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p.504 #1 · p.504 #1 · Leica M/X/T Picture Thread


I just took my two new M lenses for a spin tonight. Sorry, the camera is not an M (yet),
but I'm excited I wanted to post something here
It's hard to show what those lenses can do in one random shooting, but I'm really
blown away. My 90 Cron is absolutely flawless, all those examples are wide open (!).
Last two are from the 28 Cron. Nice colors
I'm expecting my 3rd lens very soon - the SE 21. Later the 50 Lux...
Next it's up to Leica to introduce a great camera to work with that amazing glass.








































Apr 19, 2012 at 04:51 AM
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p.504 #2 · p.504 #2 · Leica M/X/T Picture Thread


Snowboarder, i'm going to suggest that you buy a used M9 and start with it. I am just feeling my way around this camera... It can be incredibly frustrating and rewarding at the same time. I cant describe what its like to shoot with, because it is completely different from even the NEX camera's. My ability to focus with it improves substantially with each outing, and I get more and more keepers. But some shots do take multiple exposures to get right. Shooting wide angles without a viewfinder is challenging, but I am getting the hang of it. The image quality (when you get it right) is outstanding, and you get that full frame goodness that I have missed on everything else.

When the M10 comes out in September, I will look at it and probably acquire one. My dealer suggested that the M9 is the last ccd cam and worth keeping as a backup.

I will keep my Sony and I have a battery of lenses for that. Very shortly, I will sell the last of my Canon glass. The freedom of light weight and absolutely the highest quality is intoxicating and oh so expensive

Andrew



Apr 19, 2012 at 11:22 AM
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p.504 #3 · p.504 #3 · Leica M/X/T Picture Thread


Thanks Joakim, Ron, Michael, Kelly

Joakim - nice bicycle set . That is actually one thing we have a ton of in town here, is bicyclists. I really like your 2nd shot. I like the narrow dof with the biker in focus. Your last shot on the far right looks like the horse statue is perfectly sitting on top of the bus

Ron - a couple of excellent sets! I love your use of shadows/light/textures. I wish I had an eye for that detail. Really like the entire first set on this page, but the first one really stands out. Also, the first shot from the 'art crawl' is great. The man walking by adds a totally different dimension to that photo

Michael - yes, leaving for now, keeping a few lenses and waiting for a camera at a later date. I am buying a D800 for now. Most of my shots are my kids, and the 75 Lux is just too difficult for these guys constantly moving around. I think Gary said, but the Nikkor 105 f/2.5 they made in LTM and S (Nikon rangefinder) mount. I had the LTM. By the way, like the bench set . The first one is my favorite

Andrew - nice set from your outing with Ron . The rendering on #3 I love, the 35 Lux. I like your column shots as well...looks familiar from some of Ron's old shots

Andrew - welcome to the thread . It took you a while to make it over here. Really like the last two. I have a feeling you will be hooked sooner than later

from around town with the 75 Lux...can't say there is a real theme here
































Apr 19, 2012 at 12:02 PM
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p.504 #4 · p.504 #4 · Leica M/X/T Picture Thread


Thanks guys, I just don't want to buy an M9. I would have a very hard time
convincing myself to like this camera. And I'm not talking the concept of it,
but just how not up-to-date it feels.
Imagine using your 20 years old 386 to process photos, yes the results can be great,
but I would want to connect it to my bike for some acceleration...
I really hope I'll be able to buy the new, modern M10 this year.
I can wait that long. At least I will have all my glass ready



Apr 19, 2012 at 02:38 PM
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p.504 #5 · p.504 #5 · Leica M/X/T Picture Thread


You sure you want to sell the 75 lux Ryan?? Great colors.


Apr 19, 2012 at 02:44 PM
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p.504 #6 · p.504 #6 · Leica M/X/T Picture Thread


Thanks Gary, surely someone wants this lens, right





more of those pics later though



Apr 19, 2012 at 03:14 PM
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p.504 #7 · p.504 #7 · Leica M/X/T Picture Thread


Like that last one Ryan. Can anyone comment on the performance of the 28 cron v.s. the 35 cron (latest versions)? That 28 cron looks to be a great lens and I am wondering how the 35 compares.


