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p.651 #1 · p.651 #1 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Thank you Joe and Matt. Indeed the CV is an attractive option. My local supplier has it in stock so I hope he will let do a test drive with a demo sample. As for the ZM 25, it is really a perfect lens. The only reason I'm considering the 21 is that I'm not entirely sure it will be sufficiently wide for my plan to work only with 4 lenses. I'm worried I'll be loosing all the goodness of the 25 if I replace it with the ZM 21 which seems less perfect on paper, and also may have more color shift to deal with.


May 22, 2013 at 06:08 PM
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p.651 #2 · p.651 #2 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


zhangyue wrote:
No, no, you misunderstand me. I am not trying to sell mine. but want to have more people with lens on this board. Since your 50lux Pre-ASPH is keeping push me to the cliff. Another wonderful set.

If you can find this cron V1 at decent price, it is a strong BUY. recommended, but not for $3000+ ebay price.


i've always been tempted by that lens, but for the ridiculous price i'd rather get a 28 cron.

with regard to 50 lux pre-asph, how do you guys feel about it stopped down to f/5.6 or smaller and landscape use?

i've been using brad's on my NEX-7 and think it's a beautiful portrait lens at large aperture but rather weak in any other capacity (nice color though). was wondering if the same was true on leica's less troublesome sensors? the 35 lux pre-asph on the other hand is a pretty all round awesome lens btw and cheaper than the michael's v1 cron for those of you experimenting with old glass.



May 22, 2013 at 07:57 PM
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p.651 #3 · p.651 #3 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Some fun test shots on my Voigtlander 35mm f/1.4 Classic Single Coated. Maybe they improved manufacturing QC or maybe I was lucky with my copy as it doesn't seem to exhibit significant focus shift.

On the left, dad's German toy camera. On the right, child's German Bruder Truck
Tripod mounted, no pp, exported from DNG out of camera.

@f/1.4 at approx 0.7MFD






@f/2






@f/2.8 (it really sharpens up at this aperture)






@f/4






@f/5.6






@ f/8






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1:1 crop
@ f/1.4 (mushy?)






@f/2 (slightly better)






@f/2.8 (definitely better and it improves further at f/4)






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at infinity focus







1:1 crops for f/1.4, f/2. f/2.8 and f/4






















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I did not have time to carry out corner resolution test but conclusion? I'm keeping this lens . Just wanted to share these here since I don't seem to see too many pictures posted on this thread with this lens. Although f/1.4 seems really poor, it is actually about the same as the Nocti 50 f/1.0 at f/1.0.



May 23, 2013 at 01:58 AM
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p.651 #4 · p.651 #4 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


sebboh wrote:
i've always been tempted by that lens, but for the ridiculous price i'd rather get a 28 cron.

with regard to 50 lux pre-asph, how do you guys feel about it stopped down to f/5.6 or smaller and landscape use?

i've been using brad's on my NEX-7 and think it's a beautiful portrait lens at large aperture but rather weak in any other capacity (nice color though). was wondering if the same was true on leica's less troublesome sensors? the 35 lux pre-asph on the other hand is a pretty all round awesome lens btw and cheaper than the michael's v1 cron
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Derek, Just pick one with goggle. Which should be more reasonable and just remove goggle for NEX and future FF MILC.

As for 50lux pre-ASPH, from its MTF, there is a huge dip (40lp/mm down to ground) in 15mm zone at f5.6. So, I am not surprised to hear stop down performance. Though I don't know if it is just FC or not sharp. My 50lux R at f4 behave about the same as pre-ASPH M at f5.6 (huge dip at 15mm zone), but I found it is great at f8. I'd love to know if pre-ASPH clean it up at f8. However, if MTF is right, it should be very sharp WO, more than 50lux R, which I feel it is very good.

As for 35lux pre-asph, its slow down performance shouldn't be as good as 35cron V1. but it is compatible to 35cron IV, pretty good. All above information are judged from MTF from leica pocket book

35cron V1 WO















May 23, 2013 at 03:44 AM
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p.651 #5 · p.651 #5 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Joe, thanks for all the comparison shots. Great information about 35 voigtlux, wonder how it compare 35lux pre-ASPH. 50mm f1?? did you just get a new lens?


May 23, 2013 at 03:46 AM
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p.651 #6 · p.651 #6 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


joe88 wrote:
Some fun test shots on my Voigtlander 35mm f/1.4 Classic Single Coated. Maybe they improved manufacturing QC or maybe I was lucky with my copy as it doesn't seem to exhibit significant focus shift.

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1:1 crop
@ f/1.4 (mushy?)
http://josephow.zenfolio.com/img/s1/v48/p1822446572-5.jpg


it looks like your lens definitely displays focus shift but has focus calibrated for f/2.8. the photo above shows that you are severely front focused at f/1.4 the closer parts of the test chart on the left are considerably sharper than the focus point despite being well off center.

zhangyue wrote:
Derek, Just pick one with goggle. Which should be more reasonable and just remove goggle for NEX and future FF MILC.

