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p.1 #1 · Zeiss 21mm ZE vs. Nikon 14-24mm


Today I tested my new Zeiss 21mm ZE against my Nikon 14-24mm. This was just a test of the sharpness of the lenses. Other aspects like CA, colors, flare etc. were not tested. The aim of this test was to check, whether my new 21mm ZE lens has any faults.
The test-object was the side-wall of my house. The test was done with a Canon 5D II on a Gitzo series 5 tripod with a Burzynski head, mirror lock-up and manual focus with 10x live view on the wall at the center of the image. All pictures were shot in raw at ISO 100, converted with LR with the sharping parameters (50, 0.7, 100), contrast set to +75 and then exported to jpg with 100% quality. The Nikon zoom was adapted to the 5D II with a 16-9-adapter V2.

Summary:
The Zeiss 21mm has a much stronger vignetting until f/5.6 compared to the 14-24mm lens. The Zeiss has avery good sharpness between f/2.8 and f/8.0 (peak performance between f/4.0 and f/8.0). From f/11 the performance is reduced due diffraction (f/22 is very bad and in my opinion not useable at all). Between f/5.6 and f/16 the Nikon Zoom has nearly the same sharpness. At f/2.8 and f/4.0 the Zeiss is slightly better in the corners. At f/22 the Nikon is much better than the Zeiss (allthough the sharpness is also reduced at these apertures due to diffraction).
Both are very good lenses and I will keep both.

Best regards,

Boris

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21mm ZE @4.0:


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21mm ZE @5.6:


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21mm ZE @8.0:


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21mm ZE @11:


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21mm ZE @16:


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Oct 31, 2009 at 11:07 PM
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p.1 #2 · Zeiss 21mm ZE vs. Nikon 14-24mm


These are 100% crops of the center:

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21mm ZE @4.0:


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Oct 31, 2009 at 11:20 PM
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p.1 #3 · Zeiss 21mm ZE vs. Nikon 14-24mm


Amazing feat for the zoom to be in the same ballpark as the Zeiss.

Oct 31, 2009 at 11:20 PM
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p.1 #4 · Zeiss 21mm ZE vs. Nikon 14-24mm


These are 100% crops of the lower left corner (since i focused on the wall, some of the grass is out of focus at the larger apertures):

21mm ZE @2.8:


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If you are interested how the 14-24mm compares to the 17mm TS-E, the 24mm TS-E II and the 24-70mm L you can find my tests here:

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/787618/0?keyword=14-24,vs.#7240645

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/808843/0?keyword=14-24,vs.#7472281

Best regards,

Boris

Oct 31, 2009 at 11:35 PM
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p.1 #5 · Zeiss 21mm ZE vs. Nikon 14-24mm


21 zeiss has too much vignetting =( guess i gotta get a 24TSE II

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Nov 01, 2009 at 12:45 AM
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p.1 #6 · Zeiss 21mm ZE vs. Nikon 14-24mm


Two world class lenses - elbow to elbow. I believe the 14-24 is optimized for the wide end - just goes to show how nice that lens really is - keeping up with one of the best primes. The Zeiss contrast is a little stronger - could change that around in post for the zoom. The only downside I see to the Zeiss is the center distortion (not shown in this test) - don't want to shoot any straight lines with that lens.

Boris, Thanks for your time posting these.

Nov 01, 2009 at 01:37 AM
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p.1 #7 · Zeiss 21mm ZE vs. Nikon 14-24mm


Awesome test!! Thanks! I may just keep my Nikon and forgo the ZE21...

Nov 01, 2009 at 06:51 AM
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p.1 #8 · Zeiss 21mm ZE vs. Nikon 14-24mm


Wow, the Zeiss also renders a much cooler image. That vigneting is pretty poor on the Zeiss. The Nikon is so good for a zoom it's hard to ignore. Canon Canon's possible offering (see the patent thread) match the Nikon? I bet they'll be using it as their benchmark.

Nov 01, 2009 at 07:06 AM
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p.1 #9 · Zeiss 21mm ZE vs. Nikon 14-24mm


Bobu wrote:
Today I tested my new Zeiss 21mm ZE against my Nikon 14-24mm. This was just a test of the sharpness of the lenses. Other aspects like CA, colors, flare etc. were not tested.


Understood. However the old 21 mm f/2.8 Distagon had much less lateral CA than the Nikkor 14-24 mm. I suspect the new one isn't quite as good as the original in that regard, though awfully close. Certainly better than the Nikkor zoom. It would be interesting to see a CA comparison.

Bobu wrote:
Summary:
The Zeiss 21mm has a much stronger vignetting until f/5.6 compared to the 14-24mm lens. The Zeiss has avery good sharpness between f/2.8 and f/8.0 (peak performance between f/4.0 and f/8.0). From f/11 the performance is reduced due diffraction (f/22 is very bad and in my opinion not useable at all). Between f/5.6 and f/16 the Nikon Zoom has nearly the same sharpness. At f/2.8 and f/4.0 the Zeiss is slightly better in the corners. At f/22 the Nikon is much better than the Zeiss (allthough the sharpness is also reduced at these apertures due to diffraction).


