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Archive 2009 · Clarification

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p.2 #1 · Clarification

Well I suppose it's a good thing in one sense that at least you are coming on here and asking advice so you clearly have a desire to improve.

If you want actual advice then probably best post -

Lens used.
Examples of 'blur' etc with exif data embedded so we can see your settings and diagnose what went wrong.

Yes you may get slated but I'm sure a few folk will offer constructive advice (most of the stuff above is spot on)

Seriously though - you need to accept that you are about 1% down the road to charging someone for your services - you need to get a basic understanding of exposure/available light/ISO etc etc before you start fiddling away with settings. It sounds like you would have been better off sticking it on auto and letting the camera decide.

Nov 01, 2009 at 05:27 PM

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p.2 #2 · Clarification

Hope this would not be an insult. My only advice is to learn the basics before even shooting one's wedding.

Nov 01, 2009 at 05:35 PM

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p.2 #3 · Clarification

Wow you guys are pretty hard core. The wedding is over, someone needed help and the righteous police are coming out of the corners waving their batons. I know now to keep my questions in PMs.

Nov 01, 2009 at 06:54 PM

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p.2 #4 · Clarification

^ I didn't see anything particularly hardcore posted here.

I think any group of professionals would have reacted similarly. No one likes to see someone pissing in the pool.

Also, I think her post touched a nerve. The 'Its easy being a photographer! I wanna make buckets of money on this simple trade!" nerve.

Nov 01, 2009 at 07:05 PM

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p.2 #5 · Clarification

I think that once the OP said that they weren't being paid and they weren't the only photographer (not sure if this meant more uncle bobs or a paid pro) I think it was pretty constructive.

There is not much more that can be said after 'learn the basics' to the original post.

Nov 01, 2009 at 07:13 PM

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p.2 #6 · Clarification

Sounds like you were in AV mode. The flash is in fill only mode -- the camera attempts to properly expose for ambient. This is not the camera's fault... you need to learn how to use it. I'm not trying to insult you, nor does your post bother me... I'm trying to give you a hint where to look to remedy your troubles.

For the record... this is, more or less, a professional wedding community here. You are apparently not a wedding professional. Your question probably would have received a better response if asked in a different forum.

Good luck to you and feel free to PM me if you want to discuss this further.

Nov 01, 2009 at 07:17 PM

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p.2 #7 · Clarification

@CarminaF:

Group of professionals? If that's the case, then maybe FM should make it a requirement for no one to post here unless they are a self-titled professional?

@Lucky_Dog

Maybe the forum is for what anyone wants to make it...so long as the topic is "wedding"??

Just a thought.

Hmm, this is what I've been warned about.

Nov 01, 2009 at 08:42 PM

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p.2 #8 · Clarification

JazzyMac wrote:
@CarminaF:

Group of professionals? If that's the case, then maybe FM should make it a requirement for no one to post here unless they are a self-titled professional?

@Lucky_Dog

Maybe the forum is for what anyone wants to make it...so long as the topic is "wedding"??

Just a thought.

Hmm, this is what I've been warned about.

Did you have a point? Would you like to buy one? I'm a pro and here to help...........

Nov 01, 2009 at 08:47 PM

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p.2 #9 · Clarification

Ok then, Jazzy.

I would consider it the OP's responsibility to figure out who is active in the forum they are posting in, and then make a decision about posting there. She probably should have posted in a beginners forum. There are not many 'camera basics' threads here for a reason.

If I wanted to tell someone about my failure attempting to fix someones car, I would not choose a forum full of licensed mechanics to do it.

Nov 01, 2009 at 08:51 PM

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If the OP really wanted to improve I think they'd have thanked everyone for their spot-on feedback instead of removing the post like a baby.

My 2 cents: Judging by your cheap camera body, I'm going to make a guess that you were using a cheap kit lens. The major benefit of high-end lenses (sharpness, quick and accurate focus, IS, color/contrast and other things aside) is the large wide-open apertures they offer. I'm going to guess you were trying to shoot in a church at f/3.5-f/4.5, and at even the highest ISOs on your camera, that's going to be hard to get a suitable shutter speed without totally overpowering ambient with your flash.

Here's the thing - you probably have no idea what I'm talking about. And -that- is the root problem. The problem is not the camera. Any professional could get good enough shots with the worst equipment if we had to, because we know how to get the best from whatever equipment we use. The problem is that you don't know what you're doing, as evidenced by your 'trying every possible setting' - here's a little clue, there's 4 different variables you should need to use to get good shots: aperture, shutter speed, ISO, and flash exposure compensation. That's about it...

I'm glad to hear that you didn't charge for this wedding and that there was another photographer there, but if you're going to learn anything you need to read some books and practice, practice, practice. Reading alone isn't enough, you're going to need to apply what you read to really get it and then eventually it will become second nature.

Nov 01, 2009 at 09:00 PM

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CarminaF wrote:
Ok then, Jazzy.

I would consider it the OP's responsibility to figure out who is active in the forum they are posting in, and then make a decision about posting there. She probably should have posted in a beginners forum. There are not many 'camera basics' threads here for a reason.

If I wanted to tell someone about my failure attempting to fix someones car, I would not choose a forum full of licensed mechanics to do it.

Why not? Why not ask the best for their input? You would ask beginner mechanics? That's not logical at all. Everyone started somewhere...high horse unnecessary.

Nov 01, 2009 at 09:03 PM

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TTLKurtis wrote:
If the OP really wanted to improve I think they'd have thanked everyone for their spot-on feedback instead of removing the post like a baby.

