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p.6 #1 · Einsteins 640....Dec??

Paul Buff wrote:
Seems like there are a lot of manufacturing experts on this forum.

Sad isn't it. These dudes and dudets seem to know it all but don't know jack.

Paul Buff wrote:
As far as reverse compatibility with the 20 year old analog interface . . . . what can I say . . . this technology won't support Einsteins capabilities. How come my new iMac won't run OS7? Gee . . . DOS was pretty good - pcs ought to be able to run it, along with Photoshop V1.

I totally agree with this. At some point you have to let go and move on. LPA Design (PockeWizard) made the decision to make the new TT1 and TT5 triggers work with the old ones. Look were it has gotten them! I wish they had left the old behind to go into the new so I and many others would be happy with the new triggers. As of now the triggers are much like the older ebay triggers. grrrrrrr

Though I can't afford the new PB lights, I do keep an eye on what's going on and hope for the best (earliest) so you folks would stop complaining.......until you find something else to cry about.

Dec 18, 2009 at 03:37 PM

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p.6 #2 · Einsteins 640....Dec??

Paul Buff wrote:
The info I have provided has all come from a barrage of "when's it coming, what does it do" and that includes a call to me yesterday from Rob Galbraith. Ask me no questions I'll tell you no lies. Ask me a zillion questions and I guess I'm fool enough to answer them as truthfully as I can. Some like my openness, replete with mistakes and missed schedules and others love to say I told you so, Buff is a fool, a liar a cheat, a manipulator - you name it.

I think you're doing the best you can. Now I understand why Nikon tends to not say anything at all until they release the product. While mostly I just need Big Power at an affordable price, I can see some use for me to have at least one very short duration monolight with modest power. I am considering buying one.

Kent in SD

Dec 18, 2009 at 03:45 PM

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p.6 #3 · Einsteins 640....Dec??

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Nothing has changed in the schematics and the prototypes work 100% and have for a couple of months. We are debugging the pre-production boards and finding a few drafting mistakes, etc. New boards take a few days.

Things have improved a lot w/ board respin times

Are the boards multilayer or two layer? And are the drafting mistakes mechanical or electrical? Mostly idle curiosity questions. I'm just happy there aren't any big bugs...

Dec 18, 2009 at 03:54 PM

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p.6 #4 · Einsteins 640....Dec??

cordellwillis wrote:
At some point you have to let go and move on. LPA Design (PockeWizard) made the decision to make the new TT1 and TT5 triggers work with the old ones. Look were it has gotten them! I wish they had left the old behind to go into the new so I and many others would be happy with the new triggers. As of now the triggers are much like the older ebay triggers. grrrrrrr

So what evidence, exactly, do you have that backward compatibility is the issue with the new PWs?

Dec 18, 2009 at 08:25 PM

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So what evidence, exactly, do you have that backward compatibility is the issue with the new PWs?

If the latest PWs had instead used a frequency closer to what RP chose, or any frequency far enough from the range that causes transmission attenuation from the PWs due to Canon's EMI, range and reliability would have been much better.

Dec 18, 2009 at 09:06 PM

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p.6 #6 · Einsteins 640....Dec??

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miccullen wrote:
So what evidence, exactly, do you have that backward compatibility is the issue with the new PWs?

If the latest PWs had instead used a frequency closer to what RP chose, or any frequency far enough from the range that causes transmission attenuation from the PWs due to Canon's EMI, range and reliability would have been much better.

+1 Yes, the evidence that folks across the pond will not have (or have very little) RF issues because of the different frequency used for the type of communication the new Wizards work at.

Dec 18, 2009 at 09:55 PM

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p.6 #7 · Einsteins 640....Dec??

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miccullen wrote:
So what evidence, exactly, do you have that backward compatibility is the issue with the new PWs?

If the latest PWs had instead used a frequency closer to what RP chose, or any frequency far enough from the range that causes transmission attenuation from the PWs due to Canon's EMI, range and reliability would have been much better.

And given that PW have said that they didn't realise that the freq was a problem, (the flashes they bought to test it all with didn't give them issues), should they have just changed it at random? To what end? That's not about backward-compatibility, that's about issues not showing up in testing.

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Dec 18, 2009 at 10:01 PM

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p.6 #8 · Einsteins 640....Dec??

cordellwillis wrote:

+1 Yes, the evidence that folks across the pond will not have (or have very little) RF issues because of the different frequency used for the type of communication the new Wizards work at.

You realise they have to work inside a defined range of frequencies set by the FCC, they can't just pick one that they like?

Dec 18, 2009 at 10:06 PM

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p.6 #9 · Einsteins 640....Dec??

Dear bacilonur

I believe the discounts still apply.

I haven't seen any news to the contrary.

--Jaddie

Dec 18, 2009 at 10:25 PM

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p.6 #10 · Einsteins 640....Dec??

miccullen wrote:
bacilonur wrote:
miccullen wrote:
So what evidence, exactly, do you have that backward compatibility is the issue with the new PWs?

If the latest PWs had instead used a frequency closer to what RP chose, or any frequency far enough from the range that causes transmission attenuation from the PWs due to Canon's EMI, range and reliability would have been much better.

