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Overall results were quite good, with a remarkably high keeper rate on sharpness. As I expected, the 300 did a better job of maintaining sharp focus than the 70-200, but both were very good. I kept the aperture around f5.0 or higher, which gave me very good sharpness, but still provided a nice bokeh. AF tracking was extremely impressive.

A few examples from today:



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bwhip62, FWIW the picture above is your only posted example with the action coming towards you ... I hope you are aware that it's front focused. The other examples have the target moving perpendicular to the optical axis; these do not represent a big challenge to any AF system provided you are doing a decent job of panning (which you are).

I'm not trying to burst bubbles here ... just a suggestion for you to rethink your test (and of course the results) while your new camera is still within the exchange period.

To test the basics of AI Servo AF I would suggest shooting the family car coming towards you at 25 to 30 MPH (i.e. speed limit in your neighborhood); the car is a repeatable target that you can use to retest AF tracking performance using any/all of your lenses and/or bodies.

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Feb 11, 2010 at 01:32 PM
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bwhip62, FWIW the picture above is your only posted example with the action coming towards you ... I hope you are aware that it's front focused. The other examples have the target moving perpendicular to the optical axis; these do not represent a big challenge to any AF system provided you are doing a decent job of panning (which you are).

I'm not trying to burst bubbles here ... just a suggestion for you to rethink your test (and of course the results) while your new camera is still within the exchange period.

To test the basics of AI Servo AF I would suggest shooting the family car coming towards you at 25 to 30 MPH (i.e. speed limit in your neighborhood); the car is a repeatable target that you can use to retest AF tracking performance using any/all of your lenses and/or bodies.

Regards,

Joe Kurkjian

Thanks, Joe.

I'm still testing for sure, in a wide variety of different applications and conditions. Because my primary use for the camera will be in shooting motorsports, having outstanding AF tracking is critical.

I took several hundred shots that day, some better than others of course. There are so many different customization options with the camera, that it is difficult and time-consuming to test them all in a controlled and scientific manner. I can look at a shot later, and not be 100% certain whether the lack of focus where I wanted it to be had to do with a CF setting, or something different (aperture, shutter speed, me not holding the camera steady enough, me not tracking the subject properly, etc.). In the limited amount of testing I've done so far, I've also noticed that AF on moving targets works better with some lenses than others. I haven't yet had a chance to do much testing with my 600mm f/4, which is very important as I use it quite a bit in my motorsports work.

In shooting the dogs, sometimes their actions are unpredictable. I'm moving the camera, panning along with their movement, trying to keep the focus on them as their heads move up and down while they run, when suddenly they stop or turn. It's probable when they are running toward me that the focal point is trying to zero in on their head, and then their chest.

I do see a tendency on shot of them running toward me for the camera to front-focus. I picked that photo probably more because I liked it than because it was the best representation of AF. The general results from this particular day's testing were so much better than the previous, that I felt reassured.

Here is a complete sequence of photos of a dog running toward me that came from that session. These are all uncropped, just reduced in size.

http://www.latebraker.com/test2.html

I'll definitely keep testing! I sure want this camera to be all that I expect it to be, especially considering the considerable investment involved. Thanks again.

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bwhip62 wrote:
jkurkjia wrote:
bwhip62, FWIW the picture above is your only posted example with the action coming towards you ... I hope you are aware that it's front focused. The other examples have the target moving perpendicular to the optical axis; these do not represent a big challenge to any AF system provided you are doing a decent job of panning (which you are).

I'm not trying to burst bubbles here ... just a suggestion for you to rethink your test (and of course the results) while your new camera is still within the exchange period.

To test the basics of AI Servo AF I would suggest shooting the family car coming towards you at 25 to 30 MPH (i.e. speed limit in your neighborhood); the car is a repeatable target that you can use to retest AF tracking performance using any/all of your lenses and/or bodies.

Regards,

Joe Kurkjian

Thanks, Joe.

I'm still testing for sure, in a wide variety of different applications and conditions. Because my primary use for the camera will be in shooting motorsports, having outstanding AF tracking is critical.

