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p.5 #1 · Model Mayhem


alkaline wrote:
what set me off, and got me to cancel my account was the sheer number of 'models' just looking to make a buck off of it. i got a message from one such model which was short and sweet, something like 'i LOVE your work' (yes, 'love' was in caps).. and she was going to be in town to set something up. anytime, i see something like that, i go to my pictures to see if the view count has went up at all and sure enough it hadn't. so i check out her profile and she's nowhere close to
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Most of the girls will have "only do paid work" on their profile, however if they like your work, they will many times shoot for trade. Just ask them!



Feb 05, 2010 at 10:44 PM
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p.5 #2 · Model Mayhem


I've worked with amazing models on TFCD that I ended up using for paid commercial work down the road. It can work... but you have to be prepared to wade through a bit of BS and unprofessionalism when working for trade. They're a little flakier when there's no money involved.


Feb 06, 2010 at 03:24 AM
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p.5 #3 · Model Mayhem


Want to respond to this later - but running out the door to the studio now, and with my memory, I know I'll forget, so I'm marking this now.

But in short, MM is exactly like any photographer's forum - 70 per cent newbies or hobbyists, 20 per cent competent, 5 per cent pro and 5 per cent nut-job.

Every level of photographer can find people to work with and practice with on MM. The important thing is to be up front with what you'll be shooting, and when you start, don't expect to get the awesome models. As your work improves, the quality of models who want to shoot with you will improve too.

B

PS - add me on MM and I can point out some specifics in your region, if you like: #206132



Feb 06, 2010 at 08:37 AM
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p.5 #4 · Model Mayhem


I am extremely happy with my membership with ModelMayhem. I too, used to be on OneModelPlace but that site got so bad I quit renewing my membership about three years ago.

Parts of the search function on OMP were a lot better than on MM, but overall, I think MM is a much better site.

Just like there are GWC's on that site, there are a TON of model "wanna-be's" who truly have no chance in heck of ever becoming a model.

I have only had two models that I can think of who have flaked on me and no showed during my time on MM.

I think my work speaks for itself, the girls see my stuff and if they like it, they will shoot with me, if not, so be it.

http://www.modelmayhem.com/14419

That is my portfolio on the site.



Feb 06, 2010 at 11:44 AM
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p.5 #5 · Model Mayhem


I'm shooting in the US right now. Because I'm coming with one of my favorite model and a long time friend and because It happened that on of my favorite french model was travelling there as well and was willing to do a session; Those girls are long time aprtners and I don't pay them

Now, I wanted two more girls and went to MM. I selected Theda and Fische on the basis of the pictures they showed of themselves and the quality of he photographed they worked with. They both offered a fair price, were perfectly on time. Fische had invested in an elaborate Make Up that must not have come cheap and they both worked hard with smiles.

I couldn't be happier with MM services

Now if you want to select girls who look like nothing, have no proven experience through their book and think you're juste the average Joe they can make a buck from, you of course run some riskS. But even in that case, I blieve you can find an honest girl that is a beginner and will keep you happe (as a phtographer)



Feb 06, 2010 at 05:35 PM
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p.5 #6 · Model Mayhem


Well, my attempt to "join" model mayhem was denied, can't say I'm impresed and won't be trying again. Screw that. Here's the supposedly generic reply (no EMail either from them):

Your Model Mayhem profile has been denied! However, all is not lost. You may attempt to re-submit your profile. But only do this after going over our list of requirements. It is your job to find out what is wrong. Please do not contact us regarding this matter, it will be ignored. Instead, read over all the requirements, change your profile, upload new photos and try again. You only get 2 retries and then your account will be closed.

Here's the 4 images I used to apply (none of which are bad imho, and certainly better than a lot of the images I saw on MM from supposed other photographers):

http://www.ecn.net.au/~dpastern/mm/mm1.jpg

http://www.ecn.net.au/~dpastern/mm/mm2.jpg

http://www.ecn.net.au/~dpastern/mm/mm3.jpg

http://www.ecn.net.au/~dpastern/mm/mm4.jpg

And this was my bio:

http://www.ecn.net.au/~dpastern/mm/mm.docx

To say I'm very disappointed is a understatement. I suspect that one of the "gatekeepers" didn't like the fact that my primary genre is nature (Macro). The fact that don't give you a specific reason for rejection is also a turn off. Given some of the flakey models that seem to be profilic on MM, how the f*ck do they get a membership? Obviously it seems to me that the MM "gatekeepers" are perverts who like to look at girls, rather than judge photographers based on their merits. Just my honest thoughts.

Dave

PS This Aussie isn't know for taking any crap or not speaking his mind.



Feb 06, 2010 at 09:54 PM
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p.5 #7 · Model Mayhem


PS I'll be asking them to remove the images that I uploaded and if they won't do so, I'll take legal ation to force them to remove them for copyright infringement.

Dave



Feb 06, 2010 at 09:55 PM
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p.5 #8 · Model Mayhem


wow- They seriously denied you? They accepted me - and My pictures weren't as good as yours.

but then, they DID have a lot of Skin.



