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p.3 #1 · DPR has their 7D review up

after reading DPRs review I want a 7D even more now..is this wrong

Nov 07, 2009 at 07:14 PM

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p.3 #2 · DPR has their 7D review up

Elisha82 wrote:
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Well some of us have both 5D2 and 7D

No arguments there.
Most bashers either only tried it for a brief moment or don't even own one.

Why is it that these threads always turn into pissing matches between the last & the latest? And it seems to me exagerated claims get made by both sides. Obviously Canon consider these camera's to be aimed at different market segments, I'm not sure why there is a need to declare a "best"... Surely it's all relative to what you want to do with the camera?

Nov 07, 2009 at 07:37 PM

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p.3 #3 · DPR has their 7D review up

Elisha82:
Seems like those who paid 1k more for the 5DII need to keep commenting on how much better their camera is when the comparison is not from a level playing field.

I am still not certain why you would look at crop at FF cameras as separate entities. I am looking for the best IQ and just waiting to see how 7D compares with 5D mkII and 5D. I could not care less about video and live view but the viewfinder and focus quality 0f 7D play a role for me.
You did not say what cameras you are comparing it to.

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Nov 07, 2009 at 07:43 PM

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p.3 #4 · DPR has their 7D review up

It's human nature...my gun is bigger and better than your gun

. On the hand there are people like..it has to be perfect...perfect. it has to be tested by RG, DXO, DPREVIEW, CIA, KGB, etc ..and CHEAP

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globalkiwi wrote:
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Well some of us have both 5D2 and 7D

Nov 07, 2009 at 07:43 PM

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... until 3D (5D II with 7D features) shows up.

5D2 + 7D features = Less sales not only on 5D2 but also 7D and 1D4 = not gonna happen.

It'll happen, but not until the 7D matures and the 1D4 has been out a while. When the sales of those two models taper, then you'll see the 5D3, or whatever it'll be called.

Nov 07, 2009 at 07:45 PM

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I am still not certain why you would look at crop at FF cameras as separate entities. I am looking for the best IQ and just waiting to see how 7D compares with 5D mkII and 5D.

And I'm not at all certain why you're going to let DxO make the decision for you instead of trusting your own eyes.

It's just a funny world, I guess.

Nov 07, 2009 at 07:48 PM

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p.3 #7 · DPR has their 7D review up

Unless I am missing something the absolute resolution of the 7D is impressive. It should be pretty good on the 800/5.6, no?

EBH

Nov 07, 2009 at 07:50 PM

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Well some of us have both 5D2 and 7D so what is going on with us then?

Yep - one fast and the other vast!

Nov 07, 2009 at 07:50 PM

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p.3 #9 · DPR has their 7D review up

I need to know if my girlfriend will pass DXO test

Nov 07, 2009 at 07:50 PM

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keithreeder:
And I'm not at all certain why you're going to let DxO make the decision for you instead of trusting your own eyes.

It may be funny to you but I am not going to buy the camera just to test it. There are so many conflicting reports and tests that (after spending a month looking at that) I am just waiting for numbers.

Nov 07, 2009 at 10:17 PM

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p.3 #11 · DPR has their 7D review up

The mazing skibum5 is talking about is probably caused by the halftone dots in the printed picture of the lady, along with color samples. So it's not a valid complaint...

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musclepics wrote:
The high ISO samples still look to be about 1+ stop behind what I'm getting with the 1D3, but for a 1.6x cropper it's more than acceptable, and better than any other camera in it's class (ie, D300s).

The "noise" is quite different from what I'm used to.

For example this was a 7D sample at only ISO3200, and the artifacting is pretty bad

http://a.img-dpreview.com/gallery/canoneos7d_samples/originals/img_9144_dpp.jpg

But it's no worse than the D300s, and all around the 7D is definitely a better camera than the D300s (much the same way the 1D4 is a better all around camera than the D3s).

low iso is where my 7D worries lie:

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Nov 07, 2009 at 10:18 PM

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p.3 #12 · DPR has their 7D review up

be interesting to see if they ignore the 1dmkIV like they did with the 1dmkIII

Nov 07, 2009 at 10:21 PM

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p.3 #13 · DPR has their 7D review up

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be interesting to see if they ignore the 1dmkIV like they did with the 1dmkIII

i doubt it

it was pretty bizarre they skipped over the 1D3 though

Nov 08, 2009 at 01:49 AM

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p.3 #14 · DPR has their 7D review up

The forums are full of whiners and people love to bash Canon

The RAW converters are not ready yet for 7D

Basic RAW conversion in DPP (no sharpening I no noise reduction) - Photoshop CS4, neat image for NR, smart sharpen in CS4

DRreview got it right
The 7D is a nice camera

Best nature pics ever with the 7D and 400 F5.6 / 300 F4

Nov 08, 2009 at 02:01 AM

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p.3 #15 · DPR has their 7D review up

Viewing images at greater then 100% only creates artifacts that are not in the image

Nov 08, 2009 at 02:09 AM

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Viewing images at greater then 100% only creates artifacts that are not in the image

Nov 08, 2009 at 02:09 AM

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Viewing images at greater then 100% only creates artifacts that are not in the image

Nov 08, 2009 at 02:10 AM

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p.3 #18 · DPR has their 7D review up

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It is currently the best CROP camera out at the moment bar none.