I took several hundred shots that day, some better than others of course. There are so many different customization options with the camera, that it is difficult and time-consuming to test them all in a controlled and scientific manner. I can look at a shot later, and not be 100% certain whether the lack of focus where I wanted it to be had to do with a CF setting, or something different (aperture, shutter speed, me not holding the camera steady enough, me not tracking the subject properly, etc.). In the limited amount of testing I've done so far, I've also noticed that AF on moving targets works better with some lenses than others. I haven't yet had a chance to do much testing with my 600mm f/4, which is very important as I use it quite a bit in my motorsports work.

In shooting the dogs, sometimes their actions are unpredictable. I'm moving the camera, panning along with their movement, trying to keep the focus on them as their heads move up and down while they run, when suddenly they stop or turn. It's probable when they are running toward me that the focal point is trying to zero in on their head, and then their chest.

I do see a tendency on shot of them running toward me for the camera to front-focus. I picked that photo probably more because I liked it than because it was the best representation of AF. The general results from this particular day's testing were so much better than the previous, that I felt reassured.

Here is a complete sequence of photos of a dog running toward me that came from that session. These are all uncropped, just reduced in size.

http://www.latebraker.com/galleries/test2/

I'll definitely keep testing! I sure want this camera to be all that I expect it to be, especially considering the considerable investment involved. Thanks again.


I think it's tough to keep your AF point on a running dog's nose because your MKIV is vibrating itself apart in AIServo.

Feb 11, 2010 at 03:53 PM
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Hi kc_photo,

definitely recommend upgrading. This is a complete different camera and a more capable one, in my opinion. Very fortunate to have upgraded. The camera never had any focus issues has MarkIII even my MarkIII was a god copy... maybe lucky me but I can say that mine was late 58XXX model.

I also would like to make clear here that I NEVER and I say again NEVER had any focus problems with the MarkIV. This firmware the only thing that messed with was the servo mode and only the part where it should be focusing on not the focus itself. The photos I have when it got lock on are tack sharp and usable. On my point of view the 1.0.6 made the servo more nervous and sensible and even on static people or objects he keeps searching.

I love this Camera for what I earn living with... as you may understand my concern is to serve my clients the best I can and not being in the field worried about servo options.

Notice that I do not work or have ever done any testing for Canon or their services, these are my 15 year of business talking. And yes I had Nikon in the past (film days)

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Hi fraga,

thanks for the tips but I do not believe they will give me any help. Those directions are almost the same when you have some technical issues with some home appliances
I.E. when they do not know what could be wrong they simply tell you to do foolish things. Anyway here goes a complete valid response from canon Germany... for me the best service support I ever received from Canon.

Received today mail from Canon Europe Support Center (Germany) that goes has follow:

Dear Rui,

To find out, what's the problem, try both firmware's in the same condition to see any difference. Normally the new version shouldn't affect the low light capability.

When combining a new camera, with used lenses sometimes problems occur, because of varied tolerance levels due to different production ages of the used equipment. The Mark IV is a very precise camera and wrong tolerance levels, have strong influence in AF accuracy. When the flange back of the camera and the ultrasonic motor in the lens is not correct adjusted, the AF-performance will be worse. In most cases the ultrasonic motor of the lens has to be adjusted, the cameras normally have no big tolerances.

Is your equipment already checked by our service?

If so, when was it at last in our workshop, we changed the calibration method, to adjust, in the last half of year, the new method reached a much higher precision level.

Today I only can make assumptions, to get a better overview, if there are still problems, please send me a copy of some image (important some burst frames - 10 or more images in a row) to get an more analyzed answer.

At least a new AF-Guide for the Mark IV, to discover new functionality.

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I think this says it all. Lenses need to be re-focused and tuned. What I wonder is why didn't Canon let us know about this and are the services (around the world) aware about this?

Here is the link ( see bottom - 5Mb pdf file) to the so missed, very complete and informative EOS Custom guideE01 (AI Servo AF custom Function & ISO Speed Setting Guide) it's a 46 page manual only about what we really need to know.

