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p.1 #1 · Sierra Moonrise & Sunset


A composite experiment: January 2009 Sierra moon (Mt. Whitney crest) and January 2005 Sierra sunset (Mono Lake Basin). Lunacy? Thanks for looking.

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Mar 18, 2010 at 11:33 PM
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I'm afraid it doesn't work for me. I know Lee Vining and Mono Lake pretty well, and right off the bat seeing the moon in that location just hits me as wrong - basically it can't happen. (It would be like a photo showing the moon rising over the north end of the GG Bridge from SF.)

Sorry... Others may feel differently about it.

Take care,

Dan

(Added later: apart from my problem with the composition, I always love the cold blue light of the Mono Lake Basin in winter and the effect of contrast between this and the often different light in the sky.)

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Mar 18, 2010 at 11:39 PM
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Bob,
I like this image. My only thought would be to add some color to the moon as the sky surrounding it. It will look much better imho. And perhaps move it to the right just a little. Nicely done though.

Mar 18, 2010 at 11:40 PM
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I think it looks great, but I'd make the moon a bit warmer than it is. Looks too cold for my taste. I really like the foreground...

Mar 18, 2010 at 11:41 PM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
I'm afraid it doesn't work for me. I know Lee Vining and Mono Lake pretty well, and right off the bat seeing the moon in that location just hits me as wrong - basically it can't happen. (It would be like a photo showing the moon rising over the north end of the GG Bridge from SF.)

Sorry... Others may feel differently about it.

Take care,

Dan


Thanks, Dan, for your incisive comments, well taken. The location of the moon in that area, of course was done with "artistic" license, and not meant to be astronomically correct, of course. But, just an experiment.

Bob


Mar 18, 2010 at 11:48 PM
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Klaus Priebe wrote:
Bob,
I like this image. My only thought would be to add some color to the moon as the sky surrounding it. It will look much better imho. And perhaps move it to the right just a little. Nicely done though.


Many thanks, Klaus, for your kind comments and editing suggestions. Glad you like the image, a first try at a landscape composite.

Bob


Mar 18, 2010 at 11:49 PM
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phil hawkins wrote:
I think it looks great, but I'd make the moon a bit warmer than it is. Looks too cold for my taste. I really like the foreground...


Thank you, Phil, for your kind comments and editing suggestions and glad you like the composite landscape image: fun to do for the first time.

Bob


Mar 18, 2010 at 11:51 PM
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Perhaps it has all been said but you can't have a bright left side of the nearly full moon when the sun is setting to the right.

Mar 19, 2010 at 12:38 AM
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Sorry Bob, count me out as well. Perhaps if it was a little more subtle, but it just screams copy/paste to me.

While I freely admit that "it's art" and you can do anything that you'd like with your image, personally, I get no joy from pasting in a moon. That said, I find going to the trouble of plotting where it will be and making sure that your in the spot to capture it in your scene, immensely satisfying. To each his own.

Cheers

Mar 19, 2010 at 12:42 AM
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Nothing against composites, but I knew this one was one even before I read the description, so I think a little more needs to be done in order for the moon to blend in better

Mar 19, 2010 at 12:43 AM
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Love the shot but agree with the others. Warm it up a bit, back down the intensity and add in just a little haze by knocking back the contrast a bit and see what you think.

Btw I think this stands on it's own without the moon but I can see your vision here. Good luck!

Jason

Mar 19, 2010 at 02:06 AM
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Hey Bob,

Pretty cool creativity there! I was just at Mono Lake earlier this week, it's too bad I couldn't have gotten this shot then!

Jim

Mar 19, 2010 at 03:07 AM
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Henry W wrote:
Perhaps it has all been said but you can't have a bright left side of the nearly full moon when the sun is setting to the right.


Thanks for your kind comments, Henry. I'm chastened.

Bob


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Doug Otto wrote:
Sorry Bob, count me out as well. Perhaps if it was a little more subtle, but it just screams copy/paste to me.

While I freely admit that "it's art" and you can do anything that you'd like with your image, personally, I get no joy from pasting in a moon. That said, I find going to the trouble of plotting where it will be and making sure that your in the spot to capture it in your scene, immensely satisfying. To each his own.

Cheers


Thanks, Doug, for your comments. Appreciated. I'll try to do better next time.

Bob




Mar 19, 2010 at 04:46 AM
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Matt Tilghman wrote:
Nothing against composites, but I knew this one was one even before I read the description, so I think a little more needs to be done in order for the moon to blend in better


Thank you, Matt, for your welcome comments. I'm learning.

Bob

Mar 19, 2010 at 04:47 AM
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J. Sims wrote:
Love the shot but agree with the others. Warm it up a bit, back down the intensity and add in just a little haze by knocking back the contrast a bit and see what you think.

Btw I think this stands on it's own without the moon but I can see your vision here. Good luck!

Jason


Many thanks, Jason, for your constructive comments and suggestions on this experiment. I will work on a improved version.

Bob

Mar 19, 2010 at 04:48 AM
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JimFox wrote:
Hey Bob,

Pretty cool creativity there! I was just at Mono Lake earlier this week, it's too bad I couldn't have gotten this shot then!

