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p.6 #1 · Sony A77 & A65 & Nex-7 Announcements Today


bluetsunami wrote:
Here's a clear picture of the NEX-7's back

http://i.min.us/ibTdl1uqd.jpg



Nice but I find the lack of printed markings on the dials and buttons unnerving -like I am going to forget what they are there for...



Aug 24, 2011 at 02:15 PM
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p.6 #2 · Sony A77 & A65 & Nex-7 Announcements Today


JimUe wrote:
you don't need a battery grip if you have extra batteries.
i thought sd cards were supposedly able to be faster than cf cards?


The SDHC/SDXC interfaces are capable of higher speeds than CF, but current cards are much slower. A fast SDHC card is 45MB/s, a fast CF card is 90MB/s. CF speed is being driven by high-end Video applications (specifically the RED's and similar devices which can record RAW video at 2-4k resolutions), SD speeds are being driven by regular stills and AVCHD video, which doesn't have the speed requirements and so the cards are about a generation behind in terms of speed even though the interface is capable of higher speeds.



Aug 24, 2011 at 02:31 PM
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dasrocket wrote:
Nice but I find the lack of printed markings on the dials and buttons unnerving -like I am going to forget what they are there for...


From what I understand most of the buttons are user assignable, so you better not forget



Aug 24, 2011 at 02:32 PM
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p.6 #4 · Sony A77 & A65 & Nex-7 Announcements Today


Personally, I think that if you *need* to spend extra money for an EVF that you would be better served just buying an SLR-design like camera.

rscheffler wrote:
Re: the NEX-7. Considering that it has a built in EVF (though not confirmed above) that you don't have to spend several hundred dollars for, the price seems reasonable. (though according to here the EVF for the new NEX-5 will be about $450!)




Aug 24, 2011 at 02:33 PM
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p.6 #5 · Sony A77 & A65 & Nex-7 Announcements Today


By this logic, why not get a larger camera? I'm sure the 5DII will still blow away the NEX 7 for IQ from the sensor and you get to keep your wide performance from your adapted lenses.

snowboarder wrote:
Sorry don't care about 2x crop factor, no matter what.
I'm only considering NEX 7 and the new Samsung coming out in a few days.
I was afraid NEX 7 would be really small and iPhone like, but
they made it perfect, good job!
And I only care about the best image quality with my Zeiss glass,
don't get the stupid "must be small" and "lenses are too big" crowd,
if they want small, get a tiny compact or use your iPhone...





Aug 24, 2011 at 02:40 PM
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p.6 #6 · Sony A77 & A65 & Nex-7 Announcements Today


NEX-7 - is it just for the pixel fetishists?

24 MPix on APS-C means about 50 MPix on FF !!
are there lenses out, that resolve this ?

On my NEX-5 my best and new Leica lenses look poor in the corners with 14 MPix. due to the sensor.

I would buy the NEX-7 anyway, if it would support studio flash, but it has a Sony proprietary flash adapter

dierk



Aug 24, 2011 at 02:41 PM
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d.topp wrote:
NEX-7 - is it just for the pixel fetishists?

24 MPix on APS-C means about 50 MPix on FF !!
are there lenses out, that resolve this ?

On my NEX-5 my best and new Leica lenses look poor in the corners with 14 MPix. due to the sensor.

I would buy the NEX-7 anyway, if it would support studio flash, but it has a Sony proprietary flash adapter

dierk


Well, the NEX-C3 does better in the corners with rangefinder lenses, and hopefully the NEX-7 will, too.



Aug 24, 2011 at 02:46 PM
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p.6 #8 · Sony A77 & A65 & Nex-7 Announcements Today


douglasf13 wrote:
Well, the NEX-C3 does better in the corners with rangefinder lenses, and hopefully the NEX-7 will, too.

I would order it tomorrow, if this would be true - and Sony would offer a standard flash adapter!
dierk



Aug 24, 2011 at 02:53 PM
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p.6 #9 · Sony A77 & A65 & Nex-7 Announcements Today


dasrocket wrote:
What is it except sports you'd not be able to do with this camera that you'd do only with a DSLR?