Hope this could help people around with these same problems.

As soon as I got any more news will let you know. Tomorrow will make a recalibration to all BIG lenses and post the results later. I just hope Canon Portugal has made that workshop upgrade on the new calibration service for the BIG WHITE Shark lenses.

I also noticed that the people that are more prune to complain are the ones that had previously the 1.0.4 and uses BIG White lenses such has the 400 2.8, DO 4.0, 500 4.0 and 5.6.

So far that's what I have reported around here. People with 70-200 and small this firm is a must. Stay tuned for more as soon as I got them. Mail me if you need some of my technical C.Fn.

EOS CustomGuideE01.pdf

Feb 11, 2010 at 10:48 PM
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Rui, thanks a million for posting that link!

Feb 12, 2010 at 01:29 AM
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More to come as soon has I got more news.

Rob Galbraith got his article posted today and the same issues has I was complaining about wit 1.0.6 are mentioned. Maybe he also needs to test the 1.0.4 which in my basic opinion is much better at servo mode.

Rob Galbraith 1dMarkIV Analysis

Feb 12, 2010 at 01:34 AM
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Thanks for the link..PM to follow.
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Feb 12, 2010 at 01:57 AM
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I have a similar problem with my 500mm F4 it just does not seem to want to focus on BIF shots but with my 400mm 5.6 no problems. It was not great before I added the upgrade but now it very poor indeed. I seemed to get better shots with the 500mm on my Canon 40D

Feb 24, 2010 at 03:09 PM
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I have just caught up with this thread and it's contents. When My 1D1V arrived I immediately put the new firmware in not having heard of any issues. I had used the camera with my 70-200 2.8 on a couple of jobs and was delighted with its performance. After micro adjusting my 300 2.8 and 500 f4 is I went to do BIF shoot of Red Kites and swans. I took 880 shots with the 500F4 and never had a keeper.
I took over 300 shots with my 300 +1.4 and got my usual return of keepers which were sharp and good.
I presumed my 500 lens was the problem and I packed it up ready to send to Canon and now I have read this thread.
I will give them a phone tomorrow to see what the score is. If there is a problem they better get it sorted pretty dam quick as I have barely got cofidence back after the 1D111 fiasco of which I had 2.
I did actually contact them today briefly and asked if there were any issues with the two and a nice sounding lady with an American voice told me there had been general servo issues with the 1.04 software but that 1.06 had fixed all know problems.

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Feb 24, 2010 at 08:03 PM
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Just a quick word about this matter,

I've rolled out to version 1.0.4 and have much better results than after upgrading to the 1.0.6.

I believe that most people would not notice it since the new cameras are already sold with the 1.0.6. What I notice is that the servo tends to skip more often with 1.0.6 than with previous 1.0.4 and it takes longer to return to focus. All on servo mode and for football it's better you are using the surrounding points otherwise it will be useless as it hunts even more.

With 1.0.6 and low light concert, that it's my major, if the person is standing still at the mic and if you use servo be careful not to use any of the assisted points as the camera tends to like too much of the mic and if the person wears black you will have the focus hunting like crazy.

I've decided to return to version 1.0.4 as it tends to be much more stable for what I photograph and I have much more keepers. This does not mean the 1.0.6 is not good, but for me (since I tried the 1.0.4 with great success) is not an option.

Anyone having the same issues?

Rui

Feb 24, 2010 at 10:42 PM
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ruimleal wrote:
I've decided to return to version 1.0.4 as it tends to be much more stable for what I photograph and I have much more keepers. This does not mean the 1.0.6 is not good, but for me (since I tried the 1.0.4 with great success) is not an option.
Rui


How are you "returning to 1.0.4" after upgrading to 1.0.6?



Feb 25, 2010 at 04:52 AM
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I upgraded my firmware to 1.0.6 after I received my MKIV and experienced the same focusing problems others have cited. Rather than go through the same headaches I experienced from 3 copies of the MKIII I sent mine back for a refund.

I'm just not ready to beta test a $5K camera so I'll wait a good while before considering it again.