And given that PW have said that they didn't realise that the freq was a problem, (the flashes they bought to test it all with didn't give them issues), should they have just changed it at random? To what end? That's not about backward-compatibility, that's about issues not showing up in testing.

In defense of LPA, a manufacturer, particularly in a small industry like this, cannot possibly dissect and analyze every possible piece of equipment it might come in contact with. In this case I would have to suggest Nikon (a gigantic consumer manufacturer) is likely not in compliance with FCC and other regulations concerning EMI.

In this same area my 2.4GHz Mac Airport and Motorola router are useless around any sort of 2.4GHz Band equipment . . . won't work at all within 40' of a 2.4GHz phone (I had to toss them all), yet we receive no complaints about such sources interfering with our 2.4GHz CyberSync or the 2.4GHz Skyport system (same chip, different coding. Does that mean Buff and Elinchrom have better engineering and more testing than Apple and Motorola? I hardly think so. It's Murphy's Law of cyberspace. And how come I had to junk my $60,000 Audi S4 because it's electronic "safety features" rendered it an accident waiting to happen and Audi couldn't fix it or admit it?

Welcome to the 21st century (I think PWs problems really come from global warming - er - climate change. It's all Exxon's fault.

Dec 19, 2009 at 05:40 AM

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p.6 #11 · Einsteins 640....Dec??

maczilla wrote:
Dear bacilonur

I believe the discounts still apply.

I haven't seen any news to the contrary.

--Jaddie
Yes they do - as do the trade backs, albeit a bit delayed.

Dec 19, 2009 at 05:42 AM

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p.6 #12 · Einsteins 640....Dec??

Mr. Buff,

Thanks for the updates.

Cheers,
pjordan

Dec 19, 2009 at 06:40 AM

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p.6 #13 · Einsteins 640....Dec??

Thanks for the update. I would much rather be in the loop about a product's development than to be kept in the dark until it's finally available. Since I will need a new light for an event in February, I ordered a B800 with some other goodies on Friday just to be safe. I'm still planning on picking up an Einstein when it's available though.

Dec 20, 2009 at 04:17 AM

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p.6 #14 · Einsteins 640....Dec??

miccullen wrote:
cordellwillis wrote:

+1 Yes, the evidence that folks across the pond will not have (or have very little) RF issues because of the different frequency used for the type of communication the new Wizards work at.

You realise they have to work inside a defined range of frequencies set by the FCC, they can't just pick one that they like?

Ummmm, yeahhhh. They have that to do but they also have the responsibility to make sure it doesn't disrupt other communications (ie 580EX, 430EX, phones, etc). There effort is commendable to keep backwards compatibility, but it placed limits and huge problems no less.

Dec 20, 2009 at 04:53 AM

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p.6 #15 · Einsteins 640....Dec??

Paul Buff wrote:

In defense of LPA, a manufacturer, particularly in a small industry like this, cannot possibly dissect and analyze every possible piece of equipment it might come in contact with...

Agreed, but some 'say' their sample table was small. Manufacturers change specs all of the time with the same models and the public doesn't know it. Even I know this and I don't manufacture anything; I'm just suspicious enough of manufacturers to not trust them

Also, many gut feelings is that LPA rushed things along because of RP efforts. Though it could be a simple timing coincidence, but in the publics unrealistic eye that's the way it looks. After all one would think that LPA would have jumped on the radio TTL thing a long while ago.

I'm not arguing with you (Paul) or anyone else on the issue. I'm actually for any form of technology that helps of move forward even if it does requiring dumping the old. I just wish LPA design would have worked out much better since I purchased the new system....I'm still holding onto mine solely because of the USB port to upgrade the firmware....hint, hint, Paul

Dec 20, 2009 at 05:01 AM

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p.6 #16 · Einsteins 640....Dec??

When you use a USB port to update you can quickly become the victim of the computer makers and can end up having to write new USB programs every time they change their system rules, This is why we chose to do it with a micro SD card . . . no computer software is needed.

Also, electronics are rapidly evolving . . . more and more into the hands of mega companies. A product that took three months to develop 20 years back is much more difficult to develop today. And there are a hundred times the number of potential compatibility and interference issues, to say nothing of regulations. A company like Nikon ain't about to tell a company like LPA when they make changes that might affect compatibility, particularly when one company is unaware another company is attempting a compatible product. This is free-market capitalism and is what spurs innovation. There will always be winners and losers in this system.

Dec 20, 2009 at 06:21 AM

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p.6 #17 · Einsteins 640....Dec??

Not much left of December. I guess it will be next year. If not in January then I may have to jump on the Elinchrom bus.

Dec 31, 2009 at 04:05 PM

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Jan 01, 2010 at 02:29 AM

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p.6 #19 · Einsteins 640....Dec??

I'd rather any product was right, than fast. V1.0 of the PLM's were a bit fast. I don't think Paul will make a mistake with the Einsteins, but it takes time to make sure that all is well.

Jan 01, 2010 at 09:09 AM

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p.6 #20 · Einsteins 640....Dec??

Rob Galbraith and I have both recently seen a couple of test shots made with an Einstein by PCB relating to flash duration. Whether they were made with a test bed or production line ready Einstein I don't know, but I suspect we are closer than the skeptics think.

Jan 01, 2010 at 03:55 PM

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