Apr 19, 2012 at 03:23 PM
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p.504 #8 · p.504 #8 · Leica M/X/T Picture Thread


Gary - I have used both. I used the 35 Cron ASPH only on the M8 though and the 28 on the M9. The best way to distinguish the two is the 35 seems far more clinical. The 28 Cron has a very smooth rendering where the 35 Cron ASPH seems to be more focused on sharpness. The 28 Cron is extremely sharp, but I always felt the 35 files seemed more 'crisp'. Both lenses are great. As you ofter hear....buy the length you enjoy more. You seriously can't go wrong with either. If you want pics from both I can provide......plenty


Apr 19, 2012 at 03:56 PM
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p.504 #9 · p.504 #9 · Leica M/X/T Picture Thread


Gary Clennan wrote:
Like that last one Ryan. Can anyone comment on the performance of the 28 cron v.s. the 35 cron (latest versions)? That 28 cron looks to be a great lens and I am wondering how the 35 compares.



Gary, 28 Cron is way better. Sharpness, saturation, very unique rendering.
35 Cron has a look, but it's not great for landscape comparing to Zeiss 35 f2...
The only thing close to 28 Cron rendering is Leica R 28 ver2...
One of the most unique lenses available IMO.



Apr 19, 2012 at 03:58 PM
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p.504 #10 · p.504 #10 · Leica M/X/T Picture Thread


rsolti13 wrote:
the 35 seems far more clinical.



Really? If you call 35 Cron clinical, what would you say about Lux 35?



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p.504 #11 · p.504 #11 · Leica M/X/T Picture Thread


rsolti13 wrote:
Gary - I have used both. I used the 35 Cron ASPH only on the M8 though and the 28 on the M9. The best way to distinguish the two is the 35 seems far more clinical. The 28 Cron has a very smooth rendering where the 35 Cron ASPH seems to be more focused on sharpness. The 28 Cron is extremely sharp, but I always felt the 35 files seemed more 'crisp'. Both lenses are great. As you ofter hear....buy the length you enjoy more. You seriously can't go wrong with either. If you want pics from both I
...Show more

Thank you for the information Ryan. It would be great if you could post (or email) two or three pics with the 35 cron. Basically, I would like a lens with characteristics of the 28 cron in a 35mm FL. In fact, I am perfectly happy with my 28 Elmarit-ASPH and the way it renders. A 35 Elmarit was never produced - correct?



Apr 19, 2012 at 04:18 PM
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p.504 #12 · p.504 #12 · Leica M/X/T Picture Thread


snowboarder wrote:
Really? If you call 35 Cron clinical, what would you say about Lux 35?


In my opinion the 35 Lux is far from clinical. Sure, it is sharp dead center but I have never used a lens that goes from sharp to blur so...dare I say.....elegantly . Take a look at the MTF charts, huge wave in it where the edges are actually far sharper than the mid zone. The 35 Cron ASPH is similar, but nowhere near the extent of the 35 Lux. Not to mention, the bokeh on the 35 Lux and 28 Cron is far more pleasing to my eyes than the 35 Cron

First shots with the 35 Lux

































35 Cron ASPH

















































several of them above were wide open, but look at the sharpness in this one at f/2







And Gary, for what its worth, I honestly (true - 100% honest) don't think I ever had one single 35 Cron ASPH shot wide open that the focus point was missed. I don't know why, but never focused a lens as good as the 35 Cron ASPH. The 35 Nokton I also nail 90+% of the time.



Apr 19, 2012 at 05:15 PM
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p.504 #13 · p.504 #13 · Leica M/X/T Picture Thread


Thanks everyone for the comments!

Andrew (snowboarder), great to see you here. I've followed you around a number of other image threads and look forward to what you achieve with Leica gear.

Ryan, very nice with the 75 Lux... yes, extremely tempting at a very reasonable price too, but at least for me, I feel 50-90 is where I want to be, and am still undecided about the 90 Cron AA. Not about image quality, but size and price for how much I will use it. Great to see those samples from the 35s again!

I currently find myself intrigued with 'vintage' lens options. Your Nikkor 10.5cm, along with what Gary and Dan have posted is an example. I'd love to see something from the Nikkor 8.5cm f/2... then there are the various 50s, and the Canon LTMs...

