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I think you have everyone confused. In your 1st few posts, it seems as though you were comparing the price of a new 1D3 to the price of a used 1D3.

BTW, if someone wants to sell their 1D3 for $2,300, they will need to do so in the near future.... because after the 1D4 is fully released, the 1D3's will likely push under that price and perhaps closer to $2,000 or even less for well used bodies, which is when I plan to swoop in and get a heck of a deal on a perfectly functioning one with 50k+ clicks.

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Yes, I was completely lost until I realized that the OP was not comparing the price of a new 1D3 to a used 1D3. The phrase "They selling it for $2,300/2,400 and the new one is around $5,000.00" doesn't specify what the new one is. In the absence of saying "1DMIV" its reasonable to assume that the OP meant 1DMIII, which is not the case.

How does the price of the 1DMK4 matter? The new price of a 1DMK3 is 3,500 or so. This is the "new" price that drives the price of a used 1DMK3. If the "new" price of a 1DMK3 was under $3000 the price for a "used" 1DMK3 would be under $2000.

Oct 30, 2009 at 11:14 PM

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p.2 #2 · Killing the 1D mark III

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I thought i was looking for the IV

I got the III already, and for me to sale t for $2,300.00 to buy the new one for $5,000.00 i dont think so

I will wait for the Mark 6

Since when is buying any kind of mass produced camera an investment? Everyone knows cameras will drop in value and digital cameras even faster. Really, if this is what you are concerned about, you should have done more research and realized that due to the III's tarnished reputation, resale value for this camera will likely drop faster than previous 1D models.

By the time you wait for the Mark VI, your III will be worth <$500 and the VI will probably be introduced at around the $5K price point, as all 1D cameras have (give or take $500). Then you'll have to scrape together almost $5K... My advice would be to get a lightly used Mark V.

Oct 30, 2009 at 11:15 PM

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epphoto wrote:
Why people killing the camera at buy and sale forum
They selling it for $2,300/2,400 and the new one is around $5,000.00
Very stupid if you ask me for such of good camera

Funny, people has always assumed new cam is twice as good as the older one.

Oct 30, 2009 at 11:18 PM

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mttran wrote:
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Why people killing the camera at buy and sale forum
They selling it for $2,300/2,400 and the new one is around $5,000.00
Very stupid if you ask me for such of good camera

Funny, people has always assumed new cam is twice as good as the older one.

That is until next RG report ...

Oct 30, 2009 at 11:19 PM

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p.2 #5 · Killing the 1D mark III

Pure and simple, if you love your 1D III so much, no one is forcing you to sell. As for other people, they can do whatever they want. If you are not selling your 1D III, why worry about it. You mean your used 1D III worth more somehow? You can value it at $4500, but it's up to the buyers to decide how much they want to pay.

Oct 30, 2009 at 11:21 PM

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Meanwhile, in XXD camera land the previous one is always superior to the latest one. I can't wait for the 60D to come out so people will start appreciating the 50D.

Oct 30, 2009 at 11:24 PM

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p.2 #7 · Killing the 1D mark III

pingflood wrote:
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epphoto wrote:
Why people killing the camera at buy and sale forum
They selling it for $2,300/2,400 and the new one is around $5,000.00
Very stupid if you ask me for such of good camera

Funny, people has always assumed new cam is twice as good as the older one.

Meanwhile, in XXD camera land the previous one is always superior to the latest one. I can't wait for the 60D to come out so people will start appreciating the 50D.

Anyone think there might not be another xxD camera now that the 7D is here?

Oct 30, 2009 at 11:34 PM

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p.2 #8 · Killing the 1D mark III

rscheffler wrote:
Since when is buying any kind of mass produced camera an investment? Everyone knows cameras will drop in value and digital cameras even faster. Really, if this is what you are concerned about, you should have done more research and realized that due to the III's tarnished reputation, resale value for this camera will likely drop faster than previous 1D models.

+1
I remember paying $1500 (plus tax) for a 10D in 2003...I still have it and it still works great but it's NOT worth $1500 anymore.

Omar

Oct 31, 2009 at 12:20 AM

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p.2 #9 · Killing the 1D mark III

The market sets the price... basic supply and demand.