Feb 06, 2010 at 10:06 PM
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p.5 #9 · Model Mayhem


Yup. I don't have time for BS like them. I know I'm not the best or even average at model portraiture, but I'm also self confident enough [about my own abilities] to know that my images were good enough for inclusion. I sense much elitism in their mod ranks and I can do without that BS. I'm far too forthright and far too down to Earth for their crap.

I have since sent a PM to a mod asking for them to remove my details, images, etc from their server, or I will take legal action for copyright infringement. And I will do so. If I'm not good enough for them, then they surely as hell can remove anything and everything about me from their servers.

I have no intentions of "re-applying" for MM membership.

Dave



Feb 06, 2010 at 10:48 PM
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p.5 #10 · Model Mayhem


JayDavis wrote:
I am extremely happy with my membership with ModelMayhem.


And for good reasons .. your MM portfolio and profile are perfect examples of how to successfully work within a networking environment.



Feb 07, 2010 at 08:48 AM
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p.5 #11 · Model Mayhem


melkor wrote:
Well, my attempt to "join" model mayhem was denied, can't say I'm impresed and won't be trying again. Screw that.
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Here's the 4 images I used to apply (none of which are bad imho, and certainly better than a lot of the images I saw on MM from supposed other photographers):


With respect, all four of the images you posted seem to be candid in nature, maybe they are, maybe not, but I shoot a lot of candids, and that's what they appear to be. I love candids, and I shoot a lot of them, but, my advice would be to beg/cajole/bribe some family/friends into taking some posed portraits, showing that you have paid a minimal amount of attention to composition, background, expression, pose, etc. Perhaps that's more in line with what they're looking for.



Feb 07, 2010 at 03:52 PM
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p.5 #12 · Model Mayhem


I would agree with Justin. Try uploading a bit more variety, your stuff is good so the picture quality is not the issue. I personally was turned down my first application with MM so I know how you feel, just don't take it personally.

As for MM I find like everything, you need to do your due diligence and you'll find models to work with that are no problem. Not that I've used MM a ton but I found that with my initial correspondence would tell me a lot about the model. Just like dealing with any suppliers, sub-contractors and customers those that were slow in returning calls and emails or appeared flakey I avoided doing doing business with them. I talked to a few models and settled on working with one that I was comfortable with and vise-versa, worked out great.

Well traveling later this month I'll be doing a few back to back shooting sessions to build up my port. We'll see if all my models that I've chosen work out OK.



Feb 07, 2010 at 05:11 PM
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p.5 #13 · Model Mayhem


Thanks, but I'm not going to waste my time with that mob.

Dave

jfinite wrote:
With respect, all four of the images you posted seem to be candid in nature, maybe they are, maybe not, but I shoot a lot of candids, and that's what they appear to be. I love candids, and I shoot a lot of them, but, my advice would be to beg/cajole/bribe some family/friends into taking some posed portraits, showing that you have paid a minimal amount of attention to composition, background, expression, pose, etc. Perhaps that's more in line with what they're looking for.




Feb 07, 2010 at 06:51 PM
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p.5 #14 · Model Mayhem


My advice is look on MM for a decent looking model who really needs to get some better shots in her portfolio. They are a bit more eager to show and won't be critical while you're learning. There are alot of decent looking models on there who state "No nudes" so that won't be an issue. Talk to the model about what types of outfits they have. Some girls bring suitcases of stuff, others just being a few outfits. Request what type of look you're after. A novice model doesn't know much so she'll appreciate the direction. Offer to meet at a public place beforehand to "feel them out." There are some flakes out there. I usually meet at the mall in the Food Court.

Just my take...



Feb 07, 2010 at 08:09 PM
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p.5 #15 · Model Mayhem


that's exactly what i thought. no offense intended as well, but the shots definitely look candid. i'm sure that's why you were denied. nothing wrong with candid but model mayhem is about models and well.. the opposite of candid.


Feb 08, 2010 at 12:07 AM
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How do you define Candid? #1 and #2 I directed the girl (a friend) to look at me in a certain way, to smile. I also gave thought to the lighting (natural). It was not an off the cuff shot. That *is* candid. #3 - this girl I didn't know from a bar of soap. I asked her if I could take some images of her (and in fact, she got high res JPEGs of the shots EMailed to her). I directed her as to where I wanted her to sit (lighting was awkward as it was indoors) and the pose that I wanted. When you're shooting indoors, trying to avoid ugly flash, and have thousands of people milling around, it ain't easy. Finding a spare spot, with a minimum of people walking through the shot, getting the natural light as best as possible etc, requires direction. Whilst I did not know her, the shot was pre-meditated and I had a visual for what I wanted. #4 - my best mate - we decided to take his young daughter for a walk and I grabbed my camera gear indicating that it would be nice to get some shots of him. I picked the tree. I asked if he wanted to sit down or stand up against the tree. I again picked what was the best in terms of lighting opportunites. I took a bunch of shots, covering his top half to him in its entirety. Again, not a candid shot.