As for 50lux pre-ASPH, from its MTF, there is a huge dip (40lp/mm down to ground) in 15mm zone at f5.6. So, I am not surprised to hear stop down performance. Though I don't know if it is just FC or not sharp. My 50lux R at f4 behave about the same as pre-ASPH M at f5.6 (huge dip at 15mm zone), but I found it is great at f8. I'd love to know if pre-ASPH clean it up
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michael, i've thought about the goggled ones, but they seem expensive lately too, and i think i'd rather take the lux for a slightly lower price. it's amazing for portraits at f/2 where it's bokeh smooths out (unlike the cron). much like the 50mm it has that mtf dip, i didn't find it as bothersome with the 35 though.

the 50 lux pre-asph is fairly sharp wide open in the center but with a lot of glow. i have a number of lenses that are sharper and just as fast or faster though (bear in mind i'm using it on camera that has the pixel density of 56mp FF camera). the great thing about the lens is the focus transitions are very gentle so that you don't notice them occurring on people's faces. bokeh is squirrelly but no where near as much as the sonnar and can be quite nice in certain situations. at f/8 it is usably sharp across the (aps-c) frame, but nothing i would choose to use for landscape (most of my fast normals will outperform it here). here's a sample at f/8:



shot was in the rain so not the greatest for judging (you can view it larger if you click through to flickr i think).



May 23, 2013 at 06:08 AM
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p.651 #7 · p.651 #7 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Joe, the CV 1.4/35 is surprisingly good for a classic design (classic to me usually means a lot of SA, focus shift and unusable wide open )

Zhangyue, You're the master of hazy atmospheric shots. Very nice!

Derek, love the rain shot. Another atmospheric capture that would surely make Zhangyue proud



May 23, 2013 at 07:08 AM
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p.651 #8 · p.651 #8 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


You're welcome guys! Edward, I guess you won't like this lens since you didn't really like the focus shift on the 50 1,.5 C-Sonnar

Michael, another nice one with the 35CronV1.

sebboh wrote:
it looks like your lens definitely displays focus shift but has focus calibrated for f/2.8. the photo above shows that you are severely front focused at f/1.4 the closer parts of the test chart on the left are considerably sharper than the focus point despite being well off center.


Interesting observation Derek, I didn't notice the front focus as I was preoccupied with back focus when stopped down. I expected the lens to be calibrated for optimum focus at f/1.4 since this was what I have read on Sean Reid's test and elsewhere. I'll retest again when I have some time, but nonetheless, I like this lens as an alternative to the 35Lux for the price and closer focus distance, albeit the CV 35/1.4 has quite noticeable distortion. How was the performance of your 35Lux, did it have significant focus shift?




May 23, 2013 at 01:00 PM
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p.651 #9 · p.651 #9 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


zhangyue wrote:
Joe, thanks for all the comparison shots. Great information about 35 voigtlux, wonder how it compare 35lux pre-ASPH. 50mm f1?? did you just get a new lens?


I hinted with my "Nocturnal" delight post earlier Yes, I bought a Nocti f/1.0, E60 4th version with build in hood. It was CLA'ed and checked by DAG and focus seems spot on on my Monochrom. The problem is, the lens is really unsharp at f/1.0 on my copy. I guess this is the "look" it produces? The out of focus rendition is what makes this lens popular and kind of makes up for the lack of sharpness at f/1.0 I was (and am still) debating between the f/1.0 or f/0.95 version.







Do you think the above looks OK? It seems to me, nothing is in focus.



May 23, 2013 at 01:11 PM
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p.651 #10 · p.651 #10 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Derek, I am drawing into that picture. So peaceful.

Joe, I wish I can struggle with decision between the two No, I cant afford either. Can't judge sharpness at this size, but you need ask yourself if it meet your threshold for sharpness. I have one in my mind and not very high But if it was me, 0.95 is the one. A truly master piece for just what it can do. It is sharper than 50lux slow down. At 0.95, POP is crazy. Only down side of that lens is size and very occasional busy bokeh, but that is 0.95 Bokeh, whoelse has that?

Edward, I forget offer my suggestion about your choice of 21. If I am in the market again, I will choose either 21 SEM or Voigtlander 21. Zeiss 21 is great lens, no flaw to me, but I feel it will lose sharpness (before f5.6) to SEM, and character/versatility to Voig. I have planned to add 15 Voiglander for a while for its specialty and size and PRICE.

