fredmiranda.com
Login

Moderated by: Fred Miranda
  New fredmiranda.com Mobile Site
  New Feature: SMS Notification alert
  New Feature: Buy & Sell Watchlist
  

FM Forums | Sony Forum | Join Upload & Sell

       2       3       4       5       end
  

Archive 2020 · Tamron Zoom Shootout (28-75, 28-200, 35-150 EF, and 70-180)

  
 
Luballs
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #1 · Tamron Zoom Shootout (28-75, 28-200, 35-150 EF, and 70-180)


So I am new to this but wanted to contribute to the forum. I deplore testing new lenses, but have learned on FM that it can be worthwhile to do it once and then move on (like a mathematical proof). I will explain my tests. I will almost certainly not re-shoot anything that you ask, as I am anxious to understand my gear, draw my conclusions, move on and make images!

I have been into photography since only about 2017 other than snapping images with a point and shoot while backpacking. I have been a fan of Tamron zooms for overall balance of features since I got into the game, so I have acquired the 28-75 f2.8 as one of my first FE lenses. I knew the 70-180 f2.8 would be an instant pre-order as soon as the rumors started. I couldn't stop thinking how awesome the 35-150 f2.8-4 for EF sounded, and adapted it with an MB V for my first non-native lens experience. And today I was running errands for my wife and decided to call Samy's in Pasadena to see if they had a 28-200 f2.8-5.6 in stock and they did, so.... here we are! I could give you some rationalization BS about a niche use for every lens (which there certainly is!), but let's be honest.... the reason is simply because MOOOAAAR. Moar is moar. More.

I claim zero expertise on lens testing, but every shot is on a A7rIII with stable tripod (Manfrotto MT055CXPro3 and BH40 ballhead), focused with 12.8x zoom in AF-S (except the adapted 35-150 which can't do 12.8x AF for dog $#*^ so it is the only lens I used MF in 12.8x zoom). 2 second timer. Manual exposure using f8, 1/160 second, ISO 100 was unchanged for all images (I chose a middle exposure to average 28mm and 200mm so that all focal lengths were within approximately +/-1 EV of ideal). I tested 28mm, 35mm, 50mm, 70mm, 100mm, 135mm, 150mm, 180mm, and 200mm for all shared focal lengths.

The images were processed in Capture One 12 and no editing was done (only default manufacturer lens profiles and default sharpening that happens upon import). Obviously the comparisons are just a screenshot of various levels of zoom (200-400% on what seemed most relevant for each focal length and area being compared). I used Affinity Photo to resize the screenshots for sharing size (2400px long edge) and converted them into jpeg (at 45-85% quality to keep the file sizes to posting limits) without any other processing whatsoever. I did not always use exact extreme corners, as I repositioned the frame somewhat to line up relevant and discernable landmarks for comparison. I am not going to get into the minutia of any slight decentering/tilting/front or back focus on any single shot, as I was able to draw meaningful conclusions for my own satisfaction comparing two adjacent focal lengths (35mm vs 28mm and 50mm for example) if anything ever seemed kinda off in any one image. For the wider focal lengths I showed a general point of interest in the foreground and midground, but for the longer tele focal lengths, I just used center, UR, and UL areas that are all basically along the plane of focus (the tele focal lengths basically had varying amounts and locations of extreme foreground defocus/bokeh anyways).

Here was the image as a whole. I never moved the tripod head/camera once set up and always focused on the bikes leaned against the tree in the center of the background to simulate "infinity" landscape shots, which are my primary interest. I tried to choose a composition while zooming that quickly put trees in the upper corners and had a few foreground/midground elements other than grass to help judge any interesting depth of field/field curvature/missed focus issues to give context. So here goes!








Edited on Jun 27, 2020 at 03:04 AM · View previous versions



Jun 27, 2020 at 12:18 AM
Luballs
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #2 · Tamron Zoom Shootout (28-75, 28-200, 35-150 EF, and 70-180)


28mm

28-200 on the left and 28-75 on the right.

My impression? the 28-200 is dang good here and the two lenses go neck and neck through the whole frame. The 28-200 probably resolved more detail overall, but had mega purple fringing going on.


