Oct 31, 2009 at 12:31 AM

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The OP is right that price is the 1D3 is getting killed. I think people are comparing way too many different price points and part of the blame is Canon changing the pricing on this camera so drastically. Previously, the two comparisons where simply: The price of the new model, and the price of the old at it's Release Date. The used price was mostly based upon those factors minus condition of the unit. The confusing part is when Canon lowers the price so drastically. Now, the 40D was NOT dropped 40% when the 50D was announced, was it?. ...As for the used market, the 1D2n was not as low as the 1D3 is now at the same time in it's product cycle when it's just about to be replaced. Taking in historical price drops when looking at the used market trends, the 1D3 is taking a drastic hit.

Canon may not realize this but the farther down they allow the 1D3 to be sold at retail the more they are going to hurt the 1D4 sales. Companies have in the past just taken them back from retailers to either sell them to corporations at a discount or destroy them so they don't kill their own market at retail.

Oct 31, 2009 at 12:44 AM

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p.2 #11 · Killing the 1D mark III

omarlyn wrote:
rscheffler wrote:
Since when is buying any kind of mass produced camera an investment? Everyone knows cameras will drop in value and digital cameras even faster. Really, if this is what you are concerned about, you should have done more research and realized that due to the III's tarnished reputation, resale value for this camera will likely drop faster than previous 1D models.

+1
I remember paying $1500 (plus tax) for a 10D in 2003...I still have it and it still works great but it's NOT worth $1500 anymore.

Omar

No, but it wasn't worth only $750 in 10/2004 when the 20D was released. It was worth probably closer to $1200. That's the OP's point, that your 10D didn't drop nearly 50% when the 20D hit the shelves. The 1D3 is taking a hit that hasn't been seen before.

Oct 31, 2009 at 12:46 AM

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The OP is right that price is the 1D3 is getting killed. I think people are comparing way too many different price points and part of the blame is Canon changing the pricing on this camera so drastically. Previously, the two comparisons where simply: The price of the new model, and the price of the old at it's Release Date. The used price was mostly based upon those factors minus condition of the unit. The confusing part is when Canon lowers the price so drastically. Now, the 40D was NOT dropped 40% when the 50D was announced, was it?. ...As for the used market, the 1D2n was not as low as the 1D3 is now at the same time in it's product cycle when it's just about to be replaced. Taking in historical price drops when looking at the used market trends, the 1D3 is taking a drastic hit.

Canon may not realize this but the farther down they allow the 1D3 to be sold at retail the more they are going to hurt the 1D4 sales. Companies have in the past just taken them back from retailers to either sell them to corporations at a discount or destroy them so they don't kill their own market at retail.

I'm with you in this one

Oct 31, 2009 at 12:48 AM

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p.2 #13 · Killing the 1D mark III

brad_s:
As for the used market, the 1D2n was not as low as the 1D3 is now at the same time in it's product cycle when it's just about to be replaced.

Actually it was. The price of a new 1D mkIIN, after the introduction of 1D mkIII, was $3300. Interestingly, a few weeks after the introduction of 1D mkIII, the price of a mint, used 1D mkIIN, went up to $2700 (or sometimes even higher). The lowest price of new 1D mkII was $2800 in Jan 2008.
A refurbished 1D mkIII is selling for $2650 these days.

Oct 31, 2009 at 12:56 AM

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p.2 #14 · Killing the 1D mark III

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A refurbished 1D mkIII is selling for $2650 these days.

Where? I have a credit card ready!

Oct 31, 2009 at 01:15 AM

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p.2 #15 · Killing the 1D mark III

brad_s wrote:
No, but it wasn't worth only $750 in 10/2004 when the 20D was released. It was worth probably closer to $1200. That's the OP's point, that your 10D didn't drop nearly 50% when the 20D hit the shelves. The 1D3 is taking a hit that hasn't been seen before.

You mean like my $3000 5D (Orig price $3200) that sold for $1400 right after the 5DMK2 was announced.

Oct 31, 2009 at 01:17 AM

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p.2 #16 · Killing the 1D mark III

jerrykur:
Where? I have a credit card ready!