The effects of diffraction can't be avoided, so if one lens looks much better than another it's likely using a different f-stop. In this case your Nikon shot had a shutter speed of 1/13th while the Zeiss had 1/8th, yet the images are similarly bright. That suggests the Zeiss correctly stopped down to f/22, while the Nikkor did not, for whatever reason.

Thanks for the test, by the way. From what I've seen from these lenses, it's clear to me that the Zeiss is sharper in the centre and much shaper at the corners at f/2.8, but suffers from higher light fall-off at the edges (aggravated by today's digital sensors - see below). At f/5.6 the Zeiss is probably a fair bit sharper too, but the Nikkor is so good that we don't see a big difference on a 21-megapixel full-frame sensor. I would guess though, that the Distagon will leave the others trailing in its wake when we hit 50-megapixel sensors and beyond.

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Wow, the Zeiss also renders a much cooler image. That vigneting is pretty poor on the Zeiss. The Nikon is so good for a zoom it's hard to ignore. Canon Canon's possible offering (see the patent thread) match the Nikon? I bet they'll be using it as their benchmark.


The Zeiss isn't much cooler: the centre crops actually show the Zeiss being very slightly redder, with the Nikon greener. But the differences are tiny. The colour cast in the corner of the Zeiss image is down to the Canon 5D Mark II's sensor not coping well with non-perpendicular light rays (film doesn't have this problem, of course). The lens didn't project those colours.

I don't know enough about sensor design to know if we're likely to get rid of this problem in the future (maybe at the expense of sensitivity by redesigning or eliminating the micro-lenses). For now though, the Nikkor zoom obviously requires less post-processing (i.e. none) to get even colour rendition across the frame.

Nov 02, 2009 at 12:36 AM
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p.1 #10 · Zeiss 21mm ZE vs. Nikon 14-24mm


mMontag wrote:
The only downside I see to the Zeiss is the center distortion (not shown in this test) - don't want to shoot any straight lines with that lens.


What center distortion are you refering to?!

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p.1 #11 · Zeiss 21mm ZE vs. Nikon 14-24mm


I'd buy the Nikkor if it accepted filters.

EBH

Nov 02, 2009 at 01:03 AM
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p.1 #12 · Zeiss 21mm ZE vs. Nikon 14-24mm


globalkiwi,

I don't have the 21mm - most of the web posted images with that lens are of landscape subject - but of the Architectural or common straight featured images I've seen does show what is referred to as the "mustache distortion".

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/822406

Nov 02, 2009 at 04:12 AM
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p.1 #13 · Zeiss 21mm ZE vs. Nikon 14-24mm


mMontag, I don't own it either - so we're on the same terrain there. My understanding was the strength of this lens was landscape (or at least that was the reason I was interested in it) - but any super-wide angle has problems reproducing the super straight lines of architecture, no?

Nov 02, 2009 at 05:29 AM
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p.1 #14 · Zeiss 21mm ZE vs. Nikon 14-24mm


The 21 Zeiss would be great for landscapes, but the distortion could be problem for architecture.

See the bottom step in philber's example from that thread:



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This would be difficult to fix in post. Most wides don't have such a complicated distortion and are easier to fix.

Nov 02, 2009 at 06:04 AM
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p.1 #15 · Zeiss 21mm ZE vs. Nikon 14-24mm


Thanks, I remember the thread & actually, I thought that kind of distortion in wides was pretty common - regardless, I think if architecture was your intended target, a TS-E would be a better bet. I'm interested in this lens for landscapes (on a 5D II) - for which I think it seems ideal.

Nov 02, 2009 at 06:14 AM
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p.1 #16 · Zeiss 21mm ZE vs. Nikon 14-24mm


Surprisingly the 14mm f/2.8L II I have is well corrected for distortion, I'm sure my 35L has more barrel distortion than the 14LII

Nov 02, 2009 at 06:18 AM
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p.1 #17 · Zeiss 21mm ZE vs. Nikon 14-24mm


globalkiwi wrote:
Thanks, I remember the thread & actually, I thought that kind of distortion in wides was pretty common - regardless, I think if architecture was your intended target, a TS-E would be a better bet. I'm interested in this lens for landscapes (on a 5D II) - for which I think it seems ideal.


Yep, for landscapes it would be awesome.

Nov 02, 2009 at 06:28 AM
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p.1 #18 · Zeiss 21mm ZE vs. Nikon 14-24mm


SKumar25 wrote:
The 21 Zeiss would be great for landscapes, but the distortion could be problem for architecture.

See the bottom step in philber's example from that thread:



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This would be difficult to fix in post. Most wides don't have such a complicated distortion and are easier to fix.


You mean like this:








Nov 02, 2009 at 12:35 PM
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p.1 #19 · Zeiss 21mm ZE vs. Nikon 14-24mm


You need my permission to improve my shots, Andrew! Off the record: well done!

Nov 02, 2009 at 02:16 PM
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p.1 #20 · Zeiss 21mm ZE vs. Nikon 14-24mm


Here you go, its the best $25 you'll ever spend:

http://epaperpress.com/ptlens/index.html

Nov 02, 2009 at 10:30 PM
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