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p.1 #1 · 5DMKII flaws, post pictures which were lost because of the camera


5DMKII flaws, please post your best pictures which were sadly lost through pattern noise or whatever flaw the Canon has to offer. No test shots please.

People are invited to offer solutions to safe the images or tips how to avoid the problem in the futur.

I am eager to see lots of unique images which were rendered useless by the 5D

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The thread s purpose is that we have a place to discuss problems of an excellent camera and offer solutions where possible. I am sick of people who jump in all threads with always the same irrelevant test shots.
At the same time I think with a new tool you always have to learn about limits and problems.



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Nov 03, 2009 at 03:05 PM
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p.1 #2 · 5DMKII flaws, post pictures which were lost because of the camera


If a photo has been ruined, I'm not sure how it would represent one of our "best pictures"...well at least I hope not...

A tip would be to buy a better camera

Nov 03, 2009 at 03:07 PM
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p.1 #3 · 5DMKII flaws, post pictures which were lost because of the camera


Doo-bop wrote:
5DMKII flaws, please post your best pictures which were sadly lost through pattern noise or whatever flaw the Canon has to offer. No test shots please.

People are invited to offer solutions to safe the images or tips how to avoid the problem in the futur.

I am eager to see lots of unique images which were rendered useless by the 5D

I have none.

Lots of bad pictures but none that were spoiled by the excellent camera.

Nov 03, 2009 at 03:10 PM
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p.1 #4 · 5DMKII flaws, post pictures which were lost because of the camera


It never made a mistake, only I make the mistakes

Nov 03, 2009 at 03:11 PM
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p.1 #5 · 5DMKII flaws, post pictures which were lost because of the camera


I didn't have any issues when I had my 5d2 for about 9 months. Sure I saw pattern noise, but only when I purposely increased the fill light in Lightroom, but I could do the same thing with my old 5D files.

Nov 03, 2009 at 03:11 PM
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p.1 #6 · 5DMKII flaws, post pictures which were lost because of the camera


Personally, I think the poor AF sensitivity and accuracy and speed of the 5D2 is more of an issue than the low ISO pattern noise. The inability to use the outer points is annoying too - for my low light purposes with fast primes, the 5D2 is essentially a 1 AF point camera...thank god for its excellent cropability.

Nov 03, 2009 at 03:14 PM
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p.1 #7 · 5DMKII flaws, post pictures which were lost because of the camera


A good image with proper exposure shouldn't be ruined in post unless the post processing is done by someone who doesn't know what they're doing. In the days of manual people had to deal with whatever came out the other end so complaining about banding etc is just because people have gotten used to the luxury of bumping up fill light etc.

This thread is pretty much flame bait, really.

Nov 03, 2009 at 03:15 PM
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A good image with proper exposure shouldn't be ruined in post unless the post processing is done by someone who doesn't know what they're doing. In the days of manual people had to deal with whatever came out the other end so complaining about banding etc is just because people have gotten used to the luxury of bumping up fill light etc.

This thread is pretty much flame bait, really.

Is 'manual' the new word for 'film' ?

Actually I hope the thread will fill up with people saying the same us me, that the 5D2 is a terrific camera with no image issues in actual printed use (I agree the focusing system is looking tired) and some of the ludicrous scaremongering that has gone on is just the web doing what it does, which is circulating misinformation like a sewer.

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Nov 03, 2009 at 03:19 PM
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p.1 #9 · 5DMKII flaws, post pictures which were lost because of the camera


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richhrly wrote:
A good image with proper exposure shouldn't be ruined in post unless the post processing is done by someone who doesn't know what they're doing. In the days of manual people had to deal with whatever came out the other end so complaining about banding etc is just because people have gotten used to the luxury of bumping up fill light etc.

This thread is pretty much flame bait, really.

Is 'manual' the new word for 'film' ?

Actually I hope the thread will fill up with people saying the same us me, that the 5D2 is a terrific camera with no image issues in actual printed use (I agree the focusing system is looking tired) and some of the ludicrous scaremongering that has gone on is just the web doing what it does, which is circulating misinformation like a sewer.


Yeah, I didn't word it particularly well.

I agree entirely, my 5D2 has been fantastic in my experience. I even don't mind the focusing system that much - at least it's better than my old 300D


Nov 03, 2009 at 03:27 PM
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the camera AF flaw or my skill?

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Nov 03, 2009 at 03:40 PM
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p.1 #11 · 5DMKII flaws, post pictures which were lost because of the camera


The thread s purpose of course is that we have a place to discuss problems of an excellent camera and offer solutions where possible. I am sick of people who jump in all threads with always the same irrelevant test shots.
At the same time I think with a new tool you always have to learn about limits and problems.

So far my 5D2 worked like a charm, I sometimes wish I could get a firmware upgrade for the photographer

Nov 03, 2009 at 03:42 PM
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p.1 #12 · 5DMKII flaws, post pictures which were lost because of the camera


Well the bucket looks sharp and that's almost over one of the corner AF points, and that is at f4 so I think the camera did it's job fine.

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p.1 #13 · 5DMKII flaws, post pictures which were lost because of the camera


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the camera AF flaw or my skill?

Maybe a wide angle lens would help

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p.1 #14 · 5DMKII flaws, post pictures which were lost because of the camera


I didn't hang on to shots that were 'ruined', I typically deleted them.

Nov 03, 2009 at 04:10 PM
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There must be dozens of threads on FM relating to this. Is a new one really needed?

Nov 03, 2009 at 04:21 PM
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p.1 #16 · 5DMKII flaws, post pictures which were lost because of the camera


My shots that were ruined never made it onto the card, because they were a result of the camera not being able to acquire focus in time therefore not captured... It is why I use my 1 series cameras for critical work, other than landscape/travel.

