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p.1 #1 · book printing - revisited


I'd like to start a discussion about everyone's experiences with photo book printing. I've done this in the past (about a year ago) and have since had new experiences. Also, I am wondering if new or better companies exist. Here's a list of the book printing companies that I've seen mentioned here before. Please let us know your thoughts on any that you have used, and please recommend any others that may come to mind.


  1. pikto
  2. apple iphoto
  3. asuka
  4. my publisher
  5. mpix
  6. myCanvas (through SmugMug)
  7. blurb (also available through SmugMug)
  8. white glove books


My original thread was here, if anyone wants to read it: http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/726293/0


Dec 30, 2009 at 01:38 AM
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Here's why I'm starting the topic again... I have had recent experiences with Blurb that leave me looking for a new book printing vendor, and now it is no longer only a personal interest, but for my clients as well.

I needed to get 5 books from Blurb for Christmas... these were personal, and gifts. They shipped on time, but on receipt we noticed that the pages were glued in place to the binding, and were coming out... on all 5 books. Blurb was prompt to agree to reprint, and they gave me a pre-addressed label to return the 5 books.

The reprint almost certainly came from a different print shop. The pages were now firmly bound with a stitch binding, and the books had a beefier feel to them. That said, black was my primary background color throughout the books, and many pages had a white stain (small) on them. It almost looked like a water drop that had lifted the ink off the pages.

I accepted the books as is because I was now out of time for the holidays, and to be honest, the books were almost "good enough" for personal use. I would not have presented them to a client. I did write Blurb to give them feedback, and they again, politely and promptly offered to reprint at no expense to me. I cannot complain about their customer service, but their actual production is a bit of a concern to me now.

It should be noted that my book was 158 pages, premium paper, and image-wrap covers. The blurb limit seems to be 160 pages, so maybe the 158 premium pages were too much, but Blurb should have told me that in advance.

I should also say that although my site is a smugmug site, I did not order these books through the smugmug interface... I had the bones of the book already available to me from a previous purchase directly from Blurb last year.

All this said, I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts and experience with book printers this year. I think I will be trying Asuka or Pikto next.


Dec 30, 2009 at 01:38 AM
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For Coffee Table photo books I like WHCC. The images are very good and appear to be color correct. Thay can't do 100 pages or even close. I think 50 or 60 is the most. Black River Imaging does a nice job and also Full Color. Can't beat lay flat pages that look like real photos delivered in 3-4 days from WHCC.

Dec 30, 2009 at 09:41 PM
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jefferies1 wrote:
For Coffee Table photo books I like WHCC. The images are very good and appear to be color correct. Thay can't do 100 pages or even close. I think 50 or 60 is the most. Black River Imaging does a nice job and also Full Color. Can't beat lay flat pages that look like real photos delivered in 3-4 days from WHCC.


Another member mentioned Black River Imaging too. Their site sure looks like the ship quality.


Dec 31, 2009 at 01:31 AM
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MpixPro for me. I just switched to them and have been stunned by their service. I have received tech support at 2:00 am. Books damaged by Fedex were replaced (in my hands) in 48 hours. $4 overnight on any order under $100, free if it's over $100. Their lay-flat books are beautiful. I can't remember the last business that has impressed me like MpixPro has.

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I've done a number of Blurb books, and have used Black River Imaging...and Leather Craftsmen for wedding albums. For me, I feel like I get what I pay for in each case. The layflat pages with glossy laminated pages from BRI are killer--the images just pop off the page. The binding is high quality, excellent contrast/color etc. But the cost is about 4-5 times what the Blurb cost is, and even then there is a max page count of about 80 pages for layflat form BRI.

So I try to use the highest quality option that my project can afford. If it's a book that I will only sell one or two copies then I can often justify the cost and pass it on to the customer--and quality is superb. If I'm trying to sell multiple copies (5, 10, 25 copies, sports teams, etc) price pressures usually force me to go with Blurb because the end user selling price has to be lower. Simply determine if your objective is the best quality attainable, or the lowest cost attainable.


Jan 01, 2010 at 05:21 PM
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I just finished two books of 100 pages (large size) and the color and turn around was perfect. I had the books in four days and the color was spot on. I often use page layout program such as indesign and then just import the pages in mypublisher, as this allows other layouts than the included templates in MyPub. They have printed 7 books for me and I have no complaints other than poor customer service contact time.

Jan 03, 2010 at 05:09 AM
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Try H&H Color Labs "Black Tie Press" coffee table books. They are available in soft cover, hard cover (non-photo) and photo hard cover books. Very nice books and very well bound. (heavy gauge staples + glued) They also offer other digital press products using the same processes so you can get multiple products that match in color and paper finish. And you can get a $50 print credit towards your first order if you wanted to try one out "risk free". Turnaround from them has been under 5 days for anything i've ever ordered from them.

As someone else mentioned the BRI books. H&H also offers lay flat pages with or without glossy UV coating, linen pages and satin pages with or without velvet touch lamination. Hard photo cover options are glossy or velvet touch. Soft cover books are glossy UV coated covers with satin pages. (You'll need to download their ordering software, it gives you all of the possible options for sizes, paper types and cover types that can be combine together.)

As for page counts, I'm not sure if you'll get many places that can handle 150+ page custom books like that.


Jan 03, 2010 at 06:49 AM
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p.1 #9 · book printing - revisited


long time since anyone has posted to this thread, but I found this very detailed review valuable:

http://www.digitalhomethoughts.com/news/show/97676/the-great-photo-book-round-up-review-who-makes-the-best-photo-books.html


Apr 08, 2010 at 01:51 AM
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