Jim

Feb 25, 2010 at 04:58 AM
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OK, I finaly got my camera back from Canon, here is what they said:

“Your product has been examined and upon close inspection the exact cause could not be indentified but it was found that causing inaccurate aouto focusfrom time to time. Electrical adjustments were carried out on the AF assambley and product funcions were confirmed. Other electrical adjustments and inspection and cleaning were carried out.”

Tomorrow will be a ultimate test as I’m going to L&D 14 shoot eagles…..


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OK, I finaly got my camera back from Canon, here is what they said:

“Your product has been examined and upon close inspection the exact cause could not be indentified but it was found that causing inaccurate aouto focusfrom time to time. Electrical adjustments were carried out on the AF assambley and product funcions were confirmed. Other electrical adjustments and inspection and cleaning were carried out.”

Tomorrow will be a ultimate test as I’m going to L&D 14 shoot eagles…..



That looks like a standard statement from Canon Service Paper...

Keep us posted....

Mar 06, 2010 at 01:56 AM
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After a couple days with email exchange with Canon Germany the issue that Canon presents seems now related with lenses than the camera itself.

They say that maybe my 400 4.0 DO L, cause it's a soft lens, maybe that is causing the slow responsive on version 1.0.6.

Well 4.000 euros soft lens, not bad deal what do you think? Also 4000 for a 1D MarkIV updated to 1.0.6 not getting consecutive servo focus is also my problem, go figure. Maybe I need to buy something even more expensive...

I also been telling them that the 70-200 L USM IS and my fellow with the 400 2.8 L IS is getting the same issues with firm 1.0.6 but we cannot replicate that with firm 1.0.4 and since I bought it with firm 1.0.4 I did not have any problems with servo as I get with version 1.0.6 even with the "soft" 400 DO that always got me very in sharp pictures.

I'm waiting for the new 70-200 USM L IS II to test them both and see if this is really a lens problem or what. Imagine just having to exchange my all L lens collection because they do not fit the new released cameras... then I will have to start thinking on moving to the dark side, and man I can tell you that is not on my plans for the moment.

Canon is letting me know that the new sensors are less prone to fail focus unless the lens is not well calibrated by the new rules implemented since 6 months ago. But since I do not have the Canon Service Center here in Portugal in shape to calibrate my lens to the news system I cannot confirm if this will in deed correct or not the problem with firm 1.0.6.

At the moment I'm sticking with firm 1.0.4 until they, at least, issue a statement or make a new one available.

Mar 06, 2010 at 06:48 PM
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John--G

Canon has send me the 1.0.4 so I can make some testings, so I have both versions on a card and swap as per test purposes.

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ruimleal, can you please share 1.0.4 for us who got the camera with 1.0.6 preinstalled and would like to try the older version as well and compare? Thanks in advance.


Mar 07, 2010 at 01:35 AM
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Rui, as far as I understand there are a lot of 1DMIV users that would like to go back to 1.04 again.
The thing is Canon refuses to provide them with the older firmware.
It would be really nice if you could put it online so that people can download it.

Think of it as a public service.

I believe the FM community would really appreciate it.

Mar 07, 2010 at 11:15 AM
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Hello Fraga,

thank you for answer and sorry for the late reply but I'm stuck at Lisbon Fashion week with not much time to write.

For the moment I'm on negotiations with Canon to free up the firmware to the general public so It's just a matter of time.

Please people keep pressure on Canon about this issue and pressure them to downgrade your firm to 1.0.4 as they are not aware of this affecting their cameras.

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For the moment I'm on negotiations with Canon to free up the firmware to the general public so It's just a matter of time.

Please people keep pressure on Canon about this issue and pressure them to downgrade your firm to 1.0.4 as they are not aware of this affecting their cameras.

I also got a reply from Canon Germany that it's very interesting and that could help a lot of the questions raised about blurry images (what I mean is: the image is in focus but not quite) on Canon 1D MarkIII and 1D MarkIV.

