Frankly, if the NEX-7 was shipping today, I probably would not have been able to resist buying one. Given the lengthy 2 months wait, I think I will hold off for now. I think there are a number of exciting camera announcements coming up.
To me, the most important factors are a) the EVF and b) the ergonomically fit for my hands.
If the EVF is good and the camera fit my (relatively) large hands, I'll get it. If not, I'll wait for the next iteration. I'm 100% sure that the image quality will be 99% as good as i need it in 99% of the cases. In other words: far better than I need
All I know is that a lens like the ZM 25/2.8 will be able to output beautiful photographs even if its on a cropper while maintaining the smaller profile of the NEX. What I've seen from that lens on the NEX 3 and 5 have been wonderful. Ideally I would use that lens on a M9 but I'm working with real world funds that won't allow this so the NEX 7 it is!
Tariq Gibran wrote:
Frankly, if the NEX-7 was shipping today, I probably would not have been able to resist buying one. Given the lengthy 2 months wait, I think I will hold off for now. I think there are a number of exciting camera announcements coming up.
What else is coming up? What else is coming up that might even be remotely comparable?
I've pre-ordered the NEX-7 because it looks great and addresses the issues I had with the NEX-5, and if I don't pre-order, I suspect it might be hard to get one for some time.
ulrikft2 wrote:
You nerdy nerd nerds. Lets get back to topic?
It is on topic you ignorant lawyer thing
bluetsunami wrote:
All I know is that a lens like the ZM 25/2.8 will be able to output beautiful photographs even if its on a cropper while maintaining the smaller profile of the NEX. What I've seen from that lens on the NEX 3 and 5 have been wonderful. Ideally I would use that lens on a M9 but I'm working with real world funds that won't allow this so the NEX 7 it is!
Hmm.. I can't really agree with you there about the ZM 25, but it's a question of personal preference rather than anything objective. The ZM 25 is optically truly superb but it is a bit too clinical for my taste. I almost always end up choosing the 28 Cron ASPH instead of it, although the ZM is actually superior in terms of raw optical performance.
There is one thing that I really like the ZM 25 for and it's night shots with long exposures. It produces very graceful diffraction stars and the neutral rendering is an asset.
Tariq Gibran wrote:
But to play devils advocate, the cost of the NEX 7 with the Zeiss 24 1.8 is really not that far away than a FF Sony. The NEX 7 is also going to be expensive to feed it the quality glass it's going to require to really take advantage of it's high density sensor. Thus, I don't see a cost advantage at all. Size and use factors are where it might have advantages.
You are 100% right.
Unfortuneatly the A900 is totally useless to me. I would kill for the image quality. But I cannot carry it, and I hate the thought of those boring AF lenses.
denoir wrote:
It is on topic you ignorant lawyer thing
Hmm.. I can't really agree with you there about the ZM 25, but it's a question of personal preference rather than anything objective. The ZM 25 is optically truly superb but it is a bit too clinical for my taste. I almost always end up choosing the 28 Cron ASPH instead of it, although the ZM is actually superior in terms of raw optical performance.
There is one thing that I really like the ZM 25 for and it's night shots with long exposures. It produces very graceful diffraction stars and the neutral rendering is an asset. ...Show more →
The 28 Summicron ASPH is a lens I want to definitely get at some point or another. I actually like the AoV feel of my 28/2 Nikon on my Rebel XT and I think that would translate over to the NEX.
Lotusm50 wrote:
What else is coming up? What else is coming up that might even be remotely comparable?
I've pre-ordered the NEX-7 because it looks great and addresses the issues I had with the NEX-5, and if I don't pre-order, I suspect it might be hard to get one for some time.
Samsung NX 200 next week perhaps. Then there will likely be FF DSLR's from both Canon and Nikon over the next two months which I'm very curious about.
So, with the pre-order, are you not charged until it ships?
The NX 200 sounds interesting, and would be a great way to go for native lenses. They just can't seem to bring a competitive sensor to Sony yet. Maybe that will finally change?
Only if you carry the camera body without a lens. The NEX-C3 is quite a bit smaller than the NEX-7 but I don't think there's really any situation where the C3 would be more convenient to carry than the M9. The C3 body is indeed smaller than the M9, but it doesn't change a thing as far as portability goes, since the thing sticking out will be the lens. It's only if you use some kind of pancake lens, but you'll be sacrificing image quality again.
What you do gain is weight. The M9 is compact but relatively heavy (585 g) compared to the C3 (225 g) as well as the NEX-7 (350 g).
bluetsunami wrote:
The 28 Summicron ASPH is a lens I want to definitely get at some point or another. I actually like the AoV feel of my 28/2 Nikon on my Rebel XT and I think that would translate over to the NEX.
There's one thing you must watch out for though - a lot of the distinct look of the 28 Cron comes from its outrageous vignetting. It's about three stops wide open and still a stop and a half at f/5.6. It gives produces a very special look because of that - it's like a built in ND-grad filter, making it capable of producing deeply saturated photos in broad daylight. I have not used the lens a lot on NEX, but I suspect that if you just keep the middle of the frame it will lose a lot of its character. In that respect the 25 Biogon keeps more of its style on crop as it's pretty consistent across the frame on FF as well.
douglasf13 wrote:
Pre-order on amazon only charges when shipped.
The NX 200 sounds interesting, and would be a great way to go for native lenses. They just can't seem to bring a competitive sensor to Sony yet. Maybe that will finally change?
Ok, I went ahead an pre-ordered the body. I can always cancel later if needed.
Luka, you should check out one of those Hawks helicoid adapters for your NEX. Cutting the mfd of your M lenses could give you a nice alternative way to shoot them compared to your M9, although I'm not sure how it would react with your lenses with floating elements.
ulrikft2 wrote:
To me, the most important factors are a) the EVF and b) the ergonomically fit for my hands.