It was on B&H Used a couple of days ago and last week as well. Check this

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?ci=15488&N=4294182649+4291570227

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Oct 31, 2009 at 01:20 AM

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p.2 #17 · Killing the 1D mark III

That's normal for B&H
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Oct 31, 2009 at 01:23 AM

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p.2 #18 · Killing the 1D mark III

jerrykur wrote:
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You mean like my $3000 5D (Orig price $3200) that sold for $1400 right after the 5DMK2 was announced.

On the other hand, Adorama is asking $1800 for a refurbished 5D

http://www.adorama.com/ICA5DR.html?searchinfo=5d

and refurbished 5d cameras were selling for $1500-1725 on e-bay recently.

The lowest price for a new 5D was ~$1850 (Dec 2008).

Oct 31, 2009 at 01:25 AM

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mfurman wrote:
jerrykur wrote:
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You mean like my $3000 5D (Orig price $3200) that sold for $1400 right after the 5DMK2 was announced.

On the other hand, Adorama is asking $1800 for a refurbished 5D

http://www.adorama.com/ICA5DR.html?searchinfo=5d

and refurbished 5d cameras were selling for $1500-1725 on e-bay recently.

The lowest price for a new 5D was ~$1850 (Dec 2008).

I suspect people are willing to pay a bunch more for a refurbished unit with warranty. I know I would.

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Oct 31, 2009 at 01:58 AM

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Oct 31, 2009 at 03:49 AM

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p.2 #21 · Killing the 1D mark III

jerrykur wrote:
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No, but it wasn't worth only $750 in 10/2004 when the 20D was released. It was worth probably closer to $1200. That's the OP's point, that your 10D didn't drop nearly 50% when the 20D hit the shelves. The 1D3 is taking a hit that hasn't been seen before.

You mean like my $3000 5D (Orig price $3200) that sold for $1400 right after the 5DMK2 was announced.

Ok, I suppose I stand corrected.

Oct 31, 2009 at 05:11 AM

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jerrykur wrote:
pingflood wrote:
mttran wrote:
epphoto wrote:
Why people killing the camera at buy and sale forum
They selling it for $2,300/2,400 and the new one is around $5,000.00
Very stupid if you ask me for such of good camera

Funny, people has always assumed new cam is twice as good as the older one.

Meanwhile, in XXD camera land the previous one is always superior to the latest one. I can't wait for the 60D to come out so people will start appreciating the 50D.

Anyone think there might not be another xxD camera now that the 7D is here?

I thought that at first but it is positioned well between the Rebel series and the 7d. There is enough difference in price to justify it's existence (at the moment). I don't think you'll see a 60D for quite some time though.

Oct 31, 2009 at 05:13 AM

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Xandervt wrote:
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The 7D is likely also driving down used 1D mark III prices.

I chose a 7D over a used 1D mark III. I am focal length constrained and like the crop-ability of the 7D and the nice IQ.

I have the 1d3 and one thing for sure. The IQ from a 7d isn't as the 1d3. Lots of posts here prove that .

Completely different cam's try both and you will see the difference. Like a mercedes E class compared tot a ford focus. The focus isn't bad but the a completely other car than the E-class.

Personally I think the auto focus issue, what absolutely was a negative issue gives the 1d3 such a bad name that all good things were shadowed. I've got the 1d3 for about 3 months and it's a very good tool. Fast, sharp focus, punchy true colors. Much much better then my 30d who was very acceptable.

Like an E-Class compared to a Ford Focus? Hardly. More like a BMW 5-Series compared to an M3.

Oct 31, 2009 at 05:24 AM

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p.2 #24 · Killing the 1D mark III

Rats are to Sinking ships as Photographers are to 1D3s.

I'll be keeping an eye out for a cheap 1D3 in good condition.

Oct 31, 2009 at 05:55 AM

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p.2 #25 · Killing the 1D mark III

Or should everybody keep it just because you like the price to stay high

And the price for a new is not $ 5000. I payed about $ 3400 and that was 1½ year ago.
It's not an investment, just a tool you use in photography

Oct 31, 2009 at 07:47 AM


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