Perhaps so, actually even with the G1/G2 thing and however you deal with that, at worst, you still end up with something more than 10MP detail for sure and better noise and it does do better at high ISO so that would make it better than the 40D and most likely any other 10-12MP or under crop camera, of which pretty much all but the 50D are, regardless of whether the G1/G2 thing remains an issue or not (hopefully not though because it would be awesome to get max reach/detail at ISO100 while maintaining silky smooth flat areas) or you can live with the artifacts and pull in 18MP.

Maybe the 50D, at least for now, gives a smoother ISO100 at maximum reach though (if otherwise inferior in all ways)?

Still not sure why G1 and G2 are not balanced though since if they just balanced them as they had with all the previous canons you could flat out say it was the best crop bar none without any possible conditions at all.

Anyway gotta run.

Nov 08, 2009 at 02:12 AM

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p.3 #19 · DPR has their 7D review up

to skibum5

Very good points. I have been trying to understand, from the day when 7D was introduced, why the high ISO images are so much better than any other crop camera and why low ISO images are not that great. I also wanted to know if 18 Mpixel, 7D image, cropped to 10 Mpixels is better that the original 40D image. In other words, do we have 18 Mpixels (as good as those from lower resolution cameras) to crop or not

Nov 08, 2009 at 02:44 AM

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abqnmusa wrote:
The forums are full of whiners and people love to bash Canon
DRreview got it right
The 7D is a nice camera

None more so here where the bashing is done by Canon users.
There is a level of insecurity amongst Canon users that researched would be worthy of a Nobel prize winning Phd.
My advice? Get out and enjoy what you have

Tim

Nov 08, 2009 at 02:46 AM

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p.3 #21 · DPR has their 7D review up

sorry about the multi-postig. was not on PC

Nov 08, 2009 at 04:34 AM

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p.3 #22 · DPR has their 7D review up

abqnmusa wrote:

Viewing images at greater then 100% only creates artifacts that are not in the image

You have stated this or similar observations a few times. I don't agree with it. It is useful to be able to get greater than 100% magnification if you are trying to understand what is going on a given part of the an image. It is often very useful if you are retouching or post processing an image. In Photoshop, you can zoom in on your image and what you are seeing are the actual pixels. In fact, if you keep zooming in at some point Photoshop switches to what they call the pixel grid. This is where each pixel is shown in a grid with horizontal and vertical lines surrounding it.

I feel that using 100% or greater magnification is useful in trying to understand this artifacting problem with the 7D.

Nov 08, 2009 at 07:40 AM

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p.3 #23 · DPR has their 7D review up

Elisha82 wrote:
skibum5 wrote:
Well some of us have both 5D2 and 7D

No arguments there.
Most bashers either only tried it for a brief moment or don't even own one.
It is currently the best CROP camera out at the moment bar none.
And I'm impressed how Canon is on the ball with firmware updates.

actually messing around with the ACR 5.6 beta samples, it's actually looking like that just might largely fix the issue i was going on about, so maybe so.

Nov 08, 2009 at 10:01 AM

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UCSB wrote:
It is one of the fastest reviews I have seen posted there. One nice thing in the review is the ACR 5.6 (beta) full sized samples in the performance section. The conversions can be downloaded and reviewed. They look very nice to me. Erased my doubts out the camera's performance. Hopefully we won't have to wait much longer for the actual release of ACR 5.6. Very high ratings on the conclusions page.

I feel the same. Previously I had some issues with the various samples floating around, but Im now convinced that the performance of the sensor is first rate.

The only problem I have is with the banding at low ISO, but that seems to be caused by the use ACR beta - the same samples processed with DPP or Capture one are almost banding free.

Nov 08, 2009 at 11:52 AM

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p.3 #25 · DPR has their 7D review up

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low iso is where my 7D worries lie:

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iso100, LR3 beta conversion

their ACR 5.6 beta conversion maybe looked ok, remains to be seen

so far i think the 7D has a harsh, ugly look at low ISO using DPP and a little bit with C1 5 and especially using ACR 5.5 beta, acr 5.6 seems to be the only real hope at this point

Im certain those artifacts are caused by the beta nature of ACR/LR...Are they also present on the C1 or DPP conversions of this image?

Nov 08, 2009 at 11:58 AM


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