seem well spec'd, and as they should be for the money. Same goes for the NEX7 which seems pretty stellar, but, and this is subjective, I think that a line of compact, pancake primes at lower prices really are what the NEX system needed.

If I'm going with a compact body, I want some smaller lenses go with it. Ideally a pancake design for that matter to keep things as small as possible and if that means giving up a little speed and a little IQ, thats fine. I'm not going to use a
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I agree with the need for more well priced cakes, but get a smirk when I hear the term "real camera"

I can't follow your argument about not using the NEX for "critical" work: between the E series and the (now) fully functional A series there is a formidable system there to use. Plus access to almost every other good MF lens ever made.

I can't see the 7 being at a disadvantage to a DSLR for Landscape, Studio, Wedding and Fashion (if the flash command is on par with the Alpha series).

What is it except sports you'd not be able to do with this camera that you'd do only with a DSLR?





Aug 24, 2011 at 02:10 PM
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