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p.648 #1 · p.648 #1 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Goran, fantastic color set. No. 1 and 2 are just exquisite. The 1st b/w shot is also otherworldly.

Allen, very strong set but 2 and 3 are my favorites.

Joe, Dubai shot is ethereal. Nice shots with the 35/1.4, it has a classic look that lends itself to b/w.

Ron, love the tree set, especially 3 and 4.

Zhangyue, very nice color and PP. No. 2 has something special, looks like an old nostalgic photograph.




May 16, 2013 at 05:37 AM
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p.648 #2 · p.648 #2 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Goran, those are both beautiful!
Joe, wow, looks great. There must be something going on with the MM and 'vintage' lenses.... You should also try the 40/1.4. It has some serious technical faults, like massive field curvature, and I think focus shift, but I still thing it's great. I love its somewhat busy background rendering, and I see from your 35/1.4 shots above that it too is a bit busy.
Michael, great feeling from those, particularly the one of your son. As for the 28 Cron - no way do I think it's subpar to Leica's other current offerings. Rather, I think it's kind of an oddball in the lineup in terms of rendering characteristics that, at least to me, doesn't really match any other Leica M glass I've used. I think it's primarily the really rich colors, higher contrast and vignetting that never seems to go away, even stopped down a fair ways. Over the past week I used it a lot for a number of event jobs and was repeatedly impressed by how sharp it was centrally wide open. And it's pretty well behaved as things move off center too. No really weird sharpness dips - just a nice gradual drop towards the edges (wide open), with I think a hint of field curvature. If I have a complaint, it's the green corner color shift I often see in both bottom corners when photographing anything fairly netural. It also has a more magenta WB tint compared to my other Leica glass. The 90 Summarit is maybe the closest in this regard, whereas the 21 SEM, 21 Lux and 50 Lux ASPH all seem about the same.

I agree that I like the 'ninja star' effect with the 50 Lux in the heavily cropped image I posted above...

Some more 'dead wood' along the lake:

50 Lux ASPH:























May 16, 2013 at 07:25 AM
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p.648 #3 · p.648 #3 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Edward, Joe, Ron, thanks for comments and feedback about 28cron. That is a great info, I will hunt for 28cron from now on given now it is buyer market

Ron, love the cross frame sharpness of above 50lux shots. what aperture you think you can get decent level sharpness on those FC dip zone? I did some comparison myself and find my 50cron Rigid can outperform 50lux at those zone at f5.6.

Goran, I really like the composition and mood of 2nd one. excellent!

Joe, Phil, I forget answer about 35cron. The goggled version indeed cheaper, however I myself prefer it bringing up 50mm frame line as aid of compose out side of frame. It add nostalgia feeling to modern M. I would snap one if price right. As for performance, as mentioned several time in this thread, I am very satisfied with its slow down performance. at f5.6, it is very sharp only extreme corner is slightly behind and until f8 it is reach decent level. At f2, it is quite sharp and sharp zone extended most of frame with smooth decay. From the MTF, It is still the best slow down performance 35cron, even comparable to ASPH. Better all the version behind it. Again, I want bring out KR, as he is the only one have decent/informative review for this lens and spot on. and the information is free. He obviously know what he is talking about. Can't understand harsh forum comments about him. Side topic.

However, I am just passing the info and personal experience as I have found lens choice is very personal and only you know how would you like it

35cron WO














90 Elmarit




















May 16, 2013 at 05:18 PM
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p.648 #4 · p.648 #4 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Nice Ron!

Some old wood from me to:






35 cron ASPH

And some living wood:






50 cron






50 cron






50 cron

And luckly some buildings






28 cron






28 cron

Happy shooting,



May 16, 2013 at 05:21 PM
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p.648 #5 · p.648 #5 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Great work Robert!

I was able to recently borrow the Canon 50/1.4 LTM and below is a quick & dirty hand held comparison of it at near minimum focusing distance (1m) vs. the Nikkor 5cm f/1.4 and the 5cm f/1.5 Summarit. Images are presented in that order (Canon, Nikon, Leitz) and shot on the M9.