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Nov 03, 2009 at 04:41 PM
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p.1 #17 · 5DMKII flaws, post pictures which were lost because of the camera


Any digital image can be tortured into a ruin. My 5D II works fine. When I need the ultimate in reliability (mostly in AF but also in fault tolerance) I move up to the 1Ds line. It's prosumer quality vs professional quality in terms of market segmentation. I do not really see a scandal surrounding 5D II performance (as there was around the 1D3 focusing, for example).

Nov 03, 2009 at 04:54 PM
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versus 1Ds3:


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a crop to show how noise limits DR:


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Don't get me wrong - my 5D2's are really excellent cameras in many ways, and great value for money. But they aren't perfect, and the shadow noise does sometimes cause difficulties when I want to stretch dynamic range to the maximum.

Nov 03, 2009 at 05:02 PM
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p.1 #19 · 5DMKII flaws, post pictures which were lost because of the camera


Dawei Ye wrote:
Personally, I think the poor AF sensitivity and accuracy and speed of the 5D2 is more of an issue than the low ISO pattern noise. The inability to use the outer points is annoying too - for my low light purposes with fast primes, the 5D2 is essentially a 1 AF point camera...thank god for its excellent cropability.

I agree. I've been noticing how unreliable the outer AF points are on the 5D2. Have yet to see the banding issue on my own camera though.

Nov 03, 2009 at 06:33 PM
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p.1 #20 · 5DMKII flaws, post pictures which were lost because of the camera


Dawei Ye wrote:
Personally, I think the poor AF sensitivity and accuracy and speed of the 5D2 is more of an issue than the low ISO pattern noise. The inability to use the outer points is annoying too - for my low light purposes with fast primes, the 5D2 is essentially a 1 AF point camera...thank god for its excellent cropability.

The problem with this (excellent cropability) when shooting with fast primes is that this means you're losing control over DOF by changing your subject distance. I shoot with fast primes when I want shallow DOF, but the greatest variable (even more important than aperture) is subject distance. The more effective and accurate method, particularly when striving for shallow DOF, is to frame your subject as accurately as possible in-camera without cropping. Another strong reason the 5D2 stays in my bag for critical low light work.

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Nov 03, 2009 at 06:45 PM
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p.1 #21 · 5DMKII flaws, post pictures which were lost because of the camera


Something I was just considering...

I wonder if the pattern noise has anything at all to do with the lens you use? That seems like the one thing that will vary the most from user to user - which lens they are using.

Nov 03, 2009 at 07:26 PM
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p.1 #22 · 5DMKII flaws, post pictures which were lost because of the camera


Dawei Ye wrote:
Personally, I think the poor AF sensitivity and accuracy and speed of the 5D2 is more of an issue than the low ISO pattern noise. The inability to use the outer points is annoying too - for my low light purposes with fast primes, the 5D2 is essentially a 1 AF point camera...thank god for its excellent cropability.

I could not agree more. I was shooting some outdoor senior portraits over the weekend with my 5DII and mostly used a 70-200/2.8IS lens. While I usually use only the center AF point, the various poses lended themselves to using other AF points to maintain focus on the eyes without recomposing.

First, compared to my 1-series bodies I hate the 5D's goofy diamond layout of the AF points but that is another matter.

For a lot of the shots I used the AF point at 1 o'clock for landscape-orientation and the one at 4 o'clock for portrait-orientation shots. I was able to put these AF points smack-dab on the eyes and get a good focus lock in One-Shot.

Guess what? When I got back home a lot of these shots were soft, despite using f4.0 to f5.6. WTF? And it's not like other body parts were soft... it was the eyes. And yes, I have the assist points disabled.

I was able to salvage what I needed to but all in all it was very disappointing. Like I said, when using the center AF point I have no complaints but using the outer points for anything is a real crap shoot.



Nov 03, 2009 at 07:49 PM
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p.1 #23 · 5DMKII flaws, post pictures which were lost because of the camera


I was pretty bummed about this one. AF is not a strong point of the 5D2, although the center point is fairly capable.



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Nov 03, 2009 at 08:22 PM
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p.1 #24 · 5DMKII flaws, post pictures which were lost because of the camera


Brainiac, I dont want to make the MK2 look anything better than it is. Maybe there is a camera which could have done it better, I never said it was perfect, there are some limits and imperfections.

your first image of the boy: The image of the tools suggests you did some manipulation on the RGB setting, so we dont really know how many stops you pushed it here, which makes it some kind of difficult to answer to it. At least it seems that the shot was quite a bit underexposed and needs more processing than usual. One way to safe it, add some grain on the image, try not to push the shadows that much. Also the image is IMHO opinion still usable at a normal print size, like 20x30, which is quite good for an underexposed event photograph in dim light.

I dont see a problem with image 2 and 3. The dynamic range is limited. The problem has always been the same and I dont feel like telling you how to compose your shots to not run into this problem with DR. Some people might use HDR for it, I dont like it.

4, again the image is fine, there is no need to push up the shadows like in 5 and 6. It demonstrates the limit of the 5DII, but not an image which is lost because of the camera and it also shows that the 1Ds3 is not really better. Am I wrong in saying that the second crop has a bit more detail in the shadows.

I agree with you on the last pictures, they show how noise limits DR. The 100% crop looks not to bad though. Snapshots against the sun is like spitting against the wind Lastolite TripGrip Reflector may offer a solution.


Nov 03, 2009 at 08:51 PM
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p.1 #25 · 5DMKII flaws, post pictures which were lost because of the camera


Greg Schneider wrote:
I was pretty bummed about this one. AF is not a strong point of the 5D2, although the center point is fairly capable.


BIF seems not to be the forte of the 5D

Nov 03, 2009 at 08:55 PM




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