35 and 50 are two must have in M line. You really need ask yourself do you prefer 21 to 25 as focal length need but not optics, that is way more important to me even there is difference in optics performance. (Though, I doubt it has much.) Id keep 25 and get 15 for the reason listed if you must have a change. Otherwise, I feel your line of lens is just fine

If only keep 4 lens in the bag, I will bring 18 instead of 85mm, just because rangefinder is so powerful at wide end. but that is just me.

A 50lux ASPH WO










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p.651 #11 · p.651 #11 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


joe88 wrote:
Interesting observation Derek, I didn't notice the front focus as I was preoccupied with back focus when stopped down. I expected the lens to be calibrated for optimum focus at f/1.4 since this was what I have read on Sean Reid's test and elsewhere. I'll retest again when I have some time, but nonetheless, I like this lens as an alternative to the 35Lux for the price and closer focus distance, albeit the CV 35/1.4 has quite noticeable distortion. How was the performance of your 35Lux, did it have significant focus shift?



i never really explored the focus shift issue with the 35 lux pre-asph since i was using it on a liveview camera, i'd expect it must have a fair bit though given the amount of spherical aberration in has. the 1m mfd might minimize the effect of the focus shift to some extent too.

i posted some examples and crops of it's performance on the leica vs zeiss thread here:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1190503/0#11353473
here:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1190503/2#11355984
here:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1190503/2#11356120
and here:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1190503/4#11368028
here's a real world sample that i'm pretty sure is wide open too:



and stopped down a ways:





May 23, 2013 at 08:27 PM
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p.651 #12 · p.651 #12 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Thanks for the samples and links! The 35Lux pre ASPH looks really good both wide and stopped down in your samples. I'll keep an eye out for this lens and I agree if the price of a 35CronV1 is where it is at the moment, I rather have the 35Lux pre ASPH.

Michael, nice shot! The 0.95 seems too perfect for me, and I could probably live with a 50Lux ASPH for a similar look past f/1.4. The 50/1.0 is somewhat different but I am struggling with sharpness wide open, it really is quite soft at MFD. Need more practice.

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May 23, 2013 at 10:06 PM
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p.651 #13 · p.651 #13 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Another fun test, this time with 50Lux pre-ASPH E46 (0.7MFD). Shot at 1m distance as I was comparing it to the Nocti f/1.0

Tripod, DNG out of camera

@f/1.4






@f/2






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Focus test @1m with 1:1 crop






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@f/2.8






@f/4






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@f/8







May 24, 2013 at 02:58 AM
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p.651 #14 · p.651 #14 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Joe, congratulations for the Noctilux. Indeed it looks soft wide open, but I think it's kind of expected and the effect is actually quite pleasing. The Summilux however, even pre-asph, is superb and worth every penny

Zhangyue, Thanks for the advice about the 21. Beautiful shot of the wife and son.



May 24, 2013 at 08:42 AM
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p.651 #15 · p.651 #15 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread



M9 + Planar 2/50 by edward karaa, on Flickr



May 24, 2013 at 08:48 AM
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p.651 #16 · p.651 #16 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Thanks Edward! The Nocti 1.0 seems soft wide open especially at closer distances. It supposingly sharpens up at further distances and I have confirmed this with other users over at LUF and with CharlesK. It also sharpens up stopped down past f/1.4. I'll share some fun test shots later with a comparison to the 50 pre-ASPH at f/1.4. Don't want to clog up bandwidth on this page

I like your bench composition above with the two persons sitting "virtually" inside. Cool! Really like the contrast on the ZM50P. Have you decided on your lens lineup or had a chance to try the CV 21/1.8?



May 24, 2013 at 10:58 AM
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p.651 #17 · p.651 #17 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Thank you very much Joe! Certainly a fun comparison between the lux and the nocti would be very interesting. Looking forward to see it. As for my lens line up, I decided to keep the 25 for now, as I feel it is plenty wide for my shooting style, and the results have been so far very satisfying. I will eventually replace the 85 with a 90 cron or a ZM if the promised wide aperture Zeiss turns out to be a tele lens.


May 24, 2013 at 11:10 AM
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p.651 #18 · p.651 #18 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Nikkor 5cm f/1.4 SC wide open at 16" close focus








May 24, 2013 at 05:00 PM
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p.651 #19 · p.651 #19 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Very sexy! Look at that 3D from the Nikkor


May 24, 2013 at 05:13 PM
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edwardkaraa wrote:
As for my lens line up, I decided to keep the 25 for now, as I feel it is plenty wide for my shooting style, and the results have been so far very satisfying. I will eventually replace the 85 with a 90 cron or a ZM if the promised wide aperture Zeiss turns out to be a tele lens.

Great choice which 90cron?
and another nice shot with lovely color.

Joe, you sick sicker than me. I have 7 50mm lens peak include SLR ones. you? I am waiting for the ultimate shoot out.
50mmlux f1.4 looks great at f1.4. that is expected from MTF. I know I will like it, the problem is fund.




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