For the first group, the exact same LR processing settings were used for all three, for which I selected the Nikkor as the 'middle ground,' including a very slight curve tweak.

















and this is the Summarit with contrast, curves, clarity and slight WB adjustment to get it looking a bit more like the other two:







As you'll note, the Canon has considerably cooler WB.
For these below, I've adjust the WB to better match all three. Again, the Summarit is presented with an 'as shot' version, and one that has been tweaked to be closer to the other two:











































I haven't had a lot of time to compare the lenses more closely, but offhand, the Canon seems to be the most 'normal' of the three, being fairly well corrected even from wide open at near and far distances. While it's not a 50 Lux ASPH, it's pretty good wide open, with a nice amount of imperfections to add some character, but not super glowy like the Nikkor (which really surprisingly snaps up in contrast and loses much of the glow at f/2). My Summarit is always pretty low in contrast, but the color quality is still great.

In some respects the Canon doesn't seem 'weird' enough to be an oddball vintage lens, but I guess it depends on what you want. It should be great on the MM though and still a solid performer in color.



May 16, 2013 at 07:49 PM
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p.648 #6 · p.648 #6 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Thanks all for the comments!

Goran, very nice B&W of the horses!

Ron, lots of texture to those wood and pebbles. and wow! nice vintage test! Thanks for sharing! The Canon 50 1.4 LTM lives up to its reputation. I prefer the gentler rendering on this over the Nikon. Colors of the Summarit look good but very low in contrast.

Michael, another excellent set. 90 Elmarit looks smooth and colors are really nice . Thanks for the info on the 35CronV1. I might pick up the googled version to try out. I agree, the only real way to find out is to try out those lenses myself.

Robert, 2nd shot with the 35Cron is excellent.

rscheffler wrote:
There must be something going on with the MM and 'vintage' lenses.... You should also try the 40/1.4. It has some serious technical faults, like massive field curvature, and I think focus shift, but I still thing it's great. I love its somewhat busy background rendering, and I see from your 35/1.4 shots above that it too is a bit busy.

I think with the Monochrom, you actually see more of the character of each of these vintage lenses without being hampered by the bayer array filter on the sensor or color aberrations of the lenses? I'm taking a more conservative route with these vintage lenses, probably trying out some of the newer CV lenses but with the older optical design, this way I can hopefully avoid too many issues of these older lenses with haze, fungus, etc. But at the same time, its nice to try out some of these 40-50 year old lenses and feel nostalgic I'll keep an eye out for the 40/1.4 thanks.

With the CV 35/ 1.4, I wanted to get a sense of a lens that would hopefully have a look similar to the 35Lux pre-ASPH wide open and also one I was hoping to pair with the CV 50 1.1. The CV35 1.4 is not sharp wide open but seems usable. I had to add sharpening in post to make them look decent but the worse part is probably caffeinated bokeh on many shots.


A few more with the CV 35/1.4 SC @ f/1.4























May 16, 2013 at 08:38 PM
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p.648 #7 · p.648 #7 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Thanks for the comparison Ron! I truly love the rendering and unique character of these older lenses. I find each one can certain strengths depending on the subject and shooting conditions. I *think* I have a preference for the more edgy, defined bokeh on the Nikkor compared to the other two. You can really see it in the upper left green foliage of the second picture. On the other hand, the Canon seems to have a more "neutral" output as far as vintage lenses are concerned. In other words, I like them both! The colors of the Summarit look nice as well. It would also be neat to see a B&W image with these lenses... This just goes to confirm my opinion that one cannot have too many 50s!


May 16, 2013 at 08:53 PM
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p.648 #8 · p.648 #8 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Ill take the Nikkor

Ive seen a handful of pictures in my life that really, really spoke to me in terms of lens rendering alone; the Nikkor owns one of those.

from what Ive read, which confirms what Ive seen, Canon has tended to have a leg up on Nikon in terms of sharpness historically. this is at least true as far as some important historical 50mm lenses go; rf 50/1.4, 50/3.5 macro, 55/1.2, etc. still, the RF Nikkors were distinctly different in style from what Canon was doing and even what they did later with the F series, and their RF lenses, the very storied 50/1.4 included, are top tier lenses in a world with many good lenses but few great ones.



May 16, 2013 at 10:19 PM
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p.648 #9 · p.648 #9 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


This thread is sick. Could you guys please put up a duff shot once in a while. Please?



May 16, 2013 at 10:37 PM
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p.648 #10 · p.648 #10 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Yep. Not bad for a bunch of rich dentists, eh?