Jim


Thank you, Jim, for your welcome and kind comments and glad you like the image. Moon shots in the Eastern Sierra, fabricated or real, are always a seldom observed/photographed opportunity.

Bob


Mar 19, 2010 at 04:52 AM
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Hello Bob, love the pastels and subtle reflections. Technique, tools, and artistic license aside, and just commenting on the image as presented; cropping or cloning to remove all the dark 'stuff' in the foreground would work better for me, and maybe a slight gray or blue tint to the matte as well

hugh

Mar 19, 2010 at 10:24 AM
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Agreed, it is definitely a little too obvious to me... try perhaps to brighten it up abit, possibly even make it pure white as the moon would look on a long exposure? It might not be as obvious. I don't mind it in the spot where it is though, even if its 'wrong'

Mar 19, 2010 at 12:39 PM
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hugh wrote:
Hello Bob, love the pastels and subtle reflections. Technique, tools, and artistic license aside, and just commenting on the image as presented; cropping or cloning to remove all the dark 'stuff' in the foreground would work better for me, and maybe a slight gray or blue tint to the matte as well

hugh


Thanks very much, hugh, for your welcome and constructive comments, editing suggestions for the image, appreciated.

Bob

Mar 19, 2010 at 03:05 PM
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donaldy wrote:
Agreed, it is definitely a little too obvious to me... try perhaps to brighten it up abit, possibly even make it pure white as the moon would look on a long exposure? It might not be as obvious. I don't mind it in the spot where it is though, even if its 'wrong'


Thank you, Donald, for your kind comments and editing suggestions for the image.

Bob


Mar 19, 2010 at 03:06 PM
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Really cool comp. I'd agree with the others, the moon looks a little on the weird side. Make a few adjustments and you got a keeper.

Brian

Mar 19, 2010 at 03:22 PM
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bjacks25 wrote:
Really cool comp. I'd agree with the others, the moon looks a little on the weird side. Make a few adjustments and you got a keeper.

Brian


Many thanks, Brian, for your welcome and kind comments and editing suggestions, appreciated.

Bob

Mar 19, 2010 at 03:32 PM
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An alternative crop idea occurred to me after thinking more about the appeal of that warm light reflecting in the blue area over the lake - that is perhaps the most interesting thing in the scene for me.

This may seem odd, but I'd consider cropping out most of the sky, cutting things right above the peak at the right side of the frame (perhaps barely above that small wisp of a cloud), and leaving a much narrower band of colorful sky. (Yes, I'd lose the moon.. :-) Oddly, by doing this, you make that beautiful and subtle colored light at the lake surface a larger force in the image - largely, I think, by removing the overwhelming and large area of color in the sky - and focus the attention on that beautiful and subtle feature. (I might consider cropping a bit from the right side of the frame as well, with a goal of slightly reducing the mass of the dark mountains above Lee Vining a bit.)

I understand what some are saying when they suggest diminishing the dark area in the foreground... but I'm not sure I agree with them. This area, being dark, allows that bit of luminous color on the lake to stand out a bit more by contrast, and the line of the road into the lower left corner is compositionally effective to my eye. I might play a bit with the intensity of the blue tones.

I think what I'm saying is that in the current image the moon distracts me from the core interest in this scene, and that this core interest is a much more luminous, beautiful and rare thing - the subtle coloration of the light reflected from the sky onto the area of the lake. Bringing my attention more to that could possibly make this scene something more special than another Giant Moon Photograph.

Take care,

Dan

Mar 19, 2010 at 03:50 PM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
An alternative crop idea occurred to me after thinking more about the appeal of that warm light reflecting in the blue area over the lake - that is perhaps the most interesting thing in the scene for me.

This may seem odd, but I'd consider cropping out most of the sky, cutting things right above the peak at the right side of the frame (perhaps barely above that small wisp of a cloud), and leaving a much narrower band of colorful sky. (Yes, I'd lose the moon.. :-) Oddly, by doing this, you make that beautiful and subtle colored light at the lake surface a larger force in the image - largely, I think, by removing the overwhelming and large area of color in the sky - and focus the attention on that beautiful and subtle feature. (I might consider cropping a bit from the right side of the frame as well, with a goal of slightly reducing the mass of the dark mountains above Lee Vining a bit.)

I understand what some are saying when they suggest diminishing the dark area in the foreground... but I'm not sure I agree with them. This area, being dark, allows that bit of luminous color on the lake to stand out a bit more by contrast, and the line of the road into the lower left corner is compositionally effective to my eye. I might play a bit with the intensity of the blue tones.

I think what I'm saying is that in the current image the moon distracts me from the core interest in this scene, and that this core interest is a much more luminous, beautiful and rare thing - the subtle coloration of the light reflected from the sky onto the area of the lake. Bringing my attention more to that could possibly make this scene something more special than another Giant Moon Photograph.

Take care,

Dan


Thank you, Dan, for your welcome and expanded critique, gratefully accepted.

The moon insertion was a not a well thought out addition to base image which was posted earlier on this forum and again here.

Bob








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