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p.627 #1 · p.627 #1 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Sebboh and Ron - thanks for comments re Flickr. I actually have a Flickr Pro account, but generally found it quicker just to upload onto here directly. re FM filesize, I have been limiting 99% to the 900 pixel width limit that generally seems to be the norm on posts.

Ron - great stuff as usual. I liked the grungy side of Goderich
Ryan - how on earth do you capture so many sharp shots of your energetic little boy? Michael's two seem more 'docile'!

Now a question: those lucky people who have bought the M240 - do you see much more from it than you were getting with your M9 / 9-P?
A Steven Huff review was emphatic in extolling the M240 performance gains in colour richness/ balance, dynamic range and of course high ISO. I must say however that in some of his comparison shots I found it very hard to see some of the claims. (was browsing at lunchtime at work, so wasn't able to do a detailed appraisal).



Apr 04, 2013 at 12:00 PM
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p.627 #2 · p.627 #2 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Further to the recent discussion regarding DR and processing of M240 files, user "elmars" on LUF provided the following information directly quoted from Erwin Puts:

"the theoretical dynamic range is, as I remark, grossly overvalue and in fact useless. The useful exposure range is also determined by the software in the camera. The problem is this: the software must determine what the minimum charge is of the voltage of the individual pixel to set a black level and the same goes for the white level. The exiftool analysis shows that the M9(-P) and the M both use a 14 bit depth dynamic range, that theoretically runs from 0 to 16383. The M9-P sets the black point to 44 and the saturation point to 16383. The high black point (or noise-floor) reduces the noise in dark areas, but the saturation point (max white) allows for no over-exposure. The M has values of 0 and 15000. The low black point is possible because the noise is lower and the lower saturation point allows more room for over-exposure.
In other words: with standard exposure the M fares better than the M9 because it has more over exposure latitude. You can get the same result when setting the exposure compensation of the M9 to -2/3.
I am not sure if the M has a larger dynamic range than the M9 (the Monochrom is even better and this one uses the CCD sensor too)."



http://www.imx.nl/photo/leica/leica-m-part-2-comparison.html



Apr 04, 2013 at 05:39 PM
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p.627 #3 · p.627 #3 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Gary, That is interesting information about M9 and M240 sensor. I think no matter how many bit ADC used, or how you allocated ADC resolution in this case, the sensor was the bottle neck of the system if not capable to capture the 14 bit Dynamic range.

I feel suspicious about M9ís 44-16383 number as it indicates M9 only has less than 9 bit DR to work with, which sounds very low even it is a dated sensor.

I have no doubt M240 will have better DR than M9.

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Apr 04, 2013 at 09:34 PM
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p.627 #4 · p.627 #4 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Nice detail in that first pic Michael! Do you do your own scanning?


Apr 04, 2013 at 11:27 PM
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p.627 #5 · p.627 #5 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Gary Clennan wrote:
Nice detail in that first pic Michael! Do you do your own scanning?

It was a low resolution scan from local lab about 1800x1200. But I guess it is enough for 1024 web presentation.



Apr 05, 2013 at 04:57 AM
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p.627 #6 · p.627 #6 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


According to theSuede here, The Sony RX-1 is really only about 10.8 bits. Apparently the difference between that and 14 bits is insignificant, visually.

Somewhere else recently, I read, I think again from theSuede, that 10 bits seems to be a kind of 'tipping' point.

Ryan - great set and the first one in particular is excellent! Who says you must have AF to photograph active kids?
Michael - like the last one.

Did an event at the local university and got to hang out in the faculty club afterwards. Unfortunately they closed at 8pm and I couldn't wait longer for the outside exposure value to drop more to better match that of the interior. I had to dig the foreground out of the shadows instead.

M9 & 50 Lux ASPH:












28 Cron:







A few shots from the event... nothing fancy or special, other than I was once again really impressed by the 21 SEM. Images have a great sharpness and roundness at the same time. If I was shooting with my Canon 16-35 I'd be bothered by how soft it gets towards the edges. No such concern with the SEM. It just looks natural. It's also reasonably flare resistant with strong light sources in the frame.

