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p.358 #1 · p.358 #1 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


Took a walk around the Spitalfields/Whitechapel area of London today.
Lots of old arcitecture and history, some of it not too pleasant.

All 5D2 + ZF25
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Apr 17, 2011 at 08:53 PM
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p.358 #2 · p.358 #2 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


and a few more, I hope you don't mind ;-)
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Apr 17, 2011 at 08:55 PM
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p.358 #3 · p.358 #3 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


I have been trying to understand what I am seeing from my 50 MP, and why it doesn't match my expectations with respect to drawing style in one or a few types of situations, and today I was able to shoot 50 Planar and 50 Makro-Planar side-by-side in the same place I was shooting the 50 MP last week, so that I could start to see if there are any significant differences, and if so, what the differences are. I will post a few sets of comparison shots in the next day or so, but for tonight, I will post just one shot which I thought started to capture some of what I miss in the 50 MP, while simultaneously showing some of its strengths.

This all heavily relates to material covered by Samuli, Philber, Wayne and Adam, around page 55 and on of this thread.

This is the shot I will compare now:







Since I feel that a lot of the feel of a shot gets lost in the final resize step, I am posting here two links to 1800x1200 shots instead. Both shots are at f/2.

50 MP

50 Planar

The three differences most visible to me are 1) the slight softness of the Planar in some areas of the photo, sometimes slightly tinged by purple, 2) the greater sharpness of the 50 MP shot, and 3) my elusive quality, the slightly better 3D effect (although weak in this shot) from the 50 Planar, via its more rapid DoF falloff, especially visible around the center of the image, near the ivy leaves at the base of the tree, but also in the distance. One can also observe the crap corners of the 50 MP near the bottom left and right, where sharpness suddenly falls off very rapidly, in addition to the unexpected sharpness in the top right corner, but I don't care about this (although I have to wonder why Zeiss didn't make this lens just a tiny bit larger to avoid this).

My personal summary of what technical aspect of the 50 MP has me missing something is something which has been mentioned as a characteristic of the 100 MP, namely that it has an extended in-focus region compared to other designs, which eventually falls off somewhat rapidly, but in this case never really catches up with the 50 Planar. The in-focus region is just too large for me for some uses, even wide open. For other uses, it is great, of course.

The comparison is slightly flawed, in that I did not manage to focus in exactly the same place (no tripod today), but I have compared maybe a dozen similar sets today, maybe even more, and they all show this same difference to various extents.

Note that the 50 MP is un-processed, other than sizing and normal sharpening, whereas I had to lower the exposure of the Planar by 0.6 stops or so (this was common among all Planar shots at f/2), increase the contrast by one click (in Aperture), and increase saturation by one click. Before making these changes (which worked uniformly on all Planar f/2 shots I made today), the 50 MP shot is a lot more attractive, but after making them, the 50 Planar shot is often more pleasing, for some reason, and I can't "fix" that by tuning the 50 MP shot.

In the end, the difference between the two was never huge, and often inconsequential, almost always giving the upper hand to the 50 MP, but on a few shots, the Planar had the something I have been looking for, and the 50 MP not. Therefore I think I will buy a 50 Planar at some point, and use both. First I will practice more with the one I have borrowed, to see if I can match some of Martin's urban 3D goodness, keeping the 50 MP on hand to do the comparison. For these tests, I will probably allow the 50 Planar to be shot wide open since the comparison is not meant to be technically fair, but to show what I can get in the best case.



Apr 17, 2011 at 09:46 PM
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p.358 #4 · p.358 #4 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


While I haven't browsed every one of the 286 pages, I've enjoyed a lot of shots of what I've seen - amazing stuff from everyone.

Right now I'm anxiously awaiting my 5D2, 24-105 for walk-around and (drum roll) my 35/2 ZE. I even bought a combo subscription to Lloyd's and have been reading about all sorts of Zeiss and other photographic subjects.


The scary part of all of this is the fact I'm starting to slowly be able to identify lens shots - maybe not all the time, but I'm getting there.

So far, here is my own little guide, it's been kind of fun guessing certain images

Ridiculously sharp landscape - probably the 21.
Overall pleasing image with a bit of 3D - Chances are, the 35
Decent DOF with 'interesting' bokeh - Maybe the 50 (either version)
Ridiculously sharp whatever with bokeh I could use to ice a cake - 100


I'm actually really interested in pulling off a 3-way comparison (web sized) to see if there any readily-apparent different between my wife's D90 with 18-105, the 5D2 with 24-105 and 35/2 (all at equiv. 35mm)







Apr 17, 2011 at 09:52 PM
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p.358 #5 · p.358 #5 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


Don't do it! You will just end up throwing away two perfectly good zooms


Apr 17, 2011 at 10:02 PM
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p.358 #6 · p.358 #6 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


Actually I was a bit disappointed when shooting with my ZE 35/2 today. I bought it a couple of weeks ago and it was my first real shooting with it. The vignetting wide open is just too much. All my other Zeiss also has a lot of vignetting but this one beats them all. Normally I don't mind it, especially on portraits it can be very nice. But this was just too much.

Carsten I agree with the DOF part when comparing your shots.



Apr 17, 2011 at 10:07 PM
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p.358 #7 · p.358 #7 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


ZE 100/2







Apr 17, 2011 at 10:10 PM
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p.358 #8 · p.358 #8 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


Yes, it's weird how that works, isn't it? As recently as one year ago, I would have no idea that two similar lenses from the same manufacturer could have such different depths of field around the focus point. The 50 MP is quite weird in how much sharpness there is around the focal plane.