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p.648 #11 · p.648 #11 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Thanks guys!

Joe, if you don't like the CV35/1.4's nervous bokeh, you might not like the 40 either... but that's what I like about the 40. BTW, I think every family I know with young boys is seriously invested in Thomas the Train toys - I'm sure they make a nice profit!

I need to test the 5cm f/1.4 Nikkor more. I got it a while ago and have used it sporadically, mostly wide open. I got a bit of a surprise (or reminder) of just how much its character changes stopped down to f/2 when the sun came out and f/1.4 was blowing out the highlights. It's a split personality lens.

Here's f/1.4 vs. f/2 and also a crop showing the contrast change. The glow disappears and there's a substantial gain in global macro contrast - a very bold look that reminds me of the Nikkor 10.5cm f/2.5. Not super sharpness, but high contrast implying coarse sharpness.


















FWIW, processing parameters for each were identical except for exposure adjustment, for which I tried to match highlight density and let the mid tones and shadows shift accordingly.



May 17, 2013 at 03:00 AM
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p.648 #12 · p.648 #12 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Ron, interesting character with the Nikkor 50. Nice and now you stirred my interest in this lens! Thanks for sharing. As for those wooden train sets, I agree, they do have a good second hand value. How was the weight & balance of the Canon 50 1.4 compared to the Nikkor on the M9?

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One from my archives. 50CronV3. Not really "vintage" and I guess still relatively "young" at 40+ years for a M mount lens?








May 17, 2013 at 04:17 AM
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p.648 #13 · p.648 #13 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Wow - what a huge difference between the two! This pretty well mirrors my experience with this lens as well. Here are a few from camping last weekend. Taken with NEX-5N (exuse me for the non-Leica body) and the Nikkor 5.0 f/1.4 ltm WO. I really enjoy using this lens and it works fairly well on APS-C as well.
























May 17, 2013 at 04:20 AM
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p.648 #14 · p.648 #14 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


wow, really nice Gary! The character shows even on an APS-C sensor. Love the rendering of this lens, especially on #2.


May 17, 2013 at 04:43 AM
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p.648 #15 · p.648 #15 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


What I find amazing among Leica M users is that we have too much quality in our lenses, so we also look for "inferior" glass with "character"


May 17, 2013 at 05:14 AM
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p.648 #16 · p.648 #16 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Edward,

a little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.

even the sharpness freaks amongst us (there is probably no worse offender than myself) like a little imperfection from time to time.



May 17, 2013 at 05:25 AM
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p.648 #17 · p.648 #17 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


redisburning wrote:
Edward,

a little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.

even the sharpness freaks amongst us (there is probably no worse offender than myself) like a little imperfection from time to time.


Spoken like a true wise man, red!



May 17, 2013 at 05:29 AM
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p.648 #18 · p.648 #18 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Gary, those look great! #3 is what I really like about the Nikkor's background rendering.
Joe - The Canon is more modern looking in its design and is a uniform cylindrical size that is a touch on the fat side for an M/LTM 50mm lens. The Nikkor appears to be made as slim as possible. That said, I think the focusing ring on the Canon is easier to grip/use. One benefit of the Nikkor is that it will focus considerably closer than 1m, though not RF coupled, so is an added bonus for use on a CSC or M240 with live view.

BTW, I kind of wish the Huffster wouldn't publish vintage lens reviews. It probably inflates prices unnecessarily. (probably also these threads)



May 17, 2013 at 05:41 AM
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p.648 #19 · p.648 #19 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Ron, thanks for the info. I agree, too much publicity on these vintage lenses is not good for some of us, but I guess those af RFF have been enjoying these lenses for a long time. Probably the popularity of the M9 and CSCs made these lenses popular again?

Edward, I agree, you need to experience shooting with "character" glass on the Leica M in order to fully appreciate the other sharper lenses



May 17, 2013 at 05:49 AM
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p.648 #20 · p.648 #20 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


joe88 wrote:
Edward, I agree, you need to experience shooting with "character" glass on the Leica M in order to fully appreciate the other sharper lenses


Hehe, I wish, but I'm still in my pixel peeping stage. Hopefully when I grow up from this stage, I will be able to appreciate the nuances in the drawing of vintage lenses.



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