For example, here's the venue and set-up (21 Lux wide open):







This is a difficult venue to light. Long, narrow, non-neutral color scheme (not ideal for bouncing light off walls/ceiling), few good spots for light stands without also being tripping hazards, and very few power outlets. I set up a couple Elinchrom Quadra packs and heads in 86" Paul Buff PLM soft silver umbrellas. This gave a rather tight ~30 degree light spread, but worked well here to shoot the light down the hall. On 13' light stands, this tight beam also served to shoot much of the light over and just feathering enough on those positioned nearby so that near-to-far light falloff was only around 1.5 stops, or so. Because I wasn't just after the podium shot and needed to get a lot of candids, I set up a third light at the opposite end in a 64" soft silver PLM for cross lighting to allow me more options when not shooting with the main lights. But it was also inevitable the lights would get in some of the shots. At its peak, the event was well attended, which meant lots of fairly tight clusters of people, with tables and chairs in the way, which made the 21 pretty invaluable...

Here's shooting down the hall with the light from the main lights and the third light in the background. The SEM handled the strong backlighting really nicely...







And just a few more examples with the SEM:

















Looking at the 21 Lux shot, available light would have been an option at times, and I did in fact shoot some with the Canon and 70-200 for tight shots, but the light quality and intensity was quite variable and I really prefer shooting with strobes for the much better color quality and greater consistency in post (which saves some time too).

Anyway, kind of boring stuff - guys in suits - but at the same time was a fun event with interesting people (not uncommon in a university environment). It pays the bills and is an excuse to use the M9 some more.



Apr 05, 2013 at 07:50 AM
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p.627 #7 · p.627 #7 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Zhangyue, very nice b/w work.

Ron, very interesting to read about your lighting technique. Love the faculty club portraits. Lighting and colors are fabulous. The event shots are very nicely executed. you added art to documentary. Also I'm still amazed at your ability to frame the 21 without viewfinder



Apr 05, 2013 at 08:25 AM
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p.627 #8 · p.627 #8 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Weather hasn't been so good in Hong Kong, hopefully it improves for my last few days here.

Something I never thought I would do, use a flash in the street.

M9, 35 cron, and SF24D....gonna try out the the M6 with the 21 voigtlander and flash tonight.


Which Way by JustinZ850, on Flickr


On the Head by JustinZ850, on Flickr



Apr 05, 2013 at 09:39 AM
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p.627 #9 · p.627 #9 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


rscheffler wrote:
Anyway, kind of boring stuff - guys in suits - but at the same time was a fun event with interesting people (not uncommon in a university environment). It pays the bills and is an excuse to use the M9 some more.


Not at all, Ron, that is awesome post. the results are very professional. I enjoy the photos very much. Lighting setup is field I know nothing, I am sure I will revisit your thread to pay more attention to your description again.

I am surprised to hear that about less than 11 bit dynamic range with Sony sensor. I get the impression from DXO rating that DR is more than that. I have good understanding about fundamental of this SNR, DR thing since a lot of them are related to my field but I think there must be fundamental difference of definition between sensor DR and DXO's capture photo DR, I don't know.

Two random 50lux, M9















Apr 05, 2013 at 05:36 PM
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p.627 #10 · p.627 #10 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Can't remember if it was the 35 or the 50


M9 Biogon 35 ZM by edward karaa, on Flickr


M9 Biogon 35 ZM by edward karaa, on Flickr


M9 Biogon 35 ZM by edward karaa, on Flickr



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p.627 #11 · p.627 #11 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


One more:


L1003128 by edward karaa, on Flickr



Apr 05, 2013 at 07:20 PM
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p.627 #12 · p.627 #12 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread



L1003160 by edward karaa, on Flickr


L1003129 by edward karaa, on Flickr



Apr 05, 2013 at 07:41 PM
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p.627 #13 · p.627 #13 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Last one for tonight


M9 Biogon 35 ZM by edward karaa, on Flickr



Apr 05, 2013 at 07:52 PM
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p.627 #14 · p.627 #14 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Thanks Edward! Very nice series of images. Again, the last one in particular looks like it was shot on transparency film!

