There has also been a rumour than Samsung has been working on one as well. WIth their connection to Pentax, their could very possibly use the K-mount...
Lotusm50 wrote:
Yes. I think $1200 would be a reasonble price. A bit on the expensive side, but you would expect to pay a bit of a premium -- just not a the high premium implicit in a $1999 price.
I agree. The images are very good but nothing exceptional for the price. My Canon Digital Rebel T1i can easily compete with these images and my Leica M8 is way ahead.
I think the image quality is GREAT!! but $1999 for a 24 f2.8 is TOO MUCH MONEY!!! They need to wake up and smell the coffee especially with Panasonic, Olympus, Sigma and Ricoh getting into the large sensor compact cams.
Well, if it doesn't sell, they will surely wake up and smell the coffee. Still, Leica has succeeded in selling cameras which the masses call overpriced time and again, so I don't think there are any foregone conclusions here...
carstenw wrote:
Well, if it doesn't sell, they will surely wake up and smell the coffee. Still, Leica has succeeded in selling cameras which the masses call overpriced time and again,
Yes, but they never really sell very many of them.
roanjohnnyc wrote:
I think the image quality is GREAT!! but $1999 for a 24 f2.8 is TOO MUCH MONEY!!! They need to wake up and smell the coffee especially with Panasonic, Olympus, Sigma and Ricoh getting into the large sensor compact cams.
Add to that 2 coming bodies from Samsung, one of them being FF. Sony is brewing something too. I wouldn't be surprised if it would include a FF as well.
Lotusm50 wrote:
Yes, but they never really sell very many of them.
They aren't laid out to, so that's just as well. By the way, if you count the P&S cameras as well, apparently the D-Lux 3 made a noticeable contribution to the bottom line, and that is a camera which also existed in a Panasonic version with very similar performance, so don't underestimate their ability to sell small cameras. The R line is where the problem was in recent times.
.25 second shutter lag! and slow AF but exceptional image quality.
I thought it was a fair and balanced review. In the end, it is a matter of how any camera fits your needs. This thread will be rewritten many times, only with different cameras in the discussion.
James R wrote:
I thought it was a fair and balanced review. In the end, it is a matter of how any camera fits your needs. This thread will be rewritten many times, only with different cameras in the discussion.
I thought it a decent review as well. I don't know how often this thread will be re-written though with 2K fixed lens P&S cameras! and I am curious as to how many here would buy this camera and what they would use it for. That shutter lag figure, even if one used manual zone focusing, seems like it would severely limit the camera as a quick street shooter - or even for general, wide angle portrait use - and the fixed 35 seems a little long for most landscape purposes. What's left?
.25 second shutter lag! and slow AF but exceptional image quality.
Yeah, he trashes it. The only good thing about it is the Sony sensor.
Terrible shutter lag, terrible LCD, bad design (no-lock dials, markings not lined up with the dials,
very weird and useless stabilization and so on...) and $2000 for all that cr@p...
If you want stabilization, the camera needs to take 2 pics... If you want RAW, you must use another format as well, low-rez LCD, slow AF, shutter lag. What this sounds like to me is not enough $$$$ in development. Given more resources, all these issues could have been taken care of, as competitors have already found solutions, and there is no reason to think that Leica people are dumber than others.
However, in a market that evolves so quickly, trying to strike out on your own (no Panasonic clone this time) with a high-cost, low-volume base always sounded awfully diffcicult. The X1 now shows it to be so.
What makes it worse is that, even before its market introduction, the X1 already feels "behind the curve". I can't see how Leica will keep up with the frantic pace of new products others (Panasonic, Olympus, Canon, Samsung) will introduce in this new premium market segment, so the relevance of the X1 is likely to be relegated to an ever smaller niche.
philber wrote:
What makes it worse is that, even before its market introduction, the X1 already feels "behind the curve". I can't see how Leica will keep up with the frantic pace of new products others (Panasonic, Olympus, Canon, Samsung) will introduce in this new premium market segment, so the relevance of the X1 is likely to be relegated to an ever smaller niche.
I think Leica should do like Zeiss and stick to what it does best, making lenses, and leave the camera/electronics part to Panasonic.
What I find the most pathetic about this camera is not the LCD, but the IS claim. This is simply ridiculous. A prestigious company like Leica should not make such false claims.
edwardkaraa wrote:
Add to that 2 coming bodies from Samsung, one of them being FF. Sony is brewing something too. I wouldn't be surprised if it would include a FF as well.
Full frame Samsung??!!! WOW!!! They will jump ahead of Pentax!!! The first company that can stick a full-frame sensor in a compact camera (without a mirror) in a body similar to the GF1 or even G1 will get my business!!!
.25 second shutter lag! and slow AF but exceptional image quality.
Just read the review too.......... yikes!!! This camera should've been introduced around the Sigma Dp1 days to gain momentum............at this point, it just looks dated.
roanjohnnyc wrote:
Full frame Samsung??!!! WOW!!! They will jump ahead of Pentax!!! The first company that can stick a full-frame sensor in a compact camera (without a mirror) in a body similar to the GF1 or even G1 will get my business!!!
Samsung aspires to be the Korean Sony. Since Sony went FF, Samsung is not going to be outdone by them. (this is my opinion, of course). Question is, will it have more than 24mp? Hopefully, at hte very least their FF sensor will have better noise characteristics than their current 14mp APS-c sensor in the Pentax K-7.
roanjohnnyc wrote:
The first company that can stick a full-frame sensor in a compact camera (without a mirror) in a body similar to the GF1 or even G1 will get my business!!!
roanjohnnyc wrote:
Just read the review too.......... yikes!!! This camera should've been introduced around the Sigma Dp1 days to gain momentum............at this point, it just looks dated.
Yes, and actually, Sean Reid, in his just published review of the X1, states that the control layout of the manual focus wheel and its usability is much better with the Sigma DP2(same layout as DP1). Apparently, to zone focus with the X1, you must use the LCD screen (because the wheel turns freely and after 2 meters, the next distance is infinity!) AND the camera does not go back to the set focus point after it has been turned off. He also found shutter lag to be over 1 sec. for a full press shot, about three times as long as the Panasonic GF-1 takes.
