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p.1 #1 · ‘L’- Effects


Hi,

I have observed that Canon ‘L’ lenses produce a lot better colors (and contrast) than the ‘Non-L’ ones. Some people may disagree with me, but this is my personal experience.

Is it possible to duplicate ‘L’- effects in PP? If so, would you please explain it?

Thanks in advance,

Max


Nov 29, 2009 at 01:40 PM
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p.1 #2 · ‘L’- Effects


Really? After PP+ printing to 24x16'' i've been asking a lot of people if they can tell me which print was taken with an L lens...and they always get it wrong-they think the photo taken with a 4th hand £50 nikkor prime is the L lens-lol-I used to own a canon body+24-105mm(£800), but not any more D700 all the way. 'L' lenses ARE hype hype hype. IMHO.

Nov 29, 2009 at 01:54 PM
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p.1 #3 · ‘L’- Effects


Is it possible to duplicate ‘L’- effects in PP? If so, would you please explain it?

Thanks in advance,

Max

Yes- if you have time which you should have if you are printing-Nik color efx pro+vivenza.


Nov 29, 2009 at 01:56 PM
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p.1 #4 · ‘L’- Effects


It's not quite on topic, but I've gone with Ls because:

1) I find that you have to worry less about aperture "sweet spots" to avoid CA, blurry edges etc...

2) build quality - pleasure of use and ruggedness

3) better local contrast and colour - sometimes

4) resale value and low depreciation if cared for - (admittedly a minor factor)

I realize I'm generalizing and there are many, many excellent non-L lenses out there. I use all zooms, though, and I'm generally a "family event" photographer. I have to be fast, compromise on lighting to get a shot of something cute - I'm not shooting landscapes with tripods and "sweet spot" f-stops or studio strobes.

An on-topic point being that only one of those four reasons could even possibly be implemented in Photoshop. Usually USM or smart sharpening, HIRALOAM sharpening (called "clarity" in ACR) and some saturation might make up the differences in colour and contrast. Applications like PTlens and some of the ACR lens correction features might help with CA and fringing.

At the end of the day the 'L' choice for me was not just about A/B double-blind comparing enlargements trying to spot the L but a combination of factors.



Nov 29, 2009 at 04:22 PM
 



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p.1 #5 · ‘L’- Effects


..and a ridiculous price for something you can do in PP, but if you need them to be perfect straight out of camera then it's justified.

Nov 29, 2009 at 07:38 PM
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p.1 #6 · ‘L’- Effects


I find image colours are far more affected by the white balance setting than the lens, and this varies so much that I rarely have what I'd call the right colours without doing some work. Auto WB is so easily fooled and any other setting demands that I know what to use before I shoot. There are ways around that but they take work at the shooting stage - e.g. shoot a grey card or white card in the same light - so that there is something to set WB with later on. The result is that I could not tell you what effects each lens has on colours because it is largely insignificant compared to what the lighting and the WB do.

On top of that I find that most people over cook colours by cranking up colour saturation beyond what is natural regardless of the lens they used. Even the "standard" camera profiles do that. I'm old fashioned and prefer realistic "neutral" colours to "artistic" colours.

Lens contrast, or the lack of it, can sometimes be overcome with the application of local contrast enhancement. That could be called other things in some programs (e.g. "clarity" or "definition") but it can also be created with unsharp mask by using a low amount (say 10 percent) and a large radius (large as in 50 pixels or more - far more than you would use for sharpening). This has minimal effect on the overall contrast of the image (unlike using the contrast control) but seems to give better contrast at edges or in areas containing details. It works well in a fairly natural looking way, and again "natural" is what I like. If I can't have natural then I at least insist on "plausible".

There's no doubt that a better lens gives a better starting point for any further processing, especially for shots taken at or near maximum aperture where the resolution is generally superior, but whether it matters or not varies a lot with subject detail and print size and viewing conditions plus the viewer. Even a high-noise low-ISO image will look sharper to most people simply because the noise gives some artificial fine detail to look at. I guess my lenses are all fairly good and so I have not come across one that adds a definite colour cast that I'd easily notice. I have had no trouble telling a sharper lens from a softer one in an image with fine detail unless the effect has been masked by a slow shutter speed or poor shooting technique or different apertures. While post processing (especially sharpening) will enhance many photos from ordinary lenses it only needs to be applied in a less obvious manner if the lens is sharp to begin with. Also it cannot create sharpness from nothing - it needs something to work with and again that's why a sharp lens helps with fine details.

cheers,
- Alan


Nov 30, 2009 at 03:05 PM
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p.1 #7 · ‘L’- Effects


True, up to a point, but it is more to do with using your camera properly/technique.

Nov 30, 2009 at 04:42 PM
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p.1 #8 · ‘L’- Effects


bakka303 wrote:
True, up to a point, but it is more to do with using your camera properly/technique.


Your entitled to your opinion but the truth is there are a some exceptionally good lenses and you will not be able to match the images they produce with proper camera technique and a lower quality lens even with post processing for the better images can be made even better with post processing. These exceptionally good lenses have very high price tags that most can not justify since very affordable lenses these days are quite sharp, even zoom lenses and they produce very acceptable images. Canon, Nikon, Olympus, Sigma etc. all make very good lenses. Also their lenses with outrageously high price tags are aimed at those that demand the very best and are willing to pay a premium price for such equipment. While the profit margin on these lenses is most likely very high it not a high volume market. these lens makers make more with their high volume lower cost products lenses and bodies. Their pocket cameras with fixed lenses is most likely where they make the most money.


Nov 30, 2009 at 06:45 PM
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