The great thing about the 21 is I can crop it to taste. Framing is not usually that critical for this kind of work. I think the ones I posted here were all uncropped, but in the final edit, there were many images where I cropped the 21 to probably closer to 28 and the 28 to 35, and the 50 to 75... At least for this kind of work, where the client is not expecting 20" print resolution, 18MP offers a good file size to support such cropping. I don't really miss not having the zooms I would otherwise have used on my DSLR prior to the M9.

I also had to do an impromptu group photo with about 30 people during this event... I shot it with the 21 SEM. The final crop is probably closer to about 24mm, but what I want to mention is with the lighting I had set up, the exposure on the M9 was f/4.5 @ ISO 640 and the shot was sharp across the frame. Granted, I could have shot it on the DSLR at ISO 1600 and got closer to f/8, but even at f/8, there would have been noticeable sharpness falloff towards the edges. In the past I always felt the 16-35 was a pretty significant compromise for such a shot, but now I can confidently do such a shot at a moderate aperture value and not need to worry about across frame sharpness. While that's not to say other WA primes for DLSRs couldn't also do this, such as perhaps the ZE/ZF 21/2.8... for me at least, it's great to have this fabulous sharpness in such a compact package.

rscheffler wrote:
Anyway, kind of boring stuff - guys in suits - but at the same time was a fun event with interesting people (not uncommon in a university environment). It pays the bills and is an excuse to use the M9 some more.

zhangyue wrote:
Not at all, Ron, that is awesome post. the results are very professional. I enjoy the photos very much. Lighting setup is field I know nothing, I am sure I will revisit your thread to pay more attention to your description again.

I am surprised to hear that about less than 11 bit dynamic range with Sony sensor. I get the impression from DXO rating that DR is more than that. I have good understanding about fundamental of this SNR, DR thing since a lot of them are related to my field but I think there must be fundamental difference
...Show more

Well, I also don't know! I can only assume theSuede is correct since he seems to have a reputable following here... But then I've also read this blog post by Jim Kasson, who concludes the RX1 is 13 bit... So who to believe?

My impression is it's not as important as many make it out to be. Is it visually noticeable? Probably not. I can recall a long-running discussion on the Canon board about whether or not 14 bits was a noticeable improvement over 12. There are probably many other factors in the imaging chain that have a greater influence over final image quality.

Having used the RX1 for about a week and a few hundred images, its image quality sure seemed impressive to me.

Having played around with M files from others, my gut feeling is the M sits somewhere between the RX1 and the M9 in terms of file malleability. Probably closer to the RX1. But what I've also found, when examining M9 and M files shot side by side, is it's pretty easy to match the two quite closely.

Earlier in the day last week on Good Friday - Grand Bend at Lake Huron:

21 SEM:






M9 vs. Google Nexus 4 (FWIW, the Nexus's camera flares badly when shot into the sun like this):











28 Cron:






90 Summarit:






















Apr 05, 2013 at 08:09 PM
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p.627 #15 · p.627 #15 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Nice use of light and the M9 in those corporate event shots.

Ed great job with the color in those last two.



Apr 05, 2013 at 08:43 PM
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p.627 #16 · p.627 #16 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Nice set Ron and Ed! Ron - you really make that 21SEM sing. Such a great performing lens..


Apr 05, 2013 at 09:11 PM
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p.627 #17 · p.627 #17 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Been away, sorry to hear about your loss edward. Cathing up on the thread, love using the new like button.


Apr 05, 2013 at 09:24 PM
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p.627 #18 · p.627 #18 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


After what seems like an endless winter, we finally got some sun here in Stockholm these past days, so I took the camera out for a spin

































Apr 05, 2013 at 10:02 PM
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p.627 #19 · p.627 #19 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


#2 and #4 are great! Nice to see you back!


Apr 05, 2013 at 10:30 PM
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p.627 #20 · p.627 #20 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Thanks Carsten, hopefully the coming of better weather will motivate me to go out and shoot more. Previous winters I found my motivation mostly by buying new gear


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