thrice wrote:
I had aches in my middle finger for a couple of days after shooting a whole day non-stop (wedding) with the 5D-II + flash + small lens ... I can't imagine how pros do it day in day out. Every time I took a grab shot with the M6 + flash + 35/1.4 it was so relieving
ulrikft2 wrote:
Noone is claiming that M-cameras are nice for weedings "purely on account of its size and weight"... that kind of strawmen is why I don't bother "arguing" with you on leicas RIchard
Still not close Richard.. it is a rather ugly strawman...
and on your other points, first of all: focusing off center with manual glass without live view is... well... depending on vf/screen on and off to say the least. Focus recompose works just as well for me on the d700, no reason to believe that the same won't apply for a rf. And well, blaming a manual RF-camera for not having AF.. do we really.. really have to go there?
Anyway, Richard, there is something else you have forgotten, the original post:
"I have a lovely canon system with a bag full of great lenses, but it doesnt get used enough because it's too big..."
So, "something else" does not mean a Canon, since he specifically has a Canon and it is too big. Something else means something which is smaller than a Canon, like an M9.
I never used the off-centre focus points, way quicker to focus-recompose for varying compositions.
You should tell John Laham that no one shoots weddings with an M, he somehow consistently gets 5 figures for the weddings he shoots, and he uses an M9 and an M8, and before that used an M6.
Sadly I can't wear a big jacket to a wedding, typically they require formal attire. I also make my friends uncomfortable at social gatherings with a DSLR, they don't care about my little M6, even with the nokton on it.
As for low light and IQ, well we'll see when I get one won't we.
Oh and sorry if I gave the impression I want to shoot social events or weddings, I want to shoot landscape. The vastly superior wide angles available for the rangefinder system, the incredibly compact telephotos up to usable focal lengths for landscape, the overall size and beautiful handling are all I need. Obviously I have the nokton for some low light shallow DOF fun. I feel so lucky that I don't need wizz bang AF ridiculous ISO wizardry to enjoy shooting I can handhold shots with fuji pro 800Z with the f/1.1 nokton in basically any lighting conditions and get results I'm happy with
Here is a compact snapshot version of the 5D using the 45mm Tessar. This was taken with the M8 without UV/IR filter as evidenced by the strap. Also, note the focus tab, ala old Leica lenses. http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2726/4102608957_727aa34f4e_o.jpg
Snapping off 2-3-4-5-6--7 shots while focusing trough can be done, hitting 1 out of 2 when you do single shots too of course. But I don't see it as a very much better solution than focus/recompose.
ulrikft2 wrote:
And well, blaming a manual RF-camera for not having AF.. do we really.. really have to go there?
Who said anything about blame? It's simply a statement of fact that the M9 doesn't AF, and doesn't have any visual means for focussing off-centre, and it can only bracket at 2fps, and it has about a stop less good results at iso 3200 than the other cameras we're talking about. For the low light work that I often have to do those constraints make it not the best choice. Whether those issues matter to any of us is a personal thing, but they bear talking about. I don't think 'blame' is being placed.
Yeah Brainiac, it was just a joke. I was trying to dig up some more of your grain laden indoor shots to boost the joke a little. Could not find them though. No harm at all intended. Friends? Foes? Friendly foes?
kosmoskatten wrote:
Yeah Brainiac, it was just a joke. I was trying to dig up some more of your grain laden indoor shots to boost the joke a little. Could not find them though. No harm at all intended. Friends? Foes? Friendly foes?
For ISO 8000 it looks great.
That's OK Henrik - I know you were being nice - you always are. Sometimes I just feel like responding in a humourless way because it makes a nice break from being so funny all the time.
Personally I think noise levels today - in almost any decent modern camera - are so low that one can produce pretty darn good real life prints in situations where photographers were really struggling before.
I very seldom creep above ISO 800 and I have never crossed the ISO 1600 line myself.
But I am a bright guy which helps out in those murky situations.
brainiac wrote:
That's OK Henrik - I know you were being nice - you always are. Sometimes I just feel like responding in a humourless way because it makes a nice break from being so funny all the time.
Touche Richard! That was a jab and a stab in one punchline - good on ya!
EDIT: I must remember to take your posts with a salt of grain.
thrice wrote:
orangefirefish, I see we both have the 25/2.8 Biogon, great lens I used to own the fantastic 35mm summarit and see that you have the 50, is it as good as Sean Reid's review implies? It apparently has a little focus shift but that doesn't bother me too much (I have a 35 lux asph).
Cheers,
Dan
The 50 summarit is very, very nice. What I like most about it is the size- almost as small as the Elmarit 28 ASPH- super portable and great image quality to boot. I haven't read (and don't subscribe to Sean Reid) but from what I've seen the 50 summarit can definitely hold its ground against the summicron (from 2.5 and on of course). Haven't seen the focus shift- I pretty much shoot my lenses wide open unless I have to stop down (max shutter speed on the MP is 1/1000)
I use my 35 biogon more and more though- because it's a darn good lens and because the 35mm FOV suits my shooting more.
orangefirefish wrote:
I feel you- (snip)
There are times for DSLRs, and moments for RFs. Choose the tool that fits the type of work you do.
That's true. I think the revelation for me is that 80% of shooting I do could be happily and more effectively done with a RF and that the D700 is gonna be there for the other stuff like wireless flash, frame rates above 2FPS, macro and close-focus shooting, remote-triggering and intervalometry, super-high ISOs and auto focus. One man's basics are another man's bells and whistles, I suppose. What a liberation to realize that all that I just mentioned—especially AF—are not basic requirements of (my) photography.
I had previously considered ISO 6400 a basic requirement (once available) until the notions of sharp, handheld photos at 1/8 or 1/15s became a reality.
Today, in body IS in the A900, which works even with old manual lenses has been a revelation and I have totally re-evaluated my opinion of it. For more or less stationary subjects in low light this has meant that I can confidently keep ISO values lower - i.e. within the cameras reasonable and acceptable noise limits - and still get the shot.
In the beginning it seemed only slow aperture zooms seemed to be fitted with IS negating the benefit of IS as compared to fast primes but today it really works well.
I think the Leica RF:s would hit their peak when the camera is around 25MP, capable of low noise ISO 6400 coupled with Live View and in body IS that works well. I guess that would be the Leica M11 - or M10.2. Or maybe they could just start over and call it the M1.
kosmoskatten wrote:
I think the Leica RF:s would hit their peak when the camera is around 25MP, capable of low noise ISO 6400 coupled with Live View and in body IS that works well. I guess that would be the Leica M11 - or M10.2. Or maybe they could just start over and call it the M1.
Yeah, but the Leica M system is not updated according to any laws that govern the rest of the photographic universe. A camera by the odd, for the odd.
kosmoskatten wrote:
Today, in body IS in the A900, which works even with old manual lenses has been a revelation and I have totally re-evaluated my opinion of it. For more or less stationary subjects in low light this has meant that I can confidently keep ISO values lower - i.e. within the cameras reasonable and acceptable noise limits - and still get the shot.
In the beginning it seemed only slow aperture zooms seemed to be fitted with IS negating the benefit of IS as compared to fast primes but today it really works well.
I think the Leica RF:s would hit their peak when the camera is around 25MP, capable of low noise ISO 6400 coupled with Live View and in body IS that works well. I guess that would be the Leica M11 - or M10.2. Or maybe they could just start over and call it the M1. ...Show more →
Do you think they can put all that in a the current body? They would need a much larger battery, probably move to a CF card, and at least a 3" screen.