If the EVF is good and the camera fit my (relatively) large hands, I'll get it. If not, I'll wait for the next iteration. I'm 100% sure that the image quality will be 99% as good as i need it in 99% of the cases. In other words: far better than I need
+1, except that i can make any soap bar ish camera fit my hands so i'm reasonably sure i'll be able to work with this. it's cameras with real grips that i have trouble with. my fingers are to long for both rebels and nikon pro cameras (wtf!!!), most everything else seems to work alright.
douglasf13 wrote:
Luka, you should check out one of those Hawks helicoid adapters for your NEX. Cutting the mfd of your M lenses could give you a nice alternative way to shoot them compared to your M9, although I'm not sure how it would react with your lenses with floating elements.
Yeah, I've thought about that. In the mean time, I've got tuubes
denoir wrote:
Only if you carry the camera body without a lens. The NEX-C3 is quite a bit smaller than the NEX-7 but I don't think there's really any situation where the C3 would be more convenient to carry than the M9. The C3 body is indeed smaller than the M9, but it doesn't change a thing as far as portability goes, since the thing sticking out will be the lens. It's only if you use some kind of pancake lens, but you'll be sacrificing image quality again.
What you do gain is weight. The M9 is compact but relatively heavy (585 g) compared to the C3 (225 g) as well as the NEX-7 (350 g).
There's one thing you must watch out for though - a lot of the distinct look of the 28 Cron comes from its outrageous vignetting. It's about three stops wide open and still a stop and a half at f/5.6. It gives produces a very special look because of that - it's like a built in ND-grad filter, making it capable of producing deeply saturated photos in broad daylight. I have not used the lens a lot on NEX, but I suspect that if you just keep the middle of the frame it will lose a lot of its character. In that respect the 25 Biogon keeps more of its style on crop as it's pretty consistent across the frame on FF as well. ...Show more →
ah, but if you use the same lens and separate the camera from lens when carrying the NEX offers significant savings of space. also, i found the NEX plus contax g 35/2 or similar sized lens to be much easier to fit in my jacket pocket than an m camera with the older smaller 35mm cron. the m9 is too tall and thick at the edges, really it doesn't seem to be any smaller than my minolta xd-11 with the 45/2.
about the 28/2 cron - any chance we could see a picture of that on your NEX? that is one of the current lenses that seems like it might be best suited for the NEX as a walk around lens. from what i've seen it looks like it should still have substantial vignetting on the NEX as well, though not as dramatic of course.
sebboh wrote:
ah, but if you use the same lens and separate the camera from lens when carrying the NEX offers significant savings of space. also, i found the NEX plus contax g 35/2 or similar sized lens to be much easier to fit in my jacket pocket than an m camera with the older smaller 35mm cron. the m9 is too tall and thick at the edges, really it doesn't seem to be any smaller than my minolta xd-11 with the 45/2.
Yes, if you don't carry the lens mounted then you'll save space. As for the XD-11 vs M9, the M9 is significantly smaller. The XD-11 is 51 x 86 x 136 mm while the M9 is 37x80x139 mm. So it's 1.5 cm thinner, which is quite a lot. The M9 is uniformly about as thick as the C3 is on its thickest place (the hand grip).
One interesting thing - the NEX-7 is actually fatter than the M9 at the hand grip - 43mm vs 37mm..
about the 28/2 cron - any chance we could see a picture of that on your NEX? that is one of the current lenses that seems like it might be best suited for the NEX as a walk around lens. from what i've seen it looks like it should still have substantial vignetting on the NEX as well, though not as dramatic of course.
very small diameter, but long, and at 412 grams, it's heavier by far than my MD 135/3.5--BUT you gain 90 grams by not having to take the MD adapter, and most importantly it seems to out perform the MD at infinity--as well as the OM 135/2.8.
Seems to be in the same league as the Canon LTM 85/1.8 and 100/2, and the build is very similar. Way cheaper though. You get an idea in the first shot of corner performance in the lower right
They say it's sharp all the way across at 3.5 but I haven't had any real close looks yet.
denoir wrote:
Yes, if you don't carry the lens mounted then you'll save space. As for the XD-11 vs M9, the M9 is significantly smaller. The XD-11 is 51 x 86 x 136 mm while the M9 is 37x80x139 mm. So it's 1.5 cm thinner, which is quite a lot. The M9 is uniformly about as thick as the C3 is on its thickest place (the hand grip).
actually the xd-11 is 32mm thick except for at the prism hump/lens mount, so again more pocketable than the m9 though the lens sticks out more than certain m lenses (but not that many).
edit: the xd-11 is not the smallest film slr by any means either. it's just the one i have on my desk.
sebboh wrote:
actually the xd-11 is 32mm thick except for at the prism hump/lens mount, so again more pocketable than the m9 though the lens sticks out more than certain m lenses (but not that many).
edit: the xd-11 is not the smallest film slr by any means either. it's just the one i have on my desk.
And the M9 is ~32 mm if you exclude the lens mount and 14 mm thinner than the XD-11 if you include it. And it would be weird not to include it as it's a big hump on the XD. And of course the lenses are much fatter - they're standard SLR lenses.
Sure the XD-11 is not the smallest SLR. I have a smaller one - the Pentax P30. And it's still takes up far more space than the M9, even though it is thinner in places. First it's because of the mirror box and second because of the lens which is thicker than any rangefinder lens I've used.
It's actually rather interesting how 'substantial' a camera feels. For instance the M6 feels more thin and compact compared to the M9, but when you actually measure them you see that there are only a couple of mm differences, and not in the places you think. Also the P30 and M6 have nearly identical dimensions and yet the P30 feels like a much bigger camera. I suppose it has to do with the geometry of the thing.