The ability to shoot very long, very fast, and with AF tracking.



Aug 24, 2011 at 02:55 PM
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p.6 #10 · Sony A77 & A65 & Nex-7 Announcements Today


and, at least now, shoot FF.


Aug 24, 2011 at 02:58 PM
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d.topp wrote:
I would order it tomorrow, if this would be true - and Sony would offer a standard flash adapter!
dierk


Sony sells a rather expensive flash adapter already, but you can find tons of them cheaper on ebay. I used to have a few of them when I shot Alpha DSLRs.



Aug 24, 2011 at 03:05 PM
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Oh baby, Oh yeah, that's it, do it again, Oooooohh...
;-)


d.topp wrote:
NEX-7 - is it just for the pixel fetishists?





Aug 24, 2011 at 03:06 PM
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p.6 #13 · Sony A77 & A65 & Nex-7 Announcements Today


millsart wrote:
As I said before, its all relative for everyone, and just for me, if a system either ends up being too close in size to what I've got with my DSLR's, or costing thousands of dollars, it just doesn't make sense.

If someone wants to build a system around a NEX or whatever, then thats a bit different, if its their only camera. I'm a sports photographer mainly, I need long fast glass, and a high end DSLR to earn a living.

X100, NEX, m4/3 etc all are just alternatives for when I don't want to fell like I'm working lugging the
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I think you are right about the niche for ILC cameras, but this is on a continuum. Some would like their ILC cheaper and closer in size to a compact and some would like their ILC with IQ closer to a DSLR and they are willing to spend a bit more, and put up with a little more size and weight. You sound like you are mostly toward the cheaper and closer in size to the compact end of the continuum and I am closer to the a bit larger size, higher price and better IQ side of the continuum. I think both m4/3rds and NEX would like to occupy the whole continuum, but right now m4/3rds is doing a better job at your end of the continuum and NEX is doing a better job at mine. I can imagine a travel kit for my vacations in which I would have a NEX7, the Sony 16 f/2.8, the Zeiss E 24 f/1.8, a Leica R 35 f/2, a Leica R 50 f/2, and a Leica R 90 f/2.8. For me this would be way lighter and way smaller than my DSLR kit, but still provide excellent IQ. It would be a bit heavy compared to some possible kits, but it would only weigh about 4 lbs, and would all fit easily in the bag I normally take my laptop in for travel. For me that is light enough and would work well. It also would be less than $2,500 because I am using my dslr lenses for much of the kit and $2,500 is within my budget for this type of kit. I can see that others would have other priorities, but maybe this gives you some idea why some of us are very happy about the NEX 7.


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Aug 24, 2011 at 03:07 PM
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mh2000 wrote:
By this logic, why not get a larger camera? I'm sure the 5DII will still blow away the NEX 7 for IQ from the sensor and you get to keep your wide performance from your adapted lenses.




Even going from 5D II to Pentax K5 was a huge downsizing for me.
If going from K5 to NEX 7 saves me that much more weight, it's worth it.
When I'm on set for several days with my camera on me all the time,
believe me, it does matter. Plus it seems like NEX 7 brings the best
image quality/resolution without going medium format/D3x/1Ds IV.





Aug 24, 2011 at 03:11 PM
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I'm a bit disappointed with all these announcements both for what they are and what they portend for the upcoming FF a900 replacement.

1) The EVF is not up to what I had expected based on the reviews at LL and Imaging Resource. Sony has indicated they do not plan on putting a nice optical finder in the a900 FF replacement so unless further improvements are made to the EVF, the next Sony FF viewfinder will be a major disappointment and downgrade from the optical finder in the a900. This is from LL:

"Is it good? Yes, it's very good – for an EVF. I would go so far as to say that it is much preferable to the dim and small reflex viewfinders found on most reduced frame DSLRs. This then begs the question – how does it compare to the viewfinder on a full frame DSLR like the Sony A900.

Not so well. The viewfinder on the A900 is one of the brightest and largest found on any 35mm DSLR – ever. Sony's new OLED EVF, as good as it is, is up against what may the gold standard, and it doesn't quite deliver."