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"Increased likelihood of blur

EOS-1D Mark IV's 16.1 megapixels - approx. 1.6 times more than the EOS-1D Mark III and approx. twice that of EOS-1D Mark II. Images shot with the 1D Mark IV will show the effects of blur and defocus more than images shot with the Mark III or Mark II especially when viewed at the same size (i.e. at 100% on a computer monitor). When printed at same size, the visible effects of blur and defocus are not as noticeable. EOS-1D Mark II and EOS-1D Mark III users should be informed of the increased likelihood of blur and/or defocus when using high-resolution cameras. To prevent these image defects, photographers should use faster shutter speeds at high ISO settings and/or shoot with IS (Image Stabilizer) lenses.

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Predicitve AF

When using AI Servo AF for continuous shooting of moving subjects, one of the most common issues is the focus shifting to the background instead of the targeted subject. Focus shifting to the background usually occurs because the subject is moving extremely quickly, and it is caused by the selected AF point not being able to continue tracking the subject. When the AF point is on the background instead of the subject, focus naturally shifts to the background.
Custom Function C.Fn III-8 ‘AF point expansion’ can reduce occurrences of this issue. When option 2: ‘Surrounding AF point’ is selected, it increases the number of active AF points. The subject is easier to track because it is more likely to remain within the area covered by the active focusing points. Also, setting C.Fn III-2 ‘Tracking Sensitivity’ to one of the slower options can improve the stability of subject tracking.

Additional to the better AF accuarcy due to the larger AF-area, helps the pre tracking ca. 0.5 sec to get a better AF-prediction, see the following example:

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In your example with the flying eagle, you can notice, that the eagle is not hit accurate with the AF-points and sometimes get lost, even with 'surrounding points'. The AF switch's every time between the subject and background, you can improve such a situation, like I explained above, with C.Fn III-2 'tracking sensivity. With setting 'slow (-2)' or 'moderate slow (-1), the focus stay's longer on the detected subject, also C.Fn III-4 affect the tracking, see the following example:

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Please keep in mind, when using C.Fn 4-1 'Continuous AF tracking priority' that you hit the subject with the AF-point on the first frame, if you fail the background could be the main subject for the camera, if this happens release the AF-button and press again.

Summary:

The delivered sample images, gave me no possibility to give a clear statement. I discovered only two issues, that the chosen shutter speed in that resolution class and combined with long telephoto lenses is quite long, so a reduced shutter time should improve the results. 2nd the tolerance level of camera and lenses should be checked by our service, to see, that lenses and body fit on each other. Today's service adjustments are more precise than in the past. When was the equipment adjusted, last time?

Please don't feel misunderstood, we don't want to disabuse you or rate your photographic skill's. We think that you have good knowledge and photographic experience. But because of the much higher accuracy of the new cameras, a lot of details will be visible, we didn't see before. A view at 50 % on the screen, the resolution of Mark IIN (8 Megapixel), shows a lot more sharp images. We still want to handle your complain serious and this explanation is only a assumption. Please try the above illustrated topics and get an appointment with your service to see what changes they will deliver.

Our actual experience show, that 1.0.6 delivers better results than 1.0.4, especially the described hunting issue, is more less with the new 1.0.6. That matches also the experience photographers told us on the olympics in vancouver, I personally attend. It's confusing that you'll get better results with 1.0.4.

If you have any questions, don't hesitate to contact me.

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This was the answer I got from them after sending a DVD with a collection of a football game I did to test both versions.

My conclusion is still the same, at the moment, the 1.0.4 is a more stable version if you shoot on low light and football, but hey! that is just me talking.

I'm very apprehensive about the double speed to freeze things up and to maintain sharp images as this result in a higher ISO and a not so good quality for the final image also not talking if you need to make a crop of that image with high ISO as it sometimes it's necessary on football games.

I believe Canon could have deliver a much better sensor and even moved into a full frame one but you know Canon, marketing above all.

Last words if you are shooting moving targets remember to always, at least, double your shutter speed to get those really crispy images and try to keep you ISO low as possible to maintain HQ files. If you are on Low Light then you are f... or you can always try to change to the Dark side.