Apr 17, 2011 at 10:10 PM
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p.358 #9 · p.358 #9 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


Very nice! (Although the chopped off letters and the string bother me slightly.)


Apr 17, 2011 at 10:11 PM
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Thanks, the string is probably about 7-8 meters long. So if I included all of it, the Buddha statue would be very small


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p.358 #11 · p.358 #11 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


akul, akanphel, Lars Johnsson, johnahill, vallejo, philber, uzay : Thank you very much
Lars Johnsson : very beautiful Lotus shots.
nickson : really nice BW, especially the bridge photo



Apr 17, 2011 at 11:19 PM
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p.358 #12 · p.358 #12 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


interesting comparison and analysis, Carsten. The similarity of the MP 50 with the 100 can be seen in the color rendition. The Planar has this "airiness" to it. They both give a very nice result, just different. When flipping through them the plane really pops for the 50 P, whereas for the 50 MP goes flat again. Why it should have those bad corners being planar, I don't figure.

I just love the rendering of the 50 MP close up. Pure cream.

ZF 50 MP f2



Apr 17, 2011 at 11:29 PM
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p.358 #13 · p.358 #13 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


nice comparison, carstenw! the 50M shot does seem to be more saturated and with greater DOF. However, if I look at the bark, the planar seems a bit sharper. Will chack again later.


Apr 18, 2011 at 12:59 AM
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p.358 #14 · p.358 #14 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


First of all, to each and every one of you who have posted photos on this thread, I want to say “Thank You” for rescuing me from a life of mediocre photography. Not only have all of your photos rekindled my love for photography, but you have shown me a whole new world.

That being said, I also hold each of you responsible for my substantial investments in 4 Zeiss lenses and my new 5D MarkII, and the sale of my old camera and all but one of my zooms. Funny thing is, usually it would kill me to spend that much money, but I do not regret it at all in this case. I have been so incredibly happy with the result, all I can say is “Thank You” for showing me how incredible photography can really be.

Today was the first nice day that I have had a chance to go out and really shoot. Here are a few items shot with my 21mm. These are by no means as good as the shots I see most of you posting, but I have to start somewhere. Comments are always welcome.

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Apr 18, 2011 at 02:30 AM
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Cropped fairly heavily from my ZE 21. Had a great sunset. Haven't processed any pictures besides this one 'cause of the wedding I shot that afternoon.....too much driving this weekend!!!



Apr 18, 2011 at 03:10 AM
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p.358 #16 · p.358 #16 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


Carsten, thanks for your excellent demonstration on the DOF difference. Quite enlightening!
OTOH I am surprised by your comment that you had to lower exposure on the f:1.4, because my ZE f:1.4 is a just bit darker than my other ZEs. You could ask Luka how he feels about this, because he shoots a 50MP and borrowed my f:1.4 for a few shots in the Lofoten. And, unfortunately, Samuli seems to have dropped off the radar screen.



Apr 18, 2011 at 06:19 AM
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p.358 #17 · p.358 #17 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


I hope Samuli will be back when he caught up with his processing backlog a bit, but I would guess that he is just out shooting, since it must be just starting to get nice in Finland about now.

I am shooting a Nikon D3, so perhaps that is the reason? Note that when I shot at f/1.4, it was bang on, the same as my 50 MP. Only at f/2 did I get the overexposure. I can try other apertures as well.



Apr 18, 2011 at 07:18 AM
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p.358 #18 · p.358 #18 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


Hello Diana, and welcome here.

Your two shots are nice, but I would say that in the first one, the background is weak, and in the second one, the foreground is weak (and the lighthouse could stand to be closer). Clearly you have the idea that in a wide angle photo, there needs to be both foreground and background interest, so I think all that is really missing is to combine the two. A little more patience and perseverance, and scouting for location. You already seem to be experimenting with location for a dramatic perspective. Shooting a 21mm lens is technically tricky, since it includes so much. Perhaps it would be easier to shoot with a 35mm to start? Which lenses did you buy, btw? My guess from the chat around here: 21, 35, 50 MP 100 MP, or if you prefer gentler rendering: 21, 28, 50P, 85P.

There are of course rules which can be broken, but I would say learn how to do it the traditional way first, and once you are strong, start breaking rules until you find your personal style.

I would also recommend that you spend a little time learning more about processing, possibly just sharpening and colour tweaking to start with. Finally, adding a subtle black or white frame gives a photo a lot more presence.

Good luck with the learning.

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Apr 18, 2011 at 07:23 AM
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p.358 #19 · p.358 #19 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


Edgars Kalnins wrote:
nice comparison, carstenw! the 50M shot does seem to be more saturated and with greater DOF. However, if I look at the bark, the planar seems a bit sharper. Will chack again later.


That's my misfocus. I focused the Planar slightly in front of the MP. At f/2, the Makro-Planar is always sharper, in my experience so far. I expect they would start to pull even around f/4-f/5.6, but I haven't tested that.



Apr 18, 2011 at 07:24 AM
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p.358 #20 · p.358 #20 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


Diana, congrats on new gar!! I second Carsten's advice, except to say that your early Zeiss shots are much better than mince were when I got started; so I wish you well!


Apr 18, 2011 at 07:40 AM
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