Edited on Jun 27, 2020 at 12:26 AM · View previous versions



Jun 27, 2020 at 12:19 AM
Luballs
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #3 · Tamron Zoom Shootout (28-75, 28-200, 35-150 EF, and 70-180)


35mm

35-150 UL, 28-200 UR, 28-75 LL

The 35-150 and 28-75 slug it out all over the frame, and both are excellent. I love the color and contrast out of the 35-150. The 28-200 seems to fall apart hard

NOTE: see my tests on page 3 where I compare the 28-200 vs the APSC 18-135 before drawing any conclusions about the 28-200 at this focal length. I believe I somehow missed focus on the 28-200


























Edited on Jun 29, 2020 at 12:22 PM · View previous versions



Jun 27, 2020 at 12:19 AM
Luballs
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #4 · Tamron Zoom Shootout (28-75, 28-200, 35-150 EF, and 70-180)


50mm

35-150 UL, 28-200 UR, 28-75 LL

Once again the 35-150 and 28-75 seem to trade blows, but there was a definite front/back focus between the two with the 35-150 being much better in the far background and the 28-75 being much better in the extreme foreground and the lenses about tying in the middle. The 28-200 makes up some ground to these two after it's absolutely lousy 35mm performance, but still trails them both noticeably.

NOTE: see my tests on page 3 where I compare the 28-200 vs the APSC 18-135 before drawing any conclusions about the 28-200 at this focal length. I believe I somehow missed focus on the 28-200


























Edited on Jun 29, 2020 at 12:23 PM · View previous versions



Jun 27, 2020 at 12:20 AM
Luballs
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #5 · Tamron Zoom Shootout (28-75, 28-200, 35-150 EF, and 70-180)


70mm... the four-way slug-fest!

35-150 UL, 28-200 UR, 28-75 LL, 70-180 LR

the 35-150 and 70-180 are almost tied everywhere in my eye with the 28-75 very very close behind. the 28-200 trails all others noticeably the more you move out away from the center. I can't get over the super unique colors and contrast from the 35-150!

NOTE: see my tests on page 3 where I compare the 28-200 vs the APSC 18-135 before drawing any conclusions about the 28-200 at this focal length. I believe I somehow missed focus on the 28-200
















Edited on Jun 29, 2020 at 12:24 PM · View previous versions



Jun 27, 2020 at 12:20 AM
Luballs
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #6 · Tamron Zoom Shootout (28-75, 28-200, 35-150 EF, and 70-180)


100mm

35-150 UL, 28-200 UR, 70-180 LL

The 35-150 and 70-180 trade blows (70-180 takes UR, 35-150 UL and about the same in center). The 28-200 starts to slightly close the resolution gap again after a great showing at the wide end and a terrible showing in the middle focal lengths, but it is definitely still quite a bit behind the other two in resolution and contrast.

NOTE: see my tests on page 3 where I compare the 28-200 vs the APSC 18-135 before drawing any conclusions about the 28-200 at this focal length. I believe I somehow missed focus on the 28-200
















Edited on Jun 29, 2020 at 12:26 PM · View previous versions



Jun 27, 2020 at 12:20 AM
Luballs
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #7 · Tamron Zoom Shootout (28-75, 28-200, 35-150 EF, and 70-180)


135mm

35-150 UL, 28-200 UR, 70-180LL

The 70-180 eeks out a win here. The 35-150 ties it in center, but falls a bit in the corners. The 28-200 still lags a big in the center, but... wait for it... wait for it... IT MAKES A COMEBACK IN THE CORNERS! IT beats the 35-150 in some places and comes within a respectable distance of the 70-180.

NOTE: see my tests on page 3 where I compare the 28-200 vs the APSC 18-135 before drawing any conclusions about the 28-200 at this focal length. I believe I somehow missed focus on the 28-200
















Edited on Jun 29, 2020 at 12:27 PM · View previous versions



Jun 27, 2020 at 12:20 AM
Luballs
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #8 · Tamron Zoom Shootout (28-75, 28-200, 35-150 EF, and 70-180)


150mm

35-150 UL, 28-200 UR, 70-180LL

I can't believe it. The 28-200 has pulled RIGHT back in it. It is only slightly behind in the center and it is almost a wash in the corners. the 70-180 is the sliiight winner in the corners. the 35-150 is the sliiight winner in the center. Wherever one lens wins, the other two are close behind

NOTE: see my tests on page 3 where I compare the 28-200 vs the APSC 18-135 before drawing any conclusions about the 28-200 at this focal length. I believe I somehow missed focus on the 28-200
















Edited on Jun 29, 2020 at 12:29 PM · View previous versions



Jun 27, 2020 at 12:21 AM
Luballs
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #9 · Tamron Zoom Shootout (28-75, 28-200, 35-150 EF, and 70-180)


180mm

28-200 left, 70-180 right

it's almost neck and neck in center and the left corner. the 70-180 definitely wins in the right corner, but this probably has something to do with a slight decentering at this focal length on this copy.
