From Imaging-Resource:

"Much though I'm sure Sony would like me to agree with them that the A77's EVF finally matches all the desirable characteristics of an optical viewfinder, I'm afraid that time hasn't yet arrived: While great progress has been made, even the A77's OLED display doesn't come close to providing the dynamic range of a purely optical system. Likewise, update lag during continuous shooting is still at least somewhat an issue."

For the NEX-7, the EVF does seem like it would be nice and the camera itself looks impressive. I also would expect the IQ to be slightly better than the A77 since there will not be a translucent mirror between the lens and sensor. When the $1000 price of the 24 1.8 was initially revealed, there was a rumor the lens was so expensive due to a built in leaf shutter. That sounded pretty exciting to me but alas I guess it's not the case. When the wide angle FF ZA 24 F2 lens sells for just $200 more, the 35mm equivalent 24 1.8 Zeiss for the NEX with less coverage seems way overpriced. $2K for a non FF, not so compact walk around seems crazy to me though it does look nice.






Aug 24, 2011 at 03:19 PM
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d.topp wrote:
NEX-7 - is it just for the pixel fetishists?

24 MPix on APS-C means about 50 MPix on FF !!
are there lenses out, that resolve this ?


Very few lenses and it's pretty clear that Sony's APS 24MP, while very good, is not quite up to the three year old Sony FF 24MP sensor in many respects. For me, this pretty much means we have hit a brick wall for the moment. The next round of FF cameras with 30+ MP will likely offer little in practical use over what we have now. Medium Format digital seems the only real next step up in IQ.



Aug 24, 2011 at 03:27 PM
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Steve Spencer wrote:
I think you are right about the niche for ILC cameras, but this is on a continuum. Some would like their ILC cheaper and closer in size to a compact and some would like their ILC with IQ closer to a DSLR and they are willing to spend a bit more, and put up with a little more size and weight.



+1 to that. No camera will be all things to all people. But, looking at today's reactions, Sony does indeed seem to have designed cameras that some of us really want.



Aug 24, 2011 at 03:36 PM
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I'm just about all in with the NEX-7. This thing with one of my various 35mm rangefinder lenses will have great usability and remain nearly as small as my NEX-5. I do think there should be at least one small, fast, standard prime, and I'd probably bite on such a lens, but I'm ok with manual lenses. Granted, Sigma/Tamron/Cosina probably have something up their sleeves for NEX.

p.s. oddly enough, I am considering buying the cheap kit zoom, which I never bought for the NEX-5, simply because it'd be nice to have a stabilized, AF lens for quick home movies.



Aug 24, 2011 at 03:38 PM
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Tariq Gibran wrote:
Very few lenses and it's pretty clear that Sony's APS 24MP, while very good, is not quite up to the three year old Sony FF 24MP sensor in many respects. For me, this pretty much means we have hit a brick wall for the moment. The next round of FF cameras with 30+ MP will likely offer little in practical use over what we have now. Medium Format digital seems the only real next step up in IQ.


I'm not sure that there'll be much of a gap in performance between the two 24mp sensors. We'll have to see once we are able to process raws that aren't pre-production.



Aug 24, 2011 at 03:39 PM
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Tariq Gibran wrote:
Very few lenses and it's pretty clear that Sony's APS 24MP, while very good, is not quite up to the three year old Sony FF 24MP sensor in many respects. For me, this pretty much means we have hit a brick wall for the moment. The next round of FF cameras with 30+ MP will likely offer little in practical use over what we have now. Medium Format digital seems the only real next step up in IQ.


If the next round of FF cameras come in the 30 MP range, they will offer little in resolution over what we have now because the pixel increment from 24 MP to 30 MP is too little. Tests with my Canon 70-200 II and teleconverters indicate that the lens will still resolve a little more detail on a 300 MP FF sensor than on a 200 MP FF sensor. I will not judge detail from the 24 MP APS-C sensor based on A77 or NEX 7 jpg files, since it it almost certain that NR is applied at all ISO's. We will have to use RAW.



Aug 24, 2011 at 03:42 PM
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