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ruimleal wrote:I'm very apprehensive about the double speed to freeze things up and to maintain sharp images as this result in a higher ISO and a not so good quality for the final image also not talking if you need to make a crop of that image with high ISO as it sometimes it's necessary on football games.

Rui you will be interested in this thread.

Nill

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Nill,

thank you for your link thread I will take a look at it.

Rui

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Mar 16, 2010 at 12:57 AM
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From the link Nill Toulme sent I got to a review of the 1D MarkIV ( Check it out), there is an interesting and very important observation about the camera sensor and I cote:

"The high pixel density of the 1DmkIV has two negative implications - it puts great demands on lens quality and also the camera is more susceptible to camera shake/motion blur. I find that I have to raise my shutterspeed a little to ensure getting a sharp image on the mkIV. To give you an idea of this, I took some images with the three cameras (plus 500mm f4 on a tripod trained on a distant target) reducing the shutterspeed progressively until the results were no longer critically sharp when viewed at 100%. I found that I could get away with 1/30th sec on the 1DsmkII, 1/80th sec on the 1DmkIII and 1/125th on the 1DmkIV. This is quite significant and would necessitate increasing the ISO setting over the other cameras by up to 2 stops in low light conditions to compensate."

Here lies all the blurriness of the images...


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So, where can one get that Custom Function Checker Pro software (eagle screen capture)?

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ruimleal wrote:

My conclusion is still the same, at the moment, the 1.0.4 is a more stable version if you shoot on low light and football, but hey! that is just me talking.

I'm very apprehensive about the double speed to freeze things up and to maintain sharp images as this result in a higher ISO and a not so good quality for the final image also not talking if you need to make a crop of that image with high ISO as it sometimes it's necessary on football games.

I believe Canon could have deliver a much better sensor and even moved into a full frame one but you know Canon, marketing above all.

Last words if you are shooting moving targets remember to always, at least, double your shutter speed to get those really crispy images and try to keep you ISO low as possible to maintain HQ files. If you are on Low Light then you are f... or you can always try to change to the Dark side.


Canon's recommendation to increase shutter speed is only logical considering the increased resolution of the camera and I don't see any other alternative other than to maybe use a lower resolution setting which could mitigate blur at the expense of resolution. But my feeling is you're better off to shoot at full resolution and let the end user crop to the appropriate size. If you're shooting for a newspaper or wire service, chances are you're already (down)sizing images prior to transmission anyway, which may lessen the problem, unless as you stated, intend to crop deeply into the image.

I'm not sure how Canon could have made the IV sensor much better than it is. It delivers about one stop better performance than the III's 10MP sensor yet is considerably higher resolution. I'm definitely seeing sharper images as a result, though naturally it doesn't match Nikon's D3S in terms of noise (but Nikon also applies more 'black magic' during in-camera image processing, which I'm not sure I would want).

A full frame sensor would have resulted in other compromises. Maybe it could have been made with even less noise, but at what resolution? If at 16MP it would have the same pixel density as the Mark III but a wider field of view. Considering that Canon claims the new sensor tech in the IV is a gain of two stops due to efficiencies gained by optimizing the micro lenses and software, a two stop gain over the III at the same pixel density would be considerable. But compared to a IV file, you'd have less resolution to work with if using the same lens in a fixed situation since the field of view on FF would be wider (assuming you can't move closer and are 'lens limited', typical of many sports events). It would be the same as comparing the ability to crop a Mark III against the IV based on pixel density. So you'd end up shooting longer lenses or cropping a 16MP FF lot more than with the IV. For the FF camera to have the same pixel reach, it would have to be about 27MP, but then it likely wouldn't have 10 fps and post event workload for photojournalists would be cumbersome due to the large file sizes.

Yeah, the IV's sensor is a compromise, which Canon admits. They claim the decision was made to allow the use of shorter, lighter lenses to allow more mobility yet also give more cropping 'reach' for the average photojournalist. But of course the trade off to higher resolution is that focus issues become more apparent, requiring tighter tolerances throughout the AF system but also better technique by photographers.

Ron


Mar 16, 2010 at 01:38 AM




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