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p.1 #1 · MUSIC COPYRIGHT IN SLIDESHOWS


Hello everyone please help

I know this is a old topic. I want to do DVD slideshows with music for the B&G without getting sued .
I went to this website http://photodedications.com/TermsandConditions.html www.photodedications.com

In there terms and conditions it states
Therefore, by agreeing to these terms and conditions you give Photo Dedications.com permission to purchase music on your behalf from iTunes for your own personal use to comply with music copyright laws.

Is this true can I just buy the music in itunes for the B&G and put it in a slideshow and not be sued by the music company?

Nov 04, 2009 at 04:32 PM
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What do the terms and conditions say? Does it say anything in regard to commercial use?

Nov 04, 2009 at 04:36 PM
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No go. They're trying to get around the fact that they're using the music for a commercial purpose, but it won't protect them at all if they get caught.

If they delivered a soundless slideshow, and provided *no* instructions to the bride and groom on how to purchase and add their own music and they did anyway, *maybe* that would work. Maybe. I'd have to do some research to give a measured opinion on that issue. But even if they had the B&G purchase the music themselves and provided a way for them to add the music to the slideshow, they'd be in trouble.

Nikki
--who does have a law degree, but doesn't currently practice.

Nov 04, 2009 at 05:06 PM
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I do not have a law degree, but momma always said, "If it sounds too good to be true..."

Nov 04, 2009 at 06:00 PM
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I believe the slideshow would be considered a derivative work. Without express permission for that, you are not licensed to do it.

Nov 04, 2009 at 06:11 PM
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p.1 #6 · MUSIC COPYRIGHT IN SLIDESHOWS


file this one under: breakin' the law

Nov 04, 2009 at 06:18 PM
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What about using music on a slideshow you are showing at a bridal show? You are not selling anything--just adding music to show off your work. Would that be a copyright infringement, or is it legal? I'm doing a bridal show tonight and need to know!

Jul 15, 2010 at 02:38 PM
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mulder32 wrote:
What about using music on a slideshow you are showing at a bridal show? You are not selling anything--just adding music to show off your work. Would that be a copyright infringement, or is it legal? I'm doing a bridal show tonight and need to know!


You are selling something, you are selling your work by adding the music. They can argue that the music helped you get contracts.

Jul 15, 2010 at 02:48 PM
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mulder32 wrote:
What about using music on a slideshow you are showing at a bridal show? You are not selling anything--just adding music to show off your work. Would that be a copyright infringement, or is it legal? I'm doing a bridal show tonight and need to know!


By definition you are using it to advertise for yourself, so it is copyright infringement. =( It stinks, but it's the same as if a musician was doing a show and took a bunch of photos from others and displayed it during the show. The argument could be made that he's not selling those photos, but he still needs permission.

Technically you're not even allowed to play music in your studio when clients come in unless you have a license.



Jul 15, 2010 at 02:48 PM
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p.1 #10 · MUSIC COPYRIGHT IN SLIDESHOWS


Gotcha--thanks guys!

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Is it illegal? Yes
Are you going to get Sued? No
Will your conscience allow it? ______

Jul 15, 2010 at 02:51 PM
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Here's my question - what are the rules about classics? Like, can I have a friend play pachelbel's canon on the guitar and record it and use it? I imagine I can't, however, use a Boston Pop's CD of classics just because it's the Pops playing it and they have that copyrighted?

Music gets SO confusing because of issues of who wrote the song, then who played the song.

Jul 15, 2010 at 02:56 PM
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p.1 #13 · MUSIC COPYRIGHT IN SLIDESHOWS


mulder - with the availability of inexpensive music from great companies catering specifically to photographers today, there's no reason to even skirt the law. just be a responsible business owner - use royalty free music, license through somewhere like http://www.triplescoopmusic.com/ or find an independent artist willing to work with you. simple.


Jul 15, 2010 at 02:56 PM
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DB wrote:
Here's my question - what are the rules about classics? Like, can I have a friend play pachelbel's canon on the guitar and record it and use it? I imagine I can't, however, use a Boston Pop's CD of classics just because it's the Pops playing it and they have that copyrighted?

Music gets SO confusing because of issues of who wrote the song, then who played the song.

if the copyright on the music has expired and it's in the public domain, you can have a friend record it or hire someone to record it, etc. but be careful. there are exceptions where an estate still owns the rights.

Jul 15, 2010 at 02:58 PM
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The chances of getting caught and sued are minimal but not zero. Look at some of the music file sharing cases out there. I also understand that there are periodic "bar sweeps" where broadcasters check on use of broadcast/cable TV outside of the license terms at restaurants, sports bars and the like. If the music industry felt "bridal" businesses were a problem, they could easily sting a couple into high profile and high cost "examples."

Personally, I think the music industry should make it easier and economically inviting to use music legally instead of trying these weird and difficult and expensive licensing schemes that are hard to enforce and often ignored. Whether any "artist" who hopes for copyright protection should work around other artists' rights is questionable.

Jul 15, 2010 at 03:02 PM
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DB wrote:
Here's my question - what are the rules about classics? Like, can I have a friend play pachelbel's canon on the guitar and record it and use it?

Yes, you may do this IF the music's copyright has expired. Current law says that a copyright lasts for the life of the author + 70 years. If the work was created before 1978, the copyright lasts for 95 years from the publication date. (Corporate creations are slightly different, but we're not really dealing with that here.) Pachelbel's Canon, by best knows guesses, was written in 1694, so you're safe. IF you make sure that the recording you make follows the guidelines for work-for-hire OR your friend grants over the copyright for his recording.

DB wrote:
I imagine I can't, however, use a Boston Pop's CD of classics just because it's the Pops playing it and they have that copyrighted?

Correct, unless you get permission. The Pops doesn't have a copyright on the song, but on their version, their recording of that song.

Jul 15, 2010 at 03:23 PM
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p.1 #17 · MUSIC COPYRIGHT IN SLIDESHOWS


TRIPPLESCOOP FTW

Jul 15, 2010 at 04:59 PM
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McGrattan wrote:
Is it illegal? Yes
Are you going to get Sued? No
Will your conscience allow it? ______


I'll quote you on that when the R-I-A-A come knocking.

Jul 16, 2010 at 01:00 AM
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p.1 #19 · MUSIC COPYRIGHT IN SLIDESHOWS


Winnie the FFFFUUUUUUU



This image is copyrighted by the owner

Jul 16, 2010 at 01:39 AM
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p.1 #20 · MUSIC COPYRIGHT IN SLIDESHOWS


jprezant wrote:
McGrattan wrote:
Is it illegal? Yes
Are you going to get Sued? No
Will your conscience allow it? ______


I'll quote you on that when the R-I-A-A come knocking.


Isn't that the harsh reality of the matter? Or is there some "wedding photographers stomped by the RIAA" underground I don't know about?

Jul 16, 2010 at 03:19 AM
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