In the meantime I picked up a 1952 vintage 5cm f/1.5 Summarit. Looks to be in decent condition, though has certainly been CLA'd at least once. Not sure they put it back together perfectly because at farther distances the left side is sharper than the right side... but I bought it mostly for close range work at wide open or near wide open. I think the appeal is in its imperfections and busier background blur character.

Anyway, here are some samples from trying to get a feel for it (on the M9):










































I need to find a hood for it because it flares extremely easily. And wide open at far distances it's not great (again, could be my copy is decentered), but I like the feel from it. Also was somewhat surprised at how rich the colors are given how old the lens is. I haven't really done anything differently in LR compared to my modern lenses on the M9, though with some I raised the black point somewhat more.



Apr 19, 2012 at 07:22 PM
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p.504 #14 · p.504 #14 · Leica M/X/T Picture Thread


Ron, thanks for introduction of Hamilton, very beautiful city I can see. As for LR tip. I realize shadow recovery is helpful for color but also reducing contrast I will play those setting more.

Your set on city abstract is very nice. I especially like #1 and #4. On your set of night street shots, my favorites are #1 and last. I agree Summarit has very special rendering character. But in your last picture, It seems too soft for my taste.

Andrew, A beautiful set. Very good color and compose on all of them. I really enjoy those 28mm shots. I have to agree this is a superb lens. Gosh, it is so expensive for a ‘28MM’ and ‘F2’… But looks like it deserves hyper based on images showing here.

Andrew(SD): Look forward to see more of your works here. I really like the last two shots, very beautiful. If rumor is true that only B&W leica, what will you do ?

To me, the flaws of M9 are slow processor, Crap LCD(but enough to check histogram), unclear Viewfinder frame line and No LV (not a big deal for me as I almost never use it). I guess for you, only the last relevant to prevent you get your results from tool POV. But to get full frame to use those outstanding lens designed for compensate them all IMO Controls like ISO, WB, Shutter, and aperture are the best of all cameras I used, even better than D700 in this regards. I think those should more relevant to you. Frame is not accurate, but you get thinking out of box, you know what is going on outside of the frame, thus you can choose how you like to compose or trap your target get into your frame etc, so it is not bad or good thing, just different.

I agree it feel dated on electronics, but are those prevent you take beautiful picture? Try it for a while to see if you love it or not

Rayn, your 75lux shots are beautiful. Those pics certainly will help your lucky buyer making decision. I really like the one: door frame with green around. Did you receive your D800 already? I did preorder a D800E, but I am not sure I still want it anymore

Here is a picture 50 Summicron Rigid WO









Apr 19, 2012 at 10:14 PM
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The M9 might be dated, in some ways, but it's certainly capable of exceeding most photographers abilities. I've owned, and used (and still own and use, for some work) most of the pro DSLRs and high end lenses. But few of them really felt like an extension of my vision like the M's do. Not to wax overly poetic about a tool (as I know Leica owners love to do ) but they really are something special. If you're just a pixel peeper, they're probably not your camera (unless you shoot exclusively at ISO 160, on 'Cron ASPH lenses ... doesn't get any better until you jump up a format.)

Quick shot from wandering back from dessert the other night.

M9, CV 35/1.4 @ f/2. Processed with ASE4.






Apr 19, 2012 at 10:27 PM
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rsolti13 wrote:
In my opinion the 35 Lux is far from clinical. Sure, it is sharp dead center but I have never used a lens that goes from sharp to blur so...dare I say.....elegantly . Take a look at the MTF charts, huge wave in it where the edges are actually far sharper than the mid zone. The 35 Cron ASPH is similar, but nowhere near the extent of the 35 Lux. Not to mention, the bokeh on the 35 Lux and 28 Cron is far more pleasing to my eyes than the 35 Cron


Thank you so much for this. To my eye 35 Cron has a beautiful "look", but doesn't
seem to be anything exceptional outside of that. It reminds me my 50 R f2
(never tried the 50 Cron M). Somehow when I look at my 28 Cron shots,
it's really something special and in the same time it's very very sharp.
35 Lux looks very clean and sharp and the bookeh is nicer. But somehow
it lacks a signature look... Don't get me wrong, maybe I'm spoiled by the 28 Cron
or don't have enough experience. 50 Lux seems very clean, but has
an exceptional clarity and pop which make a special rendering by that lens...
Maybe it's because 35 Lux is wider, so there is not as much pop?
Or it's rather the separation of the sharp area vs the background...


