I think this link is what your really looking for. A successful fashion photographer making the cash and getting the girls with little knowledge of photography.
Actually, he's way up there, as he passed away two years ago.
Monte taught a class I attended back in 1979 and I have always had nothing but the highest respect for him. He did a lot for the industry as a teacher, but as to the OP's question, the definition of success need to be defined a bit more before any reasonable answer can be given.
So that makes her an "unsuccessful" photographer? Like When Willie Nelson was broke and owed 7 million to the IRS he was then an "unsuccessful" singer songwriter. It's not all about the money...she may be unsuccessful at handling money (or choosing people to handle money) but not in making photographs.
jhartman wrote:
"Probably Monte Zucker is up there."
Actually, he's way up there, as he passed away two years ago.
Monte taught a class I attended back in 1979 and I have always had nothing but the highest respect for him. He did a lot for the industry as a teacher, but as to the OP's question, the definition of success need to be defined a bit more before any reasonable answer can be given.
Monte is by far my favorite photographer, and I'm sad that he passed. I try not to get too hung up though on what other people did, since inevitably someone else will do it, I look at what I do.
So that makes her an "unsuccessful" photographer? Like When Willie Nelson was broke and owed 7 million to the IRS he was then an "unsuccessful" singer songwriter. It's not all about the money...she may be unsuccessful at handling money (or choosing people to handle money) but not in making photographs.
I didn't say she was a bad photographer. Most assume that money=success. Whilst there is nothing wrong with that, there's many definitions of it. I'm assuming (I know, my fault) the thread starter is thinking "money". So I posted with that in mind.
If you determine success as how many people know you and the prolific impact you have on it, then yeah, that's her. However, I'm going to say that being 24 million in the hole, and just barely getting out of the fact that all of her future copyrights were going to be owned by the equity company she dealt with is not a success story.
RobertLynn wrote:
I didn't say she was a bad photographer. Most assume that money=success. Whilst there is nothing wrong with that, there's many definitions of it. I'm assuming (I know, my fault) the thread starter is thinking "money". So I posted with that in mind.
If you determine success as how many people know you and the prolific impact you have on it, then yeah, that's her. However, I'm going to say that being 24 million in the hole, and just barely getting out of the fact that all of her future copyrights were going to be owned by the equity company she dealt with is not a success story.
I don`t beleive in determining success in photography monetarily. Seems kind of shallow to me....but it seems your saying you would consider her successful if she would have managed her money better. It also seems to me to even get 24 mill in the hole you must have made a lot of money along the way. Then this must mean even by your standards ( need to have made a lot of money to determine success ) she is very successful. Just poor at managing her money.......P
I didn't say my definition of success is cash. I said I assumed the OP meant that.
There's no doubt she's made a ton of cash, and you couldn't measure just "debt" as your standard either. Because if you count my home and car, I'm like 50 grand in the hole. Does that mean I'm more successful than Annie? Not at all. She probably makes by far, more in a year than I make in 10.
My personal opinion is that Monte Zucker is one of the most successful photographers. While I know he's passed on.
See, this discussion can go so far and in so many directions. Landscape, stock, stills, money earned, people reached. I mean Ansel Adams is one of the most well known photographers out there, but I think if you measured the money he made during his life, even with "inflation", it'd be much lower than someone like Annie.
Maybe my standard is messed up, because no, I don't think money is the only measure of success, but I think being near bankruptcy isn't good either.
RobertLynn wrote:
I didn't say she was a bad photographer. Most assume that money=success.
I'm pretty sure that Monte Zucker never had a contract with Vanity Fair that's reportedly estimated at $3mil/year+ and wasn't able to bill $1mil+ for a job or had a multi-year waiting list for portrait shoots.
She may have grossly mismanaged her money and expenses but she's still billing in more than pretty much anyone else. If you want to base it purely on money, then the judgment of a successful photographer should be how much you're able to bill for your work...whether or not you're able to hang onto your money is a judgment of a successful businessperson.