Are we hear to shoot photography (and get better) or compartmentalise the genre to hell? Gee...no wonder I don't usually shoot people, it's simply not worth the BS. Insects and Arachnids are far, far, far easier to shoot and there's so much lesser amounts of BS and egos floating around it isn't funny.

Anyways, I've said my bit. I can't recommend MM on my experiences.

Dave

PS How do you explain flaky models getting into MM just cos they show a bit of skin (or a lot)? Some of the shots there make the girls just look like overpriced hookers imho, and there's *no* style to the shot(s). Edit: Perhaps MM should make more of an effort to remove the trailer trash wannabe models from their site? I mean, they seem to gril lthe potential photographers...

edit: Oh, and in every instance, I had planned to take shots. Specifically with shots #1 and #2, Meg had asked me to turn up to Supanova since I love sci fi and comics, and was a suspect anime fan in the making (now converted lol), and Meg wanted some in her words, "decent shots of me". I had an idea of what her costume would look like by descriptions (I didn't get a chance to see it beforehand), and I had an idea of what lenses I wanted to use (pre visualised). That is *not* candid. The shots may look candid, but they were prepared. Just because I didn't have brollies, reflectors, lights etc doesn't disqualify me from non Candid shots. Or if it does, that's just elitism, nothing more, and nothing less. Just a quick URL from a Google that supports my thoughts:

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1185116/understanding_the_difference_between.html



Feb 08, 2010 at 03:41 AM
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I like MM. It's more entertaining than productive though. Maybe your profile was lame. All you have to say it "Hey, I like shooting photos. I want to shoot people." Blah blah blah. Just don't talk about other photos that don't involve people, don't submit photos other than shots of people, and yeah, maybe try again.

Cheers,
Thomas



Feb 08, 2010 at 03:52 AM
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I hate to say it, but I got through the "selection process" on my first try through as well without showing any significant amount of skin in any of my shots.

The first two shots, aside from a B&W conversion are basically the same concept, the third, while it might be an interesting in site in to the models character to you, without the context that only knowing the model could bring it just looks like a weird person, and the last shot could have been taken with an iphone.

It is what it is...there's plenty of photographer's profiles on there that have no skin showing in any of their shots aside from a shoulder, but their shots are for the most part good in some respect.

I'm not saying there's not crap on there, because there certainly is. I'm saying that maybe you need to look at submitting shots that are all fundamentally different. then once you get approved go ahead and upload the ones that you want.



Feb 08, 2010 at 05:22 AM
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p.5 #19 · Model Mayhem


Tomagado wrote:
I like MM. It's more entertaining than productive though. Maybe your profile was lame. All you have to say it "Hey, I like shooting photos. I want to shoot people." Blah blah blah. Just don't talk about other photos that don't involve people, don't submit photos other than shots of people, and yeah, maybe try again.

Cheers,
Thomas


Thomas, I did link to my profile (mm.docx). At least, if you're going to comment, take the time to do your homework. That you used the word "maybe", indicates that you did not read the profile, and therefore, can't really make an unbiased comment.

Dave



Feb 08, 2010 at 05:31 AM
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I'll deal with it paragraph by paragraph.

Good for you!

And how many shots are similar or the same concept from photographers on MM? Clichéd poses anyone? They're a dime a dozen in the modelling and glamour industries. So called "seller" shots. The wedding industry is no different. Gee...no wonder I'm not impressed. How many models on MM wear weird makeup? Is that any different? Are we shooting the makeup, or the person? Or better still, the person AND their personality. Are you implying that MM judged the image on the basis of 'this is weird", rather than technical merits? If that's the case, I'd sure as hell stay away from a place like that! Yes, the last shot could have been taken with an iPhone, but unlikely. Would you like to clarify why you think this? Hell, I probably could take lots of shots with an iPhone and obfuscate the EXIF data and lie to you guys and you'd believe it. Perhaps I should have left the EXIF intact, but then, I didn't expect such a difficult entry considering some of the images I've seen there. Beats me how they got in. Oh, and it's insight, not in site (sic). I hate bad spelling.

Why do you say "are good for the most part"? Are you implying that my submitted shots aren't any good?

Why fundamentally different? Many photographers (and artistés) developed their own style (Monet, Renior, Van gogh, Cartier-Bresson, Adams) and predominantly shot with that style. Is photography so rigid that all it's about is "rules"? You must shoot this this way...you must shoot that that way? Only this style of shot can be accepted in this genre...that's just very narrow minded, rigid thinking.

Anyways, I'll reiterate that this is why I don't generally shoot people. I'll admit, I'm not a people person. Most people are despicable to my eyes. I have little time for the human race as a rule. I'll go back to the macro section and mind my own business over there. At least the people aren't insulting.

Dave

Go4Long wrote:
I hate to say it, but I got through the "selection process" on my first try through as well without showing any significant amount of skin in any of my shots.

The first two shots, aside from a B&W conversion are basically the same concept, the third, while it might be an interesting in site in to the models character to you, without the context that only knowing the model could bring it just looks like a weird person, and the last shot could have been taken with an iphone.

It is what it is...there's plenty of photographer's profiles on there
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