BTW there is a new 50 Cron introduced in 3 weeks - $1000 more expensive...




Apr 19, 2012 at 11:29 PM
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p.504 #17 · p.504 #17 · Leica M/X/T Picture Thread


snowboarder wrote:
I just took my two new M lenses for a spin tonight. Sorry, the camera is not an M (yet),
but I'm excited I wanted to post something here


Andrew, very nice series. Are these from you NEX 5?



Apr 20, 2012 at 03:40 AM
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p.504 #18 · p.504 #18 · Leica M/X/T Picture Thread


NIce find Ryan!

Andrew - interesting about a new 50 Cron. In some respects it's about time, considering how old the current design is. Sure, it's good, but many accounts indicate one can get as good or better from the ZM50 Planar for considerably less. I wonder if the new one will be ASPH? I could also see them updating the Lux ASPH in a couple years. It's a great lens, but could still be improved for close focus quality (I'm thinking under 1-1.5m distance, which might be a somewhat limited need)... though I'm sure any update will push it close to $5000. Have you heard any rumors about a 14mm? That one's been floating around for a while...

Michael, very nice of your daughter and love the window reflections. The Summarit 5cm f/1.5 is certainly not an ideal lens for wide open landscape images, unless you like softness. The 50 Lux ASPH is much, much superior in this respect, in fact it amazes me how good it can be at distance wide open... but that's not why I bought the Summarit. Rather, I wanted an anti-ASPH lens... something with a lot less edge to it.

Anyway, I have yet to try it at various apertures but did a few at f/2.8 for reference, as seen below vs. wide open:












And vs. the 50 Lux ASPH, both wide open:












I think you can tell which is the ASPH.

A few more from the Summarit:

















And just for comparison, the CV40 f/1.4 with somewhat similar framing - a lens I bought for it's harder, livelier background blur.








Apr 20, 2012 at 05:25 AM
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Ron, I plan to give you a call soon. Perhaps we can meet up for another shoot.

Ryan, thanks for the comments, I am investigating the 35'cron right now as I already own the 35 lux asph v1. There is something about the clarity and size of the 'cron that appeals to me. BTW, your daughter looks like she has quite the character! You have captured her personality in the photos very well!

I am not a lover of the 35mm focal length, I tend to prefer the 24mm view of the world. I wish that I could afford Jags 24mm lux right now, but alas other expenses get in the way. I am also beginning to save for the M10

Charles and everyone else, thank you for the comments and encouragement.

Andrew



Apr 20, 2012 at 09:34 AM
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Thanks Ron, Michael & Andrew

Ron - I have seen a lot of samples on the Nikon 85 f/2 LTM and the lens looks excellent. There is a black version and a chrome, make sure to get the black. It is a few years newer with the same optical formula, but slightly improved coating and a hell of a lot smaller/lighter. That being said, take a look at the Canon 85 f/1.8 LTM too. That lens rivals the Nikon 85 f/2 LTM and I actually prefer the rendering better. CameraWest has a 9+ condition one available for $800 that is a real bargain if you ask me. The portraits I have seen from that lens are just plain beautiful.

I have never been a fan of the 5cm f/1.5 Summarit - but your shots actually look quite good. I don't know if its b/c you increased contrast drastically or what, but what you posted looks like a lot nicer to my eyes than what I'm used to. Almost every time I see shots posted they just look like there is a major haze over the entire image, but yours don't show that. Shot #3 on the prior page of the tree in the cemetary is excellent.

Michael - great shot of your daughter with the Cron. Looks like a paparazzi pic . Yes, I'm still looking for a D800....actually would prefer the D800E. If you aren't interested in it and end up having it come available PM me

Ryan - nice shot with the CV 35. I don't know if I have ever seen a digital image look so film-like



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