Edited on Jun 27, 2020 at 01:19 AM · View previous versions



Jun 27, 2020 at 12:21 AM
Luballs
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #10 · Tamron Zoom Shootout (28-75, 28-200, 35-150 EF, and 70-180)


200mm

so the 28-200 is the comeback kid. This copy is definitely strongest at the very widest and the longer focal lengths, with a serious dip in the middle. The global images look quite good without pixel peeping, it seems to focus well, the flare control and sunstars seem to be pretty good (I shot tests for that too that I have yet to review though), and the build is exactly the same between all these lenses. I did also shoot handheld 1/80 second (realistically slow but not super slow SS) tests for all these lenses to see if lens stabilization makes a difference, but we will see if I ever feel like getting around to posting that... haha. I will probably not keep them all, but I thought I'd give back to the community this time. Hope you enjoyed my incredibly flawed methods of posting images, but I think my errors were, at the least, consistent, and the data points are numerous enough to make relevant conclusions for yourself.

















Jun 27, 2020 at 12:21 AM
j4nu
Offline
• • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #11 · Tamron Zoom Shootout (28-75, 28-200, 35-150 EF, and 70-180)


Thanks, very educational! So it seems 28-200 is a bit overhyped, as the stigma of super zoom rears its ugly head in the mid range . I'd say the good news is that there are other excellent options that cover that, the bad being that in my case that would probably the most used range ...
Anyways, I think I'll also give 28-200 a shot and see how it compares to Sigma 24-70 I've started using recently.
Thanks again for all the effort put into this .



Jun 27, 2020 at 01:40 AM
Luballs
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #12 · Tamron Zoom Shootout (28-75, 28-200, 35-150 EF, and 70-180)


j4nu wrote:
Thanks, very educational! So it seems 28-200 is a bit overhyped, as the stigma of super zoom rears its ugly head in the mid range . I'd say the good news is that there are other excellent options that cover that, the bad being that in my case that would probably the most used range ...
Anyways, I think I'll also give 28-200 a shot and see how it compares to Sigma 24-70 I've started using recently.
Thanks again for all the effort put into this .


So this was purely for landscape type infinity tests. I would say globally the midrange is still fine as those focal lengths require 400% to even see the background. For more varied styles of shooting, medicineman has a thread where his realworld images with this lens look fantastic. Just my contribution for one type of photography on a brand new lens with little info out there yet



Jun 27, 2020 at 01:46 AM
j4nu
Offline
• • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #13 · Tamron Zoom Shootout (28-75, 28-200, 35-150 EF, and 70-180)


Luballs wrote:
So this was purely for landscape type infinity tests. I would say globally the midrange is still fine as those focal lengths require 400% to even see the background. For more varied styles of shooting, medicineman has a thread where his realworld images with this lens look fantastic. Just my contribution for one type of photography on a brand new lens with little info out there yet


Yes, I saw that thread - magnificent photos by medicineman indeed. So, maybe not all is lost as I was planning to try out 28-200 as a do-it-all "lazy" lens so pixel peeping at 400% is rather out of the question (I try to limit myself to 100% with my other lenses anyways).



Jun 27, 2020 at 02:10 AM
Luballs
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #14 · Tamron Zoom Shootout (28-75, 28-200, 35-150 EF, and 70-180)


so the flare/ghosting/sunstar tests were easy enough to post. all shots at f16 and just picked a few examples from many, many shots to show various ghosting/flare patterns. my conclusion is that they all produce similar sunstars with the 70-180 having the coolest looking at 70mm followed by the 28-75 at 28mm. the 28-200 is pretty ghost/flare resistant with the samples of ghosting/flare posted not that hard to avoid or minimize. the 28-75 is close behind but sliiightly more flare/ghost prone. the 70-180 sliiightly behind that with more detrimental ghosting when it does happen. and the 35-150 is a ghosting machine. it's hard to avoid with sun in frame. the biggest downside to this otherwise remarkable lens... i tested at wide/mid/long focal lengths for each lens and concluded you should just never shoot tele sunstars. just don't do it. I am still undecided on posting the handheld lens stabilization vs IBIS tests...