My 2 cents: Judging by your cheap camera body, I'm going to make a guess that you were using a cheap kit lens. The major benefit of high-end lenses (sharpness, quick and accurate focus, IS, color/contrast and other things aside) is the large wide-open apertures they offer. I'm going to guess you were trying to shoot in a church at f/3.5-f/4.5, and at even the highest ISOs on your camera, that's going to be hard to get a suitable shutter speed without totally overpowering ambient with your flash.

Here's the thing - you probably have no idea what I'm talking about.

And this is what I'm talking about.

Nov 01, 2009 at 09:07 PM

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p.2 #13 · Clarification

JazzyMac wrote:
CarminaF wrote:
Ok then, Jazzy.

I would consider it the OP's responsibility to figure out who is active in the forum they are posting in, and then make a decision about posting there. She probably should have posted in a beginners forum. There are not many 'camera basics' threads here for a reason.

If I wanted to tell someone about my failure attempting to fix someones car, I would not choose a forum full of licensed mechanics to do it.

Why not? Why not ask the best for their input? You would ask beginner mechanics? That's not logical at all. Everyone started somewhere...high horse unnecessary.

Nov 01, 2009 at 09:11 PM

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p.2 #14 · Clarification

TTLKurtis wrote:
a bunch of stuff that is bang-on

Yes indeedy.

Nov 01, 2009 at 09:18 PM

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p.2 #15 · Clarification

TTLKurtis wrote:
JazzyMac wrote:
CarminaF wrote:
Ok then, Jazzy.

I would consider it the OP's responsibility to figure out who is active in the forum they are posting in, and then make a decision about posting there. She probably should have posted in a beginners forum. There are not many 'camera basics' threads here for a reason.

If I wanted to tell someone about my failure attempting to fix someones car, I would not choose a forum full of licensed mechanics to do it.

Why not? Why not ask the best for their input? You would ask beginner mechanics? That's not logical at all. Everyone started somewhere...high horse unnecessary.

Here's why... because professionals don't like when amateurs try to steal business from them when they don't even respect 'whatever-it-is' enough to do a little of the legwork for themselves. You don't go to a mechanic shop and say "Hey pal, can you teach me how to swap out my engine? Oh, and I need to rebuild the new one. I've tried everything I could to get it running, and I think I may have broken off a flux capacitor."

And you can roll your eyes all you want, but everyone else here knows I'm right. Granted, he could be using expensive L-glass, but that just makes him look even worse. Nobody likes a troll, JazzyMac.

Sometimes people don't know what questions to ask. There is no note attached to the camera boxes saying, "Don't take any pictures unless you are a bonafied professional!!!"

Like I said, everyone starts somewhere.

Are you seriously saying that the OP stole business from someone on FM? If you are, then there are bigger problems here. No matter what you (or I) think, people who don't want to spend money....won't spend money!!! She explained her situation, I'm just shocked at the self-righteous responses is all.

No, I don't like trolls either. Rolling eyes smiley stays.

A real professional is secure enough in their status without having to put others down, literally or implied. There is nothing in this forum that states "Only for professionals". GAL

Nov 01, 2009 at 09:26 PM

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I would suggest the the OP start by learning basic camera functions (as was suggested). The library is full of books. I started somewhere, it was by reading and by doing. The interwebz came later.

None one here is on a salary, no one here is expected to 'teach' someone. I'm personally not in a big hurry to spell it out for someone who doesn't care enough to figure out the basics for themself.

Nov 01, 2009 at 09:32 PM

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p.2 #17 · Clarification

So what I'm seeing is, "Don't post here until we feel you're good enough?" I'm not sure this is what this website was made for. I think it was made for amateurs and professionals alike to learn, befriend, and have a sense of community in a common subject. Photography.

The clique that I'm seeing here is not what I feel this website is about. My two cents only.

Someone is frustrated, asks for help, and this is what they get. Lovely.

One can learn the basics by asking questions if they feel that's how they want to learn. If you don't want to answer, don't post!!!

Nov 01, 2009 at 09:36 PM

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p.2 #18 · Clarification

Hey, don't put words into anyone's mouth.

People with a sincere desire to learn do well here. If the OP had a sincere desire to learn, they would have bucked up and done what the posters here suggested. Instead the OP deleted the post (in a defensive posture). Not the best way to learn or gain respect of people who are in a position to give helpful feedback.

Nov 01, 2009 at 09:40 PM

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JazzyMac wrote:
So what I'm seeing is, "Don't post here until we feel you're good enough?" I'm not sure this is what this website was made for. I think it was made for amateurs and professionals alike to learn, befriend, and have a sense of community in a common subject. Photography.

The clique that I'm seeing here is not what I feel this website is about. My two cents only.

Someone is frustrated, asks for help, and this is what they get. Lovely.

One can learn the basics by asking questions if they feel that's how they want to learn. If you don't want to answer, don't post!!!

Did you have one single comment even remotely wedding related? Did you have anything at all to offer the OP? Or.... are you simply trolling on a Sunday afternoon looking for a fight? Kinda pathetic, IMO.

Nov 01, 2009 at 09:42 PM

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no one is discouraging amateurs from posting. in fact, some of the most talented folks on here are amateurs (or began posting when they were just starting out.) but the ability to accept feedback is just part of the responsibility of being a forum member.

the issue is not 'do you make money taking pictures' or 'for how long' or 'at what level' - but that this forum is not the place for an in depth discussion on "what is exposure?"

there are plenty of places to learn how to take a picture - they were suggested. the fact that the OP didn't make any effort to gather a clue about the forum before posting, and then copped an attitude about "being insulted" didn't help his/her cause at all.

some people around here are terrific. some are bastards. to base your judgment of the entire forum on one lame thread is silly.

Nov 01, 2009 at 09:46 PM

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