here are the 28-200
















Edited on Jun 27, 2020 at 02:40 AM · View previous versions



Jun 27, 2020 at 02:31 AM
Luballs
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #15 · Tamron Zoom Shootout (28-75, 28-200, 35-150 EF, and 70-180)


35-150

















Jun 27, 2020 at 02:32 AM
Luballs
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #16 · Tamron Zoom Shootout (28-75, 28-200, 35-150 EF, and 70-180)


28-75

















Jun 27, 2020 at 02:33 AM
Luballs
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #17 · Tamron Zoom Shootout (28-75, 28-200, 35-150 EF, and 70-180)


70-180

















Jun 27, 2020 at 02:34 AM
Luballs
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #18 · Tamron Zoom Shootout (28-75, 28-200, 35-150 EF, and 70-180)


Some general user observations and aforementioned rationalization BS about a use for each lens (like you guys need reasons...) and then I am done for the night...

The 28-75 is a darling for me. Great for travel and events. Pseudo close-up detail shots are fun and seem to be a staple for all their new lenses, but Tamron started the trend with this lens and it's still useful. Great focus, i kinda like the busy bokeh, and the best all-arounder.

The 70-180 is new to me (and everyone!) but so much fun to have this focal length and aperture in this size. I never had more fun than I did with a 70-200 f4 G and I regret selling that sometimes in the pursuit of MOAR. But getting back this focal range in the same fun size and a faster aperture are great. Haven't used it enough to see if the lack of OSS will be an issue, but it certainly is hard to compose in 12.8x magnification at 180mm With just IBIS. Like really hard. But it's already been said and I'll say it again: an easy walkabout 70-200ish f2.8? So much fun

I didn't post global images but the 35-150 just has a LOOK. It's so much contrastier with warmer and more red tones than anything I've seen. It doesn't AF well enough to do anything fast paced with the A7riii and metabones, but it should with the A9 (only tested inside). It is landscape use only for me as an adapted lens, but it really feels unique with excellent sharpness at all focal lengths. It beat the 24-105 I had and sold after testing them both. It's such a unique focal range and more useful than 24-70 or 24-105 when paired with a wide angle lens. And this lens is the only one with OSS/VC, which does make a hige difference when composing and nailing focus at the long end in magnified view. I just wish it was better with sun in frame...

The 28-200 looks more like a beautifully small and fun lens for playful random shooting than a landscape specialist. The lack of lens stabilization will play out exactly the same for this as the 70-180 I imagine: harder to compose but probably fine for the vast majority of final images. The AF is great for average use and the images focused around tight composition and bokeh that others are posting make me want to try it for that. Street, event, portrait and travel photography have peeked my interest when I get bored of landscapes, and this lens looks like it does a little of each without being specialized for any. I went straight for landscape testing because that's where I started out and so many people were clamoring for info on this aspect of this extremely new lens. The form factor is unbelievable and if it beats the image quality of the18-135/a6400 combo I have been very pleased with on backpacking trips (I may actually do this test now that I think about it), then I think we have opened up a whole new level with reasonably light fullframe backpacking setups (and I can ultralight with the best of them). I still probably won't keep them all, but for today I got a taste of MOAR...




Jun 27, 2020 at 03:24 AM
Michael Everet
Offline
• • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.1 #19 · Tamron Zoom Shootout (28-75, 28-200, 35-150 EF, and 70-180)


Thank you for making these tests. This has been very useful. I'm expecting my 70-200 either tomorrow or Sunday, so will see how it compares.


Jun 27, 2020 at 12:54 PM
Michael Everet
Offline
• • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.1 #20 · Tamron Zoom Shootout (28-75, 28-200, 35-150 EF, and 70-180)


Isn't it kind of strange that a zoom would be strongest at both extremes and weakest in the middle.


Jun 27, 2020 at 12:58 PM
       2       3       4       5       end




FM Forums | Sony Forum | Join Upload & Sell

       2       3       4       5       end
    
 